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[*] posted on 6-22-2006 at 09:26 AM


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Tempting to blame it on bad calls from bad refs and there certainly were some, but in the end we just didn't have it.


Exactly. Bad calls are part of the game, in a sense, both for and against. I am so sick and tired of hearing the incompetent, whining U.S. commentators.
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[*] posted on 6-22-2006 at 10:45 AM


what was the final score? I have been to busy to watch the game.



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[*] posted on 6-22-2006 at 11:48 AM


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Tempting to blame it on bad calls from bad refs and there certainly were some, but in the end we just didn't have it.


Exactly. Bad calls are part of the game, in a sense, both for and against. I am so sick and tired of hearing the incompetent, whining U.S. commentators.
Not to speak of whining Mexicans.:moon::moon::moon::P
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[*] posted on 6-22-2006 at 02:36 PM


Bruce Arena must go. He has completely gutted any spirit and desire the US team had before bracket play. Can't blame the players 'cuz this is the best and most experienced team would could field. At no other time has US Soccer had as many of its players playing in Europe or the Premier, so it ain't the players. The last 20 minutes of the Ghana game showed that. It's the coaching. Bad calls are just that, everyone gets them so they're never a factor. Sometimes they go your way, sometimes not. Nope, it's the coaching. Who the hell starts a "must win" game with a 4-5-1!?!? Get a grip! In the second half, Ghana wants to protect their lead and guess what - they go to a 4-5-1 - perfect DEFENSIVE move. Why the hell does US Soccer insist on having an "american" coach. This is the only federation that does this. US Soccer has it's head so far up its @ss that we will never get anywhere unless they all resign. Jeeez...look what they did to the women! They took all their world cup money, and left a crappy coach to blow the next cup! Sounds familiar? Hienrichs should never have been the coach!

...and don't get me started on Dave O'Brien, the commentator. My god, go back to whatever sport you were doing because you certainly have no clue about this one! He can't get the cadence right, has no clue about momentum, won't shut up....jeeez what a loser. We'd be better off with that guy who announces the horse races fro Hollywood park and Del Mar. At least he has some passion.

Crimony....don't get me started......:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

Anyway, Germany looks solid, as does Argentina. Dark horse would be Ecuador or Portugal. Sorry to say but I don't thing Mexico has the gas.....they're out of shape....too many of Tias's tamales after practice!!
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[*] posted on 6-22-2006 at 02:50 PM


thanks The Sculpin that was a good report.



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[*] posted on 6-22-2006 at 04:12 PM


Sculpin, I agree with much of what you said - especially the commentator part, where I agree with all you said, but to me the biggest lack is in understanding the game, tactically. Compare them to the Mexican commentators, or any of the European ones.

This U.S. team was hyped beyond it's capabilities, which seem to be few, aside from being physically fit. Remember Alexei Lalas predicting that this World Cup would be between the U.S. and Brazil? :lol::lol::lol::lol:

The level of experience of this formation, compared to teams like Germany, Italy, England, Brazil, Checksolovakia (oops, they're the Chek repulbic now), Holland, (even France) and most of the other teams in this tournament is minimal. Frankly, that's pretty hard to bridge. I think it's pretty amazing that the U.S. got where they did. Most of the players in this cup are professionals that play in outstanding national leagues on a daily basis, where they make millions of dollars a year. What does the U.S. have - the MLS? Please! :rolleyes: And, though there are undoubtedly some good players in the U.S. formation, look at the depth of the other teams.

The coaching is an important piece for sure, but the experience factor plays there as well. What's Arenas background? Again, the MLS, UVA and (oh yeah) the U.S. national team. It's a different league altogether and a lot of work needs to be done before the U.S. can field a team to compete at the highest levels in the world and hope to win. Remember, they scored ONE goal in all three games.

As far as predictions, I don't know, but Italy looks pretty good to me. :biggrin:

[Edited on 6-22-2006 by Roberto]
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[*] posted on 6-22-2006 at 06:21 PM


Today, maybe 70-80 minutes after "the" game, one of my employees (a die-hard Americanista) asked if the rumor was true that Arena would resign. Whoa... talk about wings on rumors. More than one source has speculated on Bruce's lack of imagination and sticking to a purely defensive posture when aggresive attack was called for. I can't reconcile "can't blame the players" with "partly to blame". One or the other, please. But, it's usually the coach that gets fired....



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[*] posted on 6-22-2006 at 06:23 PM


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what was the final score? I have been to busy to watch the game.


2-1 Ghana, well earned.




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[*] posted on 6-22-2006 at 06:26 PM


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I am so sick and tired of hearing the incompetent, whining U.S. commentators.


Don't worry, you won't suffer any longer. With the exception of Univision, network interest in the rest of the tournament will sink to Mr.BillM's level. Look for an occasional soundbite on ESPN and absolutely nothing further from ABC.


Might as well watch the rest on Univision etc. and improve your Spanish. The more that goes in one ear, the less that comes out the other. SOME of it has got to get stuck in the middle.:lol:

[Edited on 6-23-2006 by Oso]




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[*] posted on 6-22-2006 at 06:48 PM


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At least I can still cheer for Mexico.


And without any fear of conflicting emotions.

And if Mexico bites the dust... Well, aside from my somewhat mandatory first two allegiances, my favorite national team has always been and probably always will be...

BRAAAAAAAASsiere

The kind that fastens in the rear

That holds the things I love so dear

BRASsiere, BrasSIERE

dum dum dum da da da da da


Slumbering through the first half with ?JAPON! :o actually leading 1-0, Brazil finally woke up with a classic Ronaldo header in the first minute of stoppage. Then the "old" Cariocas came back with a vengeance, whipping the Nips like a rented mule 4-1.

I'm almost ready to put money on Brazil to win the cup one more time...

If nothing else, they've always got the best looking fans. Anybody remember the focus on Ronaldo's girlfriend 4 years ago?:O




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[*] posted on 6-22-2006 at 08:19 PM
USA Ghana way.


Bye Bye. I'm so sad.

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[*] posted on 6-22-2006 at 09:58 PM


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In contrast to Brasil's phoned-in ho hum 1-0, nothing spectacular performance. "El Mundial de Ronaldhino"? I don't think so.


Oso - miraste el partido con el Jap?n? Fu? la samba brasile?a, verdad?

When Brasil plays the way they did in the second half, they are unbeatable.
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[*] posted on 6-22-2006 at 10:33 PM


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In contrast to Brasil's phoned-in ho hum 1-0, nothing spectacular performance. "El Mundial de Ronaldhino"? I don't think so.


Oso - miraste el partido con el Jap?n? Fu? la samba brasile?a, verdad?

When Brasil plays the way they did in the second half, they are unbeatable.


Most of it. Saw Japan's goal and Ronaldo's just before halftime then foolishly went back to my office and actually did some work for a while and missed the next two goals at the start of the second half. I guess they've been resting and "looking ahead". Hopefully they've got that samba rhythm going from here on.

Ronaldinho sure is a goofy looking kid, but...




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[*] posted on 6-24-2006 at 09:08 AM


Well, I was wrong. ABC is covering Germany-Sweden in the first game of the second round/round of 16/octavos de final (take your pick).

The blizkrieg is on with the Krauts 2 up in the first 15 min. , 2-0 at the half with the Swedes looking f....ed- playing with 10. Lucic out on a second yellow.

Overzealous refs seem to be a feature of this World Cup, more yellow flowing on the pitch than the mens rooms.

ESPN or Univision for the Mexico-Argentina match:?:




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[*] posted on 6-24-2006 at 09:19 AM


still getting a grip on the wholw world cup thing. usually the only time i really watch the other football is during the world cup. a real fairweather fan, to say the least. i do notice that the english premier league seems to have some of the best games when i do watch on fox, tho....


BTW, is it just me or are the commercials by, i think adidas, about "jose+10" just classic? love 'em.....




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[*] posted on 6-24-2006 at 09:30 AM


Beckenbauer?

Yeah, love 'em.:tumble:

Me too, once every 4 years is pretty much the only time I get excited about any sport. The level of play is so much more intense because the stakes are so much higher.




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[*] posted on 6-24-2006 at 09:55 AM


No change at the final, Ger 2-Swe-0. Germany has a shut-out going.

If somehow Mexico gets past Argentina, they'll face the Teutons next.

A lot more likely it's Germany-Argentina in the quarter finals.




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[*] posted on 6-24-2006 at 10:15 AM


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No change at the final, Ger 2-Swe-0. Germany has a shut-out going.

If somehow Mexico gets past Argentina, they'll face the Teutons next.

A lot more likely it's Germany-Argentina in the quarter finals.



that would be a dream come true. but I'm afraid that is all it is a dream. but I will be rutting for Mexico all the way:o




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[*] posted on 6-24-2006 at 10:19 AM


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I will be rutting for Mexico all the way:o


I love Mexico too, but not that way!:o




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[*] posted on 6-24-2006 at 10:45 AM
Hallelujah


FINALLY ! A decent riot has broken out in Stuttgart, Germany after the match between Germany and Sweden with British (?) and German "Fans ?" beating the holy crap out of each other and anyone else who happens to be around. Now that's what Sports are all about. Why, exactly, the Brits are peeed over Sweden's loss is beyond me, but who cares ? Good aerial photos, though.
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