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Tomas Tierra
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slingshot, marbles and a case of beer
live birds don't like to hang with dead birds
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Bedman
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Ideas, One and All
Bruce,
Although I'm sure you have your degree in Architectural Design, I really don't care about your personell opinions. As most other people in the world,
my Mother taught me, * "If you don't have something nice to say, Don't say anything at all. Do you have any pertinent information or solution to my
problem? If not, I'm sure your a Quick Study*.
Bancoduo,
Not sure what the final hourly rates I pay are. I do know that the pay rate is way higher than the average paid
Frank and Barry A.
Thank you for taking the time to offer valid, viable solutions. Chicken wire or screening material in lieu of a ceiling looks like a portion of the
solution.
Vgabndo,
You are most correct with regards to the "Ventilation" . Again i think Netting on the bottom of the cross supports is the way to go. On the gable ends
I think Netting will work as well. Yes, the deck area is waterproof and I have the Power Washer packed and ready for our next trip. It is a very
comfortable place to set and watch the sun rise, have a morning cup of coffee, a small dinner party, or just a place to get away to.
Thanks for your "Two Cents"
Jack Swords,
I have thought a bit on the problem with the safety rails running the perimeter. A length of 40# or 50# mono strung parralell to the top rail, about 6
inches high, would make it difficult for all but the smallest bird to land.
Bajame,
If only I could Find the Energizer Bunny and his Bass drum, I'd send him to Bruce's house. Bunnies do Poop, don't they! : )
Roberto,
I Really like the plastic spikes, but YIKES!! That stuff is Expensive at $5.00 a foot! The link did get my brain moving and I've found a resource that
deals with all kinds of Bird roosting solutions. Thanks for the lead!
Cypress,
I thought about a Hot Wire too....but after a moment or two, I realized it wouldn't work for this application. Thanks
Cincodemayo,
You are so right. The spikes are used extensively, even here in O.C. In fact, the Irvine co. used them on the Train terminal building.
Soulpatch,
You know me and my thoughts on them!! I'll play nice here.
Bob and Susan,
Trust me, I already Am!! : )
Diver,
You are so right with regards to the winds in Bahia De Los Angeles. I've seen them hit 60 mph. and heard of 70+ Hence, the open beam design with
trusses every 18" facing into the prevailing wind.
Freaking102,
I like the fishing net motif. We'll have to make a trip over to Mallarimo. I hear there is always lots of old nets lieing around.
Thomas Tierra,
4 of the 7 grandkids will be with us over Christmas and New Years. Can you say Lime Cannon?
Thank you all, for the Great (and the Not So Great) Ideas!! Any more?
Bedman
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Packoderm
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Here's an idea, do the whole thing in chicken wire but then cover it with 4X8 sheets of criss-cross lattice boards. You can get the pre-stained
lattice to meet Bruce's approval if desired. I've seen this done and it looks rustic yet semi-classy. But we (those who have been to what was once
Camp Gecko) all know Bedman and his family is classy anyway.
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Roberto
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bedman
I Really like the plastic spikes, but YIKES!! That stuff is Expensive at $5.00 a foot!
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It's that "marine" moniker. Take a $5.00 tarp, relabel it as marine boatcover and presto! you can sell it for $50.00
But, you got the point of the link. That stuff works.
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Al G
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Bedman, there are a lot of solutions, but a solid or close to solid ceiling is the answer, because birds will not fly into a tunnel.
Albert G
Remember, if you haven\'t got a smile on your face and laughter in your heart, then you are just a sour old fart!....
The most precious thing we have is life, yet it has absolutely no trade-in value.
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Packoderm
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When I said cover the whole thing in chicken wire and then cover with lattice, I meant the ceiling and gable ends - not the walls and everything.
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Bruce R Leech
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Wow Bedman you really have thin skin. It is obvious to me that your construction is built for function and comfort rather than for beauty and
structural integrity. it would be my guess that it is on a leased lot, and in that case I would have not done it much deferent. I was just funning
with you.
you shuld see some of my projects.
sorry If I hurt your feelings. just trying to liven things up around here .
