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Baja Bernie
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Hook
"Please dont take offense to this as an ex-lawman, but the police too often [almost always] arrive after the fact. I'd rather have the means to deter,
before the fact."
Why should I take offense with reality!!!!!!
My smidgen of a claim to fame is that I have had so many really good friends. By Bernie Swaim December 2007
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awfulart
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
Are cross-bows illegal in Mexico? |
I have been wondering the same thing. A small cross bow can do a lot of damage. However, don't miss.
Art P.
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k1w1
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yikes
... I guess rednecks head south too!
sheeez
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Sonora Wind
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So K1w1
Please tell use all, how you intend to defend yourself, on a lone strech of a long quite beach. Your there with your special other and a panga of 6/7
Male unfriendlies comes around the point. You take it from here. ???? We
wait for non-redneck enlightenment. I know what I would do, but I might be a redneck.
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awfulart
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| Quote: | Originally posted by k1w1
... I guess rednecks head south too!
sheeez |
Just exactly what is your definition of a so called "Red Neck."
I suppose part of it is in the"eyes of the beholder"
Art
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awfulart
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| Quote: | Originally posted by k1w1
... I guess rednecks head south too!
sheeez |
K1W1
Just what is your definition of a Red Neck.
I guess it depends on the "eyes of the beholder"
I must say, we all should have a way of defending ourselves, and family. You probably will never be required to, but just in case. The consequences
can sometimes be final and devastating if the wrong people come along with bad intent
Art
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Sonora Wind
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I would act confident but not agressive
I would move to a place of passive advantage ie high ground. If they cross that line we call fear. Well then I pitty the poor fools.  Or the age old atage," you gota bring a nose to hit a nose." I know this all
sounds like bad A-- stuff, and I do not look for nor wish to have these types of encounters. I guess I tend to feel, if someone is intent on doing
you harm, and they don't stop advancing when they hear that 870 Rem rack the double 00. 1. Their not a redneck. 2. Their not supposed to be in
the gene pool.
In my case standing on the beach with my girlfriend and walking toward the panga in question was enough. But I was in fear .
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Skeet/Loreto
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Kiwi:
I would be my suggestion that before you call people "Redneck" that you Define yourself!
That being said: A Drunk is standing in front of a Bar in the Central Valley of California Hold a Shotgun in the Firing Position, after threatening to
Killanyone who trys to Stop Him; 4 Police Officer, with Guns Drawn and Held in the Ready position;Subject is advised to "Drop his Weapon in a
Downward Movement.
He raises the Weapon to Fire!
Kwiwi: As a Police Offer-What action do you Take??
Lay down your Weapon?
Try to Reason with the Subject?
Wait for the Movement?
Upward you shoot Him, Downward movement, you take a chane and ease your Finger from the Trigger, hoping that He drops the Weapon and you do not have
to Shoot Him:
It is the same when someone causes Danger to your Family;
thinkabout it Long and Hard, see if you can get a Ride with a Police Dept. Squad -Learn about True Life on the Streets before making Judgements about
"Defending your Family"/
Skeet/Loreto
Proud to be a Texas Redneck after being a Police Officer in Hollywood, South Central, Fresno, California
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Baja Bernie
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Larry
Have you ever met Sonora Wind--I have and he would do whatever was necessary to control his environment. A redneck he is not but a 'man' he surely
is!
My smidgen of a claim to fame is that I have had so many really good friends. By Bernie Swaim December 2007
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bajaguy
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The secret
is what you do to prepare yourself BEFORE the event.......and not having to worry about what to do when the event occurs. A practised response is
always better than a reaction.
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toneart
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What do you do when confronted by bad guys? We cannot carry weapons in Mexico. Why all the macho talk?
If you do run into the bad guys, it is really too late. You are looking down the barrel of a gun. They may rob or even kill you, but sometimes, if you
speak some Spanish and give them what they want, they might not hurt you. You are really at their mercy if they have the guns and you don't. In that
situation, if you try and act macho or tough, you will end up dead. A dead person is not macho or even dumb, anymore.
Most of the time, what looks like a bad situation turns out not to be. That has been my experience. I have travelled all over Mexico, all my life. I
have met many bad-ass looking guys and shot down tequila with them in cantinas, arm wrestled, laughed, joked, gone to parties and talked macho.....and
was fairly certain that they were not intent on hurting me. There is an attitude in mixing in the Mexican culture.Yes, it does involve being macho in
a friendly, competitive, open way, They call it "la onda". It's all about style.
Just be smart, use your intuition and try not to get yourselves in the wrong place at the wrong time. Most of the killings are over drugs, cartels,
cartel wannabes, police or anyone standing in their way.
Follow the safety tips that Nomads have offered; don't drive at night, avoid border cities, don't stop between the border and Ensenada and caravan if
possible. Be invisible. Don't flash cash or the bling bling. Just be smart and have fun. The guy with the real cajones doesn't let
fear dictate his life.
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FARASHA
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Even without cajones, I let that never happen, never did - that fear dicdates my life.
Bad people see and feel if you are an easy target, especially if you are a female. And especially as I am a petit female.
I have been traveling a lot on my own, throughout the world.
And to quite more problematic areas - comparing to BCN.
NEVER had a problem, by following those already mentioned rules.
Sometimes I either kept them at bay with a big smile and playing stupid, or a POKERFACE as "I'm NOT impresssed at all". Or played their macho
attitudes along to some extend till I could get away from them.
