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And will all of that be obainable if the Population of the World keeps increasing?
Or?
Will some of the events professed by some of the Religius Groups come about and reduce the World to the point that only a cetain amount of people will
be able to Survive?
A very interesting Point Gingorio.
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Greenpeace and heavy metals
Quote: | Originally posted by bajarich
I was curious about my mercury level and when I returned to Salt Lake and, in April there was a free mercury screening sponsored by Greenpeace. They
were trying to correlate mercury levels with environmental sources. I was more interested in just finding out about my particular mercury level.
When I got my results, I found that I had about 10 times the mercury in by body than my wife who has been spending only two weeks per winter with me.
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The mercury testing that Greenpeace advocated also showed a wife that had very little mercury in her system. So where's the agenda? An unbiased
clinical examination that accurately shows the amount of heavy metal in someone. I see nothing devious about that.
I'm not an expert on heavy metals but I did meet someone who was incapacitated with lead poisoning. This fellow fisherman looked like hunchback. His
entire spine was bent downward. How did he get that way, I asked. Well, he picked up the lead from a boat he was working on in the Bahamas in some
boatyard. Just the dust from the sanding I guess had gotten into his system. Here in Half Moon Bay there are several boatyards where people are
building their dreamboats and I know of no one that has had a similar occurence. I think that heavy metals affect people in different ways. They make
some real sick while others have a constitution that seems to be tolerant to them.
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mercury
The expression "Mad as a hatter." is from the folks who processed beaver fur for hats and absorbed mercury into their systems. I don't know about the
levels involved, but I would certainly be inclined to choose erring on the side of caution where my sanity is at stake.
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Quote: | Originally posted by tehag
The expression "Mad as a hatter." is from the folks who processed beaver fur for hats and absorbed mercury into their systems. I don't know about the
levels involved, but I would certainly be inclined to choose erring on the side of caution where my sanity is at stake. |
Since the local fishermen probably eat a lot of their catch, they would be the local equivalent of the old hatters.
Anyone noticed any panga operators acting a little crazy 
or should I say crazier than usual?
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Yea, Skeet , good point. The population thing is a big deal, especially when nations strive to live the lifestyle we do in the US and other first
world countries. Strange though, it seems to me that a lot of what scientists, environmentalists, and governments do (or are only able to do) is
address the symptoms of over population: pollution, dis-ease, over consumption etc. - and never really directly face over population as the point
from which many of our other problems arise.
But, I'm too tired right now to think of solutions ... 
Quote: | Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
And will all of that be obainable if the Population of the World keeps increasing?
Or?
Will some of the events professed by some of the Religius Groups come about and reduce the World to the point that only a cetain amount of people will
be able to Survive?
A very interesting Point Gingorio.
Skeet |
[Edited on 2-24-2006 by gringorio]
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Greg, that photo is funny! I googled them and found their website. If anyone is interested, here it is:
Voluntary Human Extinction Movement
Glad to see they help clean up litter in Arizona! 
You never know what you're going to find on the Nomad board!
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David K
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Quote: | Originally posted by capn.sharky
David K. Sierra Mackeral are the same as Sierra. The Sierra is a smaller (much smaller) version of the Wahoo. Tastes about the same to me. Very
good in tacos or ensalada. Great little fighters on light tackle but watch out for their teeth. They (like the wahoo) have razors for teeth.
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Thanks Sharky... then there is a 'bigger' mackeral which has dark, less than desirable meat, I presume?
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Quote: | Originally posted by sancho
What's with the anti Greenpeace sentiment?
This coming from some of the Old Baja Hands
including The Patriarch, you guys also
against the Surfrider Foundation?
These stewards of the oceans who make
an attempt at preserving whales, trying to
reduce drift nets, longlines other
indescrimate fishing methods, you fellows
who claim to love Baja, does that
not include the water around it?
Who's your next rant against?
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Stewards of the Ocean?
How about power hungry ex hippies that blame mostly the United States for the ills of the world and seek to end the highest standard of living
achieved on this planet while feeding more of the world than any other nation can. Please provide the details of the coral reef destruction by the SS
Rainbow Warrior or whatever Green Peace vessel did it, as you may be more informed about that organization than I...
Many thanks!
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David K: "power hungry ex hippies that blame mostly the United States for the ills of the world and seek to end the highest standard of living
achieved on this planet while feeding more of the world than any other nation can."
Hello ? ! ? ! Could you possibly be more GENERAL, insulting, random, marginalizing, and prejudiced...??? It may help others to better understand
your lack of thought, accuracy, and appropriateness.
