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BajaGeoff
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Is Baja More Violent Now?
I was reading about the shooting yesterday of the Tijuana police sub-director and stumbled upon this quote regarding the recent violence in Baja:
"Official statistics, however, don't show a dramatic upswing in killings. During the first 20 days of September, 27 homicides have been recorded.
Since 2003, the number of killings per month has ranged from 18 to 57, according to statistics from the state attorney general's office. What makes
the situation unusual is the kind of violence and who is being targeted."
So, is Baja really more violent now than in years past, or is it just that the stories are more widely publicized because of the nature of the crimes?
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Cypress
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BajaGeoff. The Baja violence is a turf battle between bad guys. It'll all settle down as soon as the smoke clears. Endangering tourists is the last
thing they want. Very bad for business! Been offered drugs a time or two down in Baja. Declined. They smiled and moved on to the next prospect. 
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BajaGeoff:
Violence is on the rise in many places in Baja as well as the States and all over the World; A good reason is the Rise in Drug use, especially the
"Meth" problem.
In Loreto for many years there was very little Crime, after the Road Opened, TV, Telephones came along and the Americans started coming in numbers the
Crimes,especially thefts started an upward Trend, then the Transportation of Drugs from the Mainland to Baja increased creating more problems.
For many years you could, as a Guest at the Hotel Oasis, leave you wallet in you unlocked room while going out for a Day of fishing,without worry of
it being stolen.
As DOPE was not around, the thing to do was "Sniffing of Glue" from a Sock.
Finally "Grass" became popular and a couple of my Friends ended up doing 3 Years of Hard Time for selling a Pound on the streets of Loreto.
If the same Punishment was still being handed down, there would be no more problem!
The first Muder I remember in Loreto happened on Coronado Island and was between Mexicanos, the Second, several years later was an Americano Shot to
death in his House, and the Third was a young man who murdered a Girl up in the Arroyo.. That covered a period from 1968 to 2000.
Most of the "Bad Stuff" happens in the Border Cities and Areas ,
Bypass those area as you would areas of Los Angeles, Oakland, San Francisco.
Be aware , know your surroundings and live without Fear!
Skeet/Loreto
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BajaGeoff
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I understand the nature of the situation Cypress....and I agree....it should settle down.....hopefully sooner than later. 
Just trying to put a little perspective on the negative attention that our beloved Baja is getting lately!
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Hook
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The question, in a sense, is rather unimportant, when you are dealing with violent crime at this high level.
It's a little bit like the mayors of Compton and Inglewood arguing about who has the lower murder rate in their city. Somebody does, but who cares?
It's an unacceptable level.
Besides, the murder rate in TJ, graphed, would probably look more like a sine wave than an ever-increasing curve. Factors other than just "drug use"
(whose incidence is pretty linear in one direction or the other) must be affecting the rate. Events like the arrest of Arellano-Felix or an internal
situation in the cartels or the police agencies (or both) are probably more to blame.
Best to avoid the peaks in the sine wave........there has been some significant collateral damage in this recent outbreak. Not just those in the drug
trade or enforcement are being killed or wounded.
Skeets points are well made.......but it's just so darn inconvenient to bypass TJ and Rosarito (on our way south) for some of us.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Cypress
BajaGeoff. The Baja violence is a turf battle between bad guys. It'll all settle down as soon as the smoke clears. Endangering tourists is the last
thing they want. Very bad for business! Been offered drugs a time or two down in Baja. Declined. They smiled and moved on to the next prospect. |
I dont think this war is about controlling who is going to sell some pot or whatever to the few gringos who would dare try and make a street purchase
in Baja. This is much bigger dollars than that. This is about moving stuff into the US where the prohibition creates a much bigger profit margin.
You wont find these people on a street corner........
It's becoming collateral damage that most of us have to worry about. More public shootouts.....more collateral damage. 150 shots supposedly fired near
the Playas de TJ exit, when that police captain was taken out. What was that....9am in morning or something?
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A simple question--you stated that this was a world wide happening and I agree with you--The question--do you think it is about time that the honest
citizens of the world take things away from the politicians and the gangs and start enforcing justice on their own for their own survival?
Yeah! I know someone is going to ask the question--how can a retired cop talk like this--the answer is the world wide system of civilization is
broken!!!!!!!!
My smidgen of a claim to fame is that I have had so many really good friends. By Bernie Swaim December 2007
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Larry
I am not totally sure but you have taken what I said and reduced it to what you would do! And, somehow I really do not believe that is what I was
thinking.
My smidgen of a claim to fame is that I have had so many really good friends. By Bernie Swaim December 2007
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The laws in Mexico are a little different then they are in the states. A doctor friend of mine here in Ensenada confronted an intruder in his own home
and because he is an expert in martial arts the guy was taken to the hospital with several broken bones and teeth missing. He really beat him bad. The
intruder went to the Ministerio Publico and was charged with the crime however because he was beaten soo badly the MP office filed charges against my
friend and he was ordered to pay for all of his medical fees as well as monies to support the intruders family.
If an intruder enters your home and you shoot or stab him you had better be sure he also has a gun or knife. If he does'nt you will be charged.
Apparently you must fight fair, which to me does'nt make sense. If someone enters my home here and he was not invited I will do what I have to do and
I will not be the victim. I will purchase the pine box.
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Bernie, it was actually Skeet that was making the world-wide point. That was not one of the points I am in total agreement with.