Bruce R Leech
Ensenada
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Stickers
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Bedman - I like it
I do have a degree in Architectural Design and I like your garage. The structure looks cool (pun intended) and the open trusses are very nice. It
would be a shame to cover it up and not enjoy seeing the structure. Under the harsh environmental circumstances of Baja any opening or shade will
find volunteers to occupy it. Obviously screening the perimeter would be the best solution. You can get rolls of 1/4" galvanized screen and maybe
nail it on with wooden frames. Chicken wire leaves too much room for visitors.
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Mexray
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Be thankful that you are BELOW the border...
...If your 'casa' were up here in alta California, you would now have to hire a consulting firm and file an Environment Impact Study showing proof
that you aren't going to 'injure' the poor, disadvantaged, wild life that have been seeking their 'rights' to the shade you created...
This Study would take several years, of course, and cost you well over $100K! Then, in order for you to 'move' the fowl, you would be required to
mitigate the situation by erecting an additional, twice-sized structure nearby to allow the birds to roost without upsetting their lifestyle.
If it were me, when nobody was looking, I'd probably use some well-placed buckshot to 'thin out their ranks' and use the free-range fowl to feed the
equally disadvantaged Coyotes in the area.... ...JUST KIDDING, I'd use em'
for fish-bait...
On a more serious note, I used to use all those AOL CD's I got in the mail every month to hang on my boat - didn't work after about a week! Tried one
of those 'plastic owls' - the birds just used it for another perch to poop on - finally used some transparent fish line hanging around...worked better
than any other scheme, and may be you best solution, as it wouldn't be very visible up there under your roof.
According to my clock...anytime is \'BAJA TIME\' & as Jimmy Buffett says,
\"It doesn\'t use numbers or moving hands It always just says now...\"
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longlegsinlapaz
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Bedman
I don't have a degree in anything but life, and it's really sad that some people can't see the fact that they're insulting even in apology attempts,
but I do know a nice looking, hell-for-stout, well-built structure when I see one! As do the birds obviously! Personally, I'd opt for the least
visible soultion (fine gauge wire or screening) to enclose the rafters to the roofline, leaving it open to the air, but make sure all the birds are
OUT before you secure the last bit in place!  I'm with Stickers....don't change
the appearance of the open trusses! I'd do the screening on top of the rafters & inside the trusses....I'd use a staple gun inside & close
the rafters from above, leaving a small area in one corner to get out of! You could affix that end section of wire/screening to a small piece of wood
& pre-drill a couple screws unobtrousively from the outside to allow you to get out, as well as future access.
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Sharksbaja
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Good luck there Bedman
I suppose you've now visualized some tangible possibilities. That structure poses a haven as it sits. Changes to exclude the roosters may just move
them permanently. Most birds are inherently afraid of enclosed spaces. We all know what would happen should a bird ffly into a similar place with a
big tomcat in there!
Hence, I think clever screening maybe a little bamboo & lattice work to tie-in the cinder block. great fer hangin' awesome flotsam and jetsome!
Think shade and breeze. Are u going to plant anything tall around it?
Hey, where's a good raptor when you need one.
Would you like a few nuetered farm cats joke intended 
DON\'T SQUINT! Give yer eyes a break!
Try holding down [control] key and toggle the [+ and -] keys
Viva Mulege!
Nomads\' Sunsets
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Bedman
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Thanks again for the Good suggestions
Packoderm,
The lattice work is a fine idea. II presumed you meant just the ceiling and gables. 'll have to pass all of these concepts onto the wife. Thanks for
the Good idea and the compliment. Gecko is still there, we just won't have the same amount of traffic we used to.
Roberto,
You have the Marine retailers pegged!
Al G,
Really? I think your right. Another potential remedy.