Seriously..... I ask you, David.... Do you wonder (or care) what others might "receive" when you "transmit" this kinda stuff...?
Its all just stuff and some numbers.
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David K
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You edited out the second half of that post:
"Please provide the details of the coral reef destruction by the SS Rainbow Warrior or whatever Green Peace vessel did it, as you may be more informed
about that organization than I...
Many thanks! "
Please set me straight... obviously I have it all wrong, yes???
This is a discussion forum... I knew if I posted a conservative opinion, it would promote a liberal responce... Now, please provide some facts and not
just emotional rant! Many thanks, again!
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ursidae69
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Quote: | Originally posted by David K
You edited out the second half of that post:
"Please provide the details of the coral reef destruction by the SS Rainbow Warrior or whatever Green Peace vessel did it, as you may be more informed
about that organization than I...
Many thanks! "
Please set me straight... obviously I have it all wrong, yes???
This is a discussion forum... I knew if I posted a conservative opinion, it would promote a liberal responce... Now, please provide some facts and not
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Here is an article on the corel reef.
***LINK***
It was not intentional, it was an accident, accidents happen David (see thread on cargo ship in Ensenada). They paid their fines. Most don't pay the
fines.
DavidK, I'm fine with folks having different opinions, that's American, just don't be a blow hard full of inflammatory name calling and stereotypes
like the certain contingent found in the off-topic section here.
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David,
Label my opinion what ever you want, but we have all benefited from the actions of groups like Greenpeace. When whales are saved from whaling ships
and marine and biosphere reserves are created, when pollution levels are reduced in part by the efforts of 'liberal' environmental groups/persons we
all benefit, democrat or republican, liberal or conservative. What have you done to help preserve the oceans and the animals in them? If you've
helped in some way, does that mean I can call you a liberal? Why do you act as if trying to protect the environment is bad thing?
As far as Greenpeace damaging a reef, I believe it's true. Accidents do happen and it's unfortunate. But that one accident does not erase all the
*good* Greenpeace strives for and has accomplished.
It's interesting that the anti-environment crowd always asks for facts to be provided to them - You are as able as the rest of us to use google or the
local public/university library to find out all sorts of facts. In this way you can educate yourself without the getting involved in the emotional
response these kinds of discussions often bring on.
gringorio 
Quote: | Originally posted by David K
You edited out the second half of that post:
"Please provide the details of the coral reef destruction by the SS Rainbow Warrior or whatever Green Peace vessel did it, as you may be more informed
about that organization than I...
Many thanks! "
Please set me straight... obviously I have it all wrong, yes???
This is a discussion forum... I knew if I posted a conservative opinion, it would promote a liberal responce... Now, please provide some facts and not
just emotional rant! Many thanks, again! |
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Thank you for providing the link... that was not the one I had read, however... which was posted just after the 'accident'.
I personally find this part is a poor excuse:
"Greenpeace blames the accident on what it called inaccurate navigational charts provided by the Philippine"
Typical that they cannot take the blame for the destruction... Why are they not using American made charts?
How does paying a fine to a government bring back the coral? That is like rewarding that government for making inaccurate charts, no???
If a U.S. 'pro-capitalism' private ship did the same thing, you know darn well that just paying a fine would NOT get them off the hook! How come the
media here did not make this Greenpeace accident better known to the masses.
Isn't destroying a centuries old coral reef MORE important than a friend accidentally hurting another friend while hunting???? Isn't it???
If they are really concerned about enviromental destruction (as what happened in the Philippenes), then surely a congressional hearing should be
called... Maybe the Rainbow Warrior captain should be jailed... maybe they should not sail in tropical waters... maybe they should just get real jobs
that help feed the hungry...???
Again, many thanks!!!
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Greg, I am very pro enviroment... I bet most consrvatives are (To conserve something is to keep it as it was, if that was good)...
I fear that many of you have been blinded by years of lies from the left.
I ask you to prove, so that you can see the facts... I knew about the coral reef disaster afterall, and was the one to bring it to everyone's
attention here... So, isn't awareness of this something good?
Have a great weekend... I need to get going, still have some work to do before Baja!
By the way, I don't raise anyones thinking here to get them angry, but to get them to think... IE. Greenpeace isn't ALWAYS good and Conservatives
aren't ALWAYS bad! 
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Quote: | Originally posted by David K
If they are really concerned about enviromental destruction (as what happened in the Philippenes), then surely a congressional hearing should be
called... Maybe the Rainbow Warrior captain should be jailed... maybe they should not sail in tropical waters... maybe they should just get real jobs
that help feed the hungry...???