Until VERY recently, the violent crime rate, at least statistically, has been steadily going down in the US. I know that in my neck of the woods, it's
pretty rare.
Tough for me to extrapolate to the rest of the world.
But I'm always in favor of citizens having the lethal means to protect themselves, personally. Please dont take offense to this as an ex-lawman, but
the police too often arrive after the fact. I'd rather have the means to deter, before the fact.
Of course that's pretty much out of the question in Mexico. Even if I could pack, not sure what good it would do against an AK-47.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by lizard lips
The laws in Mexico are a little different then they are in the states. A doctor friend of mine here in Ensenada confronted an intruder in his own home
and because he is an expert in martial arts the guy was taken to the hospital with several broken bones and teeth missing. He really beat him bad. The
intruder went to the Ministerio Publico and was charged with the crime however because he was beaten soo badly the MP office filed charges against my
friend and he was ordered to pay for all of his medical fees as well as monies to support the intruders family.
If an intruder enters your home and you shoot or stab him you had better be sure he also has a gun or knife. If he does'nt you will be charged.
Apparently you must fight fair, which to me does'nt make sense. If someone enters my home here and he was not invited I will do what I have to do and
I will not be the victim. I will purchase the pine box. |
That sounds like what would happen in the US.
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Times are Changing:
Recently here in the Texas Panhandle a 15 year old intruder broke into a home, the Owner shot Him! It was taken to the Grand Jury and "No Billed"!
The act of Sef-Defense by use of Deadly force is now acceptable aganist Intruders.
Many times in the Loreto Area in the Past, the person who got out of Line was taken care of by a Family Member, but with the Breakdown of the Family
in Mexico, as in the States,it has changed.
Bernie, as an ex-Officer who worked South Central LA the year before the Watts Riots, and the upsurge of Violence in East La, and Compton{Which has
the largest number of Ex-Cons in California} I agree that this Country is coming to a Time in Which we as Citizens will have to take up Arms!!
It is a Sad thing to see coming.
I still suggest that for those who have been going through TJ, to take a little extra Time and go Through at Tecate!!
Skeet/Loreto
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Skeet, I wonder if the owner would have gotten off if he had beaten the kid instead of shooting him. I would guess a grandjury or judge might think he
should stop beating the kid at some point. As in the case that lizard lips tells.
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TW; The .Owner Shot the Kid Dead!
As inCalif., during the early 90's here in Texas there has been a "Get Tough Time"" Texas is nesx to California in Prison Population, being much
Tougher on things such a Hot Check here can get you 30 Days in Jail, Evictions ar done in 30 Days as opposed to 6 Months in Calif.
But to get back to the Problem in Baja and Mexico; It is very Simple to me;;Shut down the Demand- There will be no Market!
Life/Death for all Dealers of Drugs- No Rehab as it is proven to be a Failure.
Seems as if Mexico is getting rid of a lot of Scum, maybe they will Kill all the Bad Guys, then some of the reformed Addicts can Shoot the Rest for
selling them the Drugs in the First Place.
Anon The Preacher
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Self-Defense
Under California Law, you are able to use deadly force in self-defense if you (as a reasonable person) feel you are in danger of death or great bodily
harm. If you are inside your own home and someone makes a forced entry, the legal assumption is that you have the right to use deadly force. Note
that coming through an unlocked door does not constitute forced entry.
Additionally, previously the law was phrased so that you had to retreat to safety if able to do so. That requirement has been dropped in favor of
language similar to that adopted in Florida that you have no responsibility to retreat from any spot that you have a legal right to be in.
In Texas (unless it has been repealed), you also had the right to use deadly force in defense of private property. It was jokingly referred to as the
"Shoot the Repo Man" law because a number of people repossessing vehicles were shot by the owners who "claimed" that they thought he was a thief.
As an added precaution should you ever need to shoot someone in your house, follow the advice I heard from a Defense expert who said "fire three
shots. The first two center mass into the perp and the third in the ceiling. When the police ask if you fired a warning shot, point to the one in
the ceiling and say yes".
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I will remember that Mr. Bill.......
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In Texas, you do not have to fire a Warning Shot, all that is necessary that you feel that your are in Eniment Danger of losing your Life.
At Police School at Freano State,we were taugh that if we had to Pull our Weapon that we were to "Shoot to Kill', now it is Taught that when you Piul
your Weapn your are to "Shoot to Stop""
To quick shots to the Midsection with a 9 mm usually does the Job.
It is not your intent to "Kill" but to Stop!/ Much Different than 50 years ago.
Just went through the Concealed Handgun Program for my Permit, 12 Hours of Study, Test, firing.
Skeet
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Most folks will do whatever it takes to protect their family, themselves, and property. Don't use lethal means to protect property. Defending family
or self from harm comes under the heading of "self defence". If you deliver the coup 'de grace instead of calling an ambulance, you might be
prison-bound.
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Are cross-bows illegal in Mexico?
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Warning Shots
Note that I did NOT say that a "warning shot" was required in California. It is not. The advice came from a security expert who gave the advice as a
way to make your case look better.
The two weapons I have at the ready in my house (in California) are a 12-gauge and a .45ACP. Two shots from either Center Mass and there is no
concern over wounding. Another piece of advice from the same defense expert was that, if only one party is alive, only one version of the story will
ever be told.
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