When it got tight I would let them know that I had a BAD day already, and would be VERY HAPPY to kick someones b.tt - or better cajones, to get it
out.( was good for my confidence to have the brown belt in Jiu Jitsu - although I NEVER had to use my skills).
However as my signature is stating - a Life lived in Fear.......
If Baja has become more violent - well, then just watch out you bad guys - when I'll be around next time  I can play your games !!!!!!Or teach you some !!
[Edited on 26-9-2006 by FARASHA]
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Stickers
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Sonora Wind
Please tell use all, how you intend to defend yourself, on a lone strech of a long quite beach. Your there with your special other and a panga of 6/7
Male unfriendlies comes around the point. You take it from here. |
The chance of this happening is probably the same as being struck by lightening on that beach. I don't need a lightening rod on my head to ejnjpy a
day at the beach.
"Unfriendlies" I think you're watching too much Military Channel, I've never come across an unfriendly in Baja.
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Skeet/Loreto
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After 38 years of Life in Baja Sur -Loreto-Mulege-and on the Sea of Cortez, I have never been "Fearful of my Life" except in a Panga 35 Miles out from
Loreto when a Whip Storm came up and there was "Thunder with no Clouds".
My trust in my Panga, my experience gained from my Friend Alvaro Murillo gave me the Confidence to Survive.
All of the Near Death Situtations came while working as a Police Officer, living in San Francisco, Oakland, Fresno California and on my Trips South to
the Border-Finally stopped going the Freeway through L.A> because of the "Random Freeway Shootings" several years ago. Started going Freeway 210 to
Pasadena, then to Hwy 60 to Hwy 15 on to Tecate and then to Ensenada.
In all my years in Baja, I have never felt Threaten.
Be Aware, Be Happy, and keep your Eyes and Ears open-.
Anon The Preacher
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FARASHA
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AMEN to Skeet!!
Had to go through several shooting's between opposing fronts in the 80ties in the near east, and just escaping a bombblast in an famous shopping area
there.
Hasn't stopped me to do what I wanted to do - just been carefull by using common sense. And trusting the instincts.
But I was always on my own, never had to look after family or else, makes maybe a difference.
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JESSE
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First you need to separate whats happening in Tijuana and to some extent, some of the other northern cities like Mexicali and Rosarito. If you do that
and you take into account the very fast increase of population from both central mexico and the us, i personally think crime has not increased that
much. As always, when ever you move into a new town you need to create several solid friendships with your neighboors. they will help you, look out
for your stuff, and protect you from the bad element in all towns. On the other hand if you think you don't need no help, if you think your taxes and
investments make you valuable to the community, you will find yourself getting into a lot of trouble unless you live in the middle of the Vizcaino
reserve.
I think back 10-30yrs the only americans who came to baja where the type that was genuinely interested in not only the physical beauty of the region,
but the people as well. So they where sort of accepted by the communities and protected by them.
These days we have a lot of americans who don't care for the locals, they just want a place to retire and foolishly think that the locals value the
investment dollars that they bring, wrong!!
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comitan
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JESSE
Frame that in BIG letters for all to see.
Strive For The Ideal, But Deal With What\'s Real.
Every day is a new day, better than the day before.(from some song)
Lord, Keep your arm around my shoulder and your hand over my mouth.
“The sincere pursuit of truth requires you to entertain the possibility that everything you believe to be true may in fact be false”
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bancoduo
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| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
First you need to separate whats happening in Tijuana and to some extent, some of the other northern cities like Mexicali and Rosarito. If you do that
and you take into account the very fast increase of population from both central mexico and the us, i personally think crime has not increased that
much. As always, when ever you move into a new town you need to create several solid friendships with your neighboors. they will help you, look out
for your stuff, and protect you from the bad element in all towns. On the other hand if you think you don't need no help, if you think your taxes and
investments make you valuable to the community, you will find yourself getting into a lot of trouble unless you live in the middle of the Vizcaino
reserve.
I think back 10-30yrs the only americans who came to baja where the type that was genuinely interested in not only the physical beauty of the region,
but the people as well. So they where sort of accepted by the communities and protected by them.
These days we have a lot of americans who don't care for the locals, they just want a place to retire and foolishly think that the locals value the
investment dollars that they bring, wrong!! |
WELL SAID!
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bajalera
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To digress back to the opener of this thread: Of course Baja is more violent now--just like every place else. There are more people everywhere than
there used to be, which means more psychopaths and wannabe badasses. Jobs that pay a living wage are being shipped to other countries, resulting in
more discontented young people [old ones too]. Add an increase in drugs and druggies, and we've got a world that's way more dangerous than the one I
grew up in.
\"Very few things happen at the right time, and the rest never happen at all. The conscientious historian will correct these defects.\" -
Mark Twain
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Hook
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajalera
To digress back to the opener of this thread: Of course Baja is more violent now--just like every place else. There are more people everywhere than
there used to be, which means more psychopaths and wannabe badasses. Jobs that pay a living wage are being shipped to other countries, resulting in
more discontented young people [old ones too]. Add an increase in drugs and druggies, and we've got a world that's way more dangerous than the one I
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Agree completely,'lera.
It's unfortunate that the means for visitors to protect themselves has not kept pace; from our inability to possess any REAL deterrent to the
corruption with Mexican officialdom (delegados, feds, military, politicians and their appointees).
Fortunately, the areas of REAL danger are pretty obvious to those who take notice.
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