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No David, the captain shouldn't go to jail, he should pay the fine for the accident. If the captain did it on purpose then he/she should go to jail.
Your argument is pointless.
Don't you think helping the seas to recover from certain fishing techniques from the past is helping to feed the world's hungry? Come on, please get
a grip.
We get it, DavidK does not like Greenpeace, we get that. Who cares. The point of the thread was to bring up the elevated mercury levels found by the
free mercury screening that just so happened to be sponsored by Greenpeace. That means they PAID for it David, they didn't do the screening
themselves. The data from the screening speaks for itself, it is elevated.
The question Bajarich posted was have any of you Baja fishermen been screened for mercury. So, DavidK, are you a fisherman? I suspect no, second,
if you are, have you been screened? I suspect no, so beyond that, start a new thread in off-topic about what the heck you think about Greenpeace or
any other liberal rant you want to get off your chest. Last time I checked, this was the General Baja Discuission section of Nomad.
[Edited on 2-24-2006 by ursidae69]
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Quote: | Originally posted by David K
You edited out the second half of that post:
This is a discussion forum... I knew if I posted a conservative opinion, it would promote a liberal responce... Now, please provide some facts and not
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David: You know nothing about me being a conservative, liberal, etc... You simply assume that you do... which I've observed is a common occurrance
from reading your posts, David.
I did ask you 2 questions:
"Could you possibly be more GENERAL, insulting, random, marginalizing, and prejudiced...???
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"Seriously..... I ask you, David.... Do you wonder (or care) what others might "receive" when you "transmit" this kinda stuff...? "
You're certainly entitled to your opinions... You have lots of them, which you post regularly.
I simply (and sincerely) asked you to consider your comments and the effect you have on others.... (no response). You certainly don't have to think
about it... And it appears that you didn't ??
I don't rant, David K... And I don't want to engage in polarizing negativity with you.... Yes, this is a discussion forum... And it is also fair
game to suggest you consider how others receive your comments, insults, assumptions.
It IS easier to avoid thinking about the effects of your actions and words and simply toss another verbal gernade.... have at it, amigo !
Its all just stuff and some numbers.
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Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Are the fish you eat coming from an industrial area that dumps mercury? Where on the peninsula or Cortez coast is such an industry?
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I can't imagine the El Boleo copper smelter at Santa Rosalia ever put any mercury into the water. They were such an environmentally friendly
buisness. Those big smokestacks probably had huge filters for taking out the harmful stuff.
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All of us need to understand the other side of the story.! I had some previous information about Mercury that helps me understand some of what is
being Posted.
All of you , no matter if you are Envior or Not. must understand that many, many people in this World are very wary of anything that is put forth by
Greenpeace!
It is not the subject matter all the time but the manner in which they collect the Information, the style./ I realize that that is the way a good
many of the Envior Groups operate-Such as the young Girl who Died as she was coming out of a tree, in which she had been roosting for 3 years].
The Klamath Lakes Debackle.
The Snail-Darter in Death Valley.
Some of the Good stuff like the Wind Machines-which they forgot about the Birds- Now the industry is doing something about it on their on.!
The one big Problem with the Envior Groups is "leadership", so many go off on their on little Path not realizing that if they had the thing called
"common Sense" they could get a lot more done.
Still have not been able to find out how much mercury it takes to Kill a normal Human . anybody Know???
Skeet/Loreto
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Good point!
It is beneficial to try to understand WHY opposing views are held - and to respect others' right to believe whatever they want. Often times it leads
to some creative and healthy dialoge, solutions, and even coalitions on common interests.
Your comment "The one big Problem with the Envior Groups is "leadership", so many go off on their own little path, not realizing that if they had the
thing called "common sense" they could get a lot more done."
I've seen that... I've also seen some good work done by several local ones. Most of my own work on environment issues (legislative work, scientific
studies, legal work, and public forums, etc.) has been done as a concerned local resident rather than as part of any group.
Your comment, Skeet is a good one. I believe it often times applies to our government, our agencies, and our industries. hindsight is 20/20 (unless
of course someone's trying to cover their trail....). And I've experienced enough "good ol boy backroom deals" between industry and politics, that I
am often as skeptical of their sound bites as you are of some large environment groups 
PS... no offense to Texans, who often think of "good ol boy" in a totally different way!
BTW, I imagine a little Googling would help find Mercury Toxicity Studies and tolerances.... ? ?
djh
Its all just stuff and some numbers.
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The amount of mercury it takes to kill you probably doesn't matter, as you will completely insane long before you reach those levels.
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