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rts551
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Shari
Yes... but me thinks there are some that are posting out of ignorance or maybe "chumming" for more posts
enough You said it best in the beginning.
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bigzaggin
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AMEN! 
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Skeet/Loreto
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Would someone please define "grezzerhood'???
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Lee
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Just a thought
| Quote: | Originally posted by Cypress
Somebody ought to tell those chinese geezers about viagra. But after seeing some
of those chinese hags, maybe rat poison would be more merciful.
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I find most racial comments offensive. On top of the above, referring to women as hags is equally bad.
I don't know what the intention is here.
My Dad was a Southern man and a hick. That makes me part hick. If someone were to make derragatory comments about hicks, I'd probably think
about stereotypes as not being funny.
My Mom was Pacific Islander and Cuban. If someone were to make racial slurs regarding these groups, I'd take offense.
Maybe I'm sensitive. I have my Mom's skin color and blood. I don't look Cauc.
Growing up, it was sometimes hard living in a white world when you're not taken as white.
I knows words are tossed around, like gringo. That word refers to Norte Americanos and white folk. Personally, I don't use that word but have
used it referring to ugly Americans.
So, just a thought here around racial and sexual sensitivity.
US Marines: providing enemies of America an opportunity to die for their country since 1775.
What I say before any important decision.
F*ck it.
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Cypress
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Lee, Thanks for calling me on that post.Felt bad after it was posted. My intention wasn't to cast stones at Asian ladies. Was only attempting to make light of the 'Old Asian Guys" penchant for eating weird stuff, much of what is on the
endangered species list, to get their jollies. Have seen hags in every race and
denomination, as well real beauties.
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Lee
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Yes, and....
| Quote: | Originally posted by Cypress
Lee, Thanks for calling me on that post.Felt bad after it was posted. My intention wasn't to cast stones at Asian ladies.Was only attempting to make light of the 'Old Asian Guys" penchant for eating weird stuff, much of what is on the
endangered species list, to get their jollies.Have seen hags in every race and
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Everyone has some racial and sexual insensivity in them. I do.
Jim referred to someone as a chinaman and, to me, unless you're Chinese, that word is a slur and disrespectful.
Same for the word hag. Not respectful to women.
And you're right about Asian's eating weird stuff. And Mexican's eat menudo. Geeze.
To each their own.
Point taken and given, I hope.
No disrespect intended.
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What I say before any important decision.
F*ck it.
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jimgrms
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Ldid not intend to slur or disrespect the chinese people in my post jimee i
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Shari,
I have not traveled the Baja in many years and appreciate your post. Times’ have changed and the info is useful.
Many years ago, I had the privilege of catching a Totuava out of San Filipe.
It is one of the fish that I prize most in my fishing experience. It put up a good fight and was delicious. At the time, I was told it was caught only
in the gulf and off the coast of China.
The Totuava was once so prolific and common that people caught tons of them and never gave it a thought. It now stands on the brink of extinction.
Without protection, the lobster and abalone could go the same way. The taking of abalone is now so highly regulated up north because it nearly became
extinct because of over fishing.
I think it is human nature to plunder resources without thought for the consequences. This is a fatal flaw in man. In the Pacific Northwest, where I
live, I am waiting the day when the last salmon runs our streams and on that day, the conservationists will be somehow blamed as they are now for the
increased regulation of these species.
I have traveled over much of the Republic of Mexico and have seen the great divide of the haves and have not’s. Mexican nationals have treated me in
the main with great respect and kindness. Most Mexican fishermen I have met work very hard for their living. I have met very few who are wealthy. It
is not hard to haggle a poor Mexican fisherman out of his meager catch and walk away with a few more pesos. I have many pesos, he has few. His
bargaining position is weak. Mine is strong. Not much pride in "winning" in this situation.
Thanks for sharing your unique perspective on this issue.
Iflyfish
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MrBillM
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Poor Fishermen
It's OK to be caring, compassionate, sympathetic and all of the other wonderful feelings expressed for the "Poor Economically Abused" Mexican
Fishermen because "You" have many pesos and "He" has few so you are able to further oppress him by Haggling over the price of his
catch. The answer to that Dichotomy is pretty simple, though. Simply do as I have ALWAYS done and DON'T HAGGLE. Simply ask the Vendor (whatever
he's selling) how much he wants and PAY THAT PRICE. You can feel good about your character and he can feel good about the money. Everybody Wins !
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Tomas Tierra
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Whistler...
Are they pulling traps by hand or do they have pullers in Abreojos??
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Iflyfish
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