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Frank
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Baja and trash bags
My last trip south I had a buddy from Kansas with me. There was the normal ooohs and ahhs as we traveled down. The one question he asked that has been
sticking in my mind is why is there so much trash blowing everywhere? The city dump is right off the road and uncovered, it also seems no one likes to
use a trash bag.
I need a better reply to the question.
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elgatoloco
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It's a cultural thing.
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Baja Bernie
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Frank
Go to search and type inn plastic bags or trash bags. You will get enough information to fill a 33 gallon trash bag.
My smidgen of a claim to fame is that I have had so many really good friends. By Bernie Swaim December 2007
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Capt. George
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culture my ass, it's a "lazy" thing...
we had before Lady Bird did such a great job with her "Clean Up America Campaign
\"The penalty good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men\" Plato
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elgatoloco
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Capt. George
culture my burro, it's a "lazy" thing... |
When I visit a foreign country and I witness a particular behavior that I may personally find disgusting,rude, or otherwise, I am prone to declare
that it is a 'cultural' thing.
As Bernie pointed out there has been much interesting discussion about this subject of trash in Baja on this forum.
It NEVER ceases to amaze (and disgust) me when I am ANYWHERE and come across trash. Lady Bird's efforts to educate did help in the USA. There is hope.
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Dave
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Plastic garbage bags cost money. 
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Frank
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Thanks Ill do some searching...
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pappy
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i thought they grew them on ranches there in san quintin!
i bet if they put a $ on them for recycling there would be a lot less of them floating around...
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Frank
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Thats funny pappy thats exactly what I thought they were doing with them. Once my buddy pointed it out, it was all I could see.
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flyfishinPam
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Its definately a lazy thing like George pointed out. I remember just before the "Pitch In" campaign in the 70's everyone tossed their garbage out the
car window and never thought anything about it. Also I remember some states were cleaner than others. We'd drive from CT west and see dirtier states
in OH, IN, IL, etc then it would look cleaner again. Dad took us on lots of road trips.
They are educating the kids in school not to litter and sometimes a kid gets the message. I repremand my kids when they throw a wrapper on the ground
or toss something out the window. If I'm not in a hurry I pull over and make them pick it up. I don't give a rats ass if their friends do it, mine
aren't allowed.
another thing is dogs runnign loose in the streets etc. The dogs get into trash cans, overturn them looking for food and garbage everywhere. If its
windy it gets blown all over. I have my place in the desert and in the winter the winds are strong and anything that isn't nailed down blows all over
the place especially those plastic handle bags. Nice thing is they really don't last but a few weeks in the strong sun as they disintegrate pretty
fast. I sure would like to see less marketing and selling of non retournable beer bottles, they're everywhere.
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bajaden
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Don't take this the wrong way, but its about freedom. The freedom to be clean or dirty. The freedom to drive fast or slow. The freedom to shoot off
fireworks that would never be allowed in the US. The freedom to put your trash in a container and have it picked up, or just go somewhere and dump it.
Freedom's that we used to have and lost. The freedom to be stupid and make wrong decisions. The freedom to have an accident and have it be called an
accident instead of a crime.
Don't get me wrong. I understand why in the US we restricted some of those freedoms for the benefit and the safety of all the people. But there is a
fine line between where the need of the greater good and the need of the indiviual becomes blurred. These people still have the choice to make the
wrong or right decision, and we judge them. With a little luck, we can incourage them to turn baja into a place we never would have come to.
I know I'm being extreme, and on purpose. But if I want to ride my motorcycle out into the desert without a helmet, I can. Stupid I know, but thats
what freedom is all about. Can't stand the trash out there though. Somebody's got to do something about that
At a feast of egos, everyone leave\'s hungry...
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Frank
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Can't stand the trash out there though. Somebody's got to do something about that
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 Thats what I was talking about. BTW thanks for everyones input.
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Bruce R Leech
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajaden
Don't take this the wrong way, but its about freedom. The freedom to be clean or dirty. The freedom to drive fast or slow. The freedom to shoot off
fireworks that would never be allowed in the US. The freedom to put your trash in a container and have it picked up, or just go somewhere and dump it.
Freedom's that we used to have and lost. The freedom to be stupid and make wrong decisions. The freedom to have an accident and have it be called an
accident instead of a crime.
Don't get me wrong. I understand why in the US we restricted some of those freedoms for the benefit and the safety of all the people. But there is a
fine line between where the need of the greater good and the need of the indiviual becomes blurred. These people still have the choice to make the
wrong or right decision, and we judge them. With a little luck, we can incourage them to turn baja into a place we never would have come to.
I know I'm being extreme, and on purpose. But if I want to ride my motorcycle out into the desert without a helmet, I can. Stupid I know, but thats
what freedom is all about. Can't stand the trash out there though. Somebody's got to do something about that |
I understand what you are getting at here Den and I agree with you. It is to bad people cant do the right thing with out an act of Congress that
always steps on some ones toes.
Bruce R Leech
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National Flower
Plastic bags as witnesses in the brush along the side of the roads in Baja, have come to be identified as the national flower of Mexico !
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Osprey
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Bajaden, "when the gods wish to punish us, they answer our prayers." If you get in a car in Florida and drive to Alaska you will (like it or not) be
protected by a zillions laws of the land. You'll also be subject to an even larger number of injunctions that might take away your freedom. Can you
say "litigation"? I'll take the old fashioned way. I'll take the Mexican way.
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Bruce R Leech
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Osprey for President
Bruce R Leech
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Baja Bernie
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Bajaden
| Quote: | Originally posted by bajaden
With a little luck, we can encourage them to turn Baja into a place we never would have come to.
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Boy! You have really hit a chord with me and you are exactly right. We want Baja to be the way it was 50 years ago with more fish than anyone could
catch--little stores that never heard of a bag much less a plastic one--etc. Then we indirectly import our culture and wham--they are lazy.
Osprey you are also so right about the laws in the states.
Heck! I have been told that the State of California adds 5,000 new laws a year. I have been inquiring about this for over a year and no one seems to
know the exact number, but with each new law our freedom is restricted a bit more.
What is really sad is the young folks don't even know how much freedom Americans USED to have.
My smidgen of a claim to fame is that I have had so many really good friends. By Bernie Swaim December 2007
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wilderone
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Ah freedom. Freedom to throw garbage out your car window. Freedom to dump truck loads of urchin shells on the side of the road to rot and stink.
Freedom to pollute streams with raw sewage; to toss that beer can, water bottle, baby diaper, toilet paper in every single spot you eat or drink or
rest or picnic; freedom to toss that plastic oil can on an island in the Gulf. Mexicans have the freedom when, upon seeing a boulder or stone cliff,
they spray paint it, throw and break a bottle against it, then leave their potato chip bag and cigarette butt on the ground. For whatever reason
trash is strewn EVERYWHERE -- and the broken glass EVERYWHERE -- it isn't because white man created plastic bags, beer and diapers. We in the US also
have freedom, but because mankind is so incredibly stupid, we have laws too.
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pacificobob
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the mexico
trash situation was far worse 20 years ago. ....better 40 years ago. as countries develop and begin to use containers for things purchased...trash
develops... for example, 35 years ago in belize there was a total lack of litter, then...as they got containers, litter appeared....now they have
developed land fills and a cultural preference for less trash.....do you remember the usa of the 50s?...lots trash...litter wasnt even word
yet!.....as some of you may recall....plastic bage existed in mexico several years before the came into use in the usa. (early 70s as i remember)
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Barry A.
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I am with Wilderone on this subject--------
---------I do not feel in the least constricted here in the USA, and I have been around for a long time. Most of the new laws make sense to me, and I
am a flaming Conservative.
Yes, I originally went to Baja because it felt like my fantasy of the frontier west, and I miss that feeling, but the Baja of today is sorta out of
control, IMHO-----------and there are dozens of "theories" as to why that happens.
But the "theory" that boggles my mind the most is the excuses for littering---------there are no excuses for littering------------it is called
"soiling your own nest" and it is sub-human behavior, IMHO.
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