Bruce R Leech,
Bruce, Bruce, Bruce....... You should quit before the hole gets so deep you find yourself begging for a ladder. I didn't realize YOUR Skin was so
thin. I would speculate from other posts you have made, that you have been down this road before. I again can only presume that your Architectural
Design degree didn't arrive from that college on the internet. Please, tell me How I can improve the Structural Design? Show me what you would have
designed to be more "Beautiful". And By Golly, you are right, I did lease the 1/2 acre. No, I didn't buy it for $200,000 and then try to sell it for
$175,000. I'm not that smart. Just ,FUNNING back with you, Don't get your panties in a twist. Sorry if I hurt Your feelings.
Stickers,
Glad you like the design. I'm leaning toward the screen/Shad cloth that is available at most Garden centers. Thanks!
The attached picture might look a little familiar to you......
Mexray,
As always, your cool, calm, comedic insight inspires, but you don't post enough!! The Monofilament will probably be a temporary fix.
Longlegsinlapaz,
Great name. Thank you for the accolades. I am beginning to see a clear choice of the people. Netting/Fish nets/Monofilament!!
Sharks,
D.W. plans on having a few hanging pots here and there. Not being able to water July, Aug. and Sept makes it tough. Tall plants take too long to get
tall enough. Flotsam and Jetsom will be accrued over time and hung with pride. I'm the only Neutered Male allowed in the house!! All Jokes greatly
appreciated.
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Debra
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Bedman......Hum, good ideas all.
Here's a simpler solution.....
1) Daisy (can't imagine any bird that would DARE!) someone already mentioned the Energizer Bunny. I'd already thought of Daisy.
2) Keicko (22# house-sitting feline.....you pay for the groceries).....just kidding, wayyyyyy too expencive!
Really, seems the idea to block of those rafters makes the best sense. Good luck!
Mean people suck!
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Skeet/Loreto
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Bedman; My wife and I just finished "Her" Barn. It is a Wood Structure with "Ready-Built Trusses.
There are rolls of Black netting Material at Lowes are Home Depot. Take the Netting and staple to the Trusses.
It has worked fine> The Wrens we allow to make their Mud Nests under the eves over the Dorrs of our Home. It is messy but there is an old saying in
Texas"that if a Wren chooses your Home it means Good Luck.
Good Luck
Skeet/Loreto
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Sonora Wind
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THE SOLUTION
dose Gatos: In fact a great name for your Mexico Rancho. Two Cats of farel nature. They eat the problem and bury the evidence.
[Edited on 8-19-2006 by Sonora Wind]
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Bedman
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Debra,
Daisy would only lick them, or Point them. Your cat would be a better solution.
Skeet,
That is pretty much what we intend to do. Thanks for the suggestion.
Sonora Wind,
I like the name, "Dos Gatos", but then we'd have to change the current name from "Casa de Camas".
Bedman
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Al G
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Bedman...If you use Netting, You should soak it in CWF. (Clear wood finish) or some good preservative. When it turns white (5years +-???)Dip it again.
As you know monofiliment won't last very long, but String dipped in CWF will last several years.
Just a thought. if that is the direction your are heading I think it is as good as any, and netting hung on cup hooks can be removed easy.
Albert G
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The most precious thing we have is life, yet it has absolutely no trade-in value.
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Debra
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Bedman:
I have to fess up here. Keicko only looks scary (size) if the truth be told he cuts a wide berth around my baby bird, she's little, but IS scary!
More pathetic is that the wild birds will come and dine at the feeder on our deck with Keicko sitting next to it! He gets no respect. 
Mean people suck!
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ME
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Bruce is right... the place has no structural Integrity. If you look at your picture of the Irvine Transpo. Ctr. you will see a solid wall down one
side and steel columns with a partial solid wall down the other, these are providing latteral sheer value that is tided in/transferd from the
foundation thru the roof sheeting. your small knee braces at your post to beam connection are inadequate for the wind your talking about. some
temporary diagonal bracing is advised until you get that resolved... also a cooler full of beer, slingshots and a sack of marbles sounds like solid
entertainment, I think I would start there
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Paulina
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Steve,
What ever you do to correct the problem, I want you to know that I was only kidding in my email when I asked you to send them over to my house. Please
keep that info on the down low to your feathered friends. Good luck!
As always,
P.
\"Well behaved women rarely make history.\" Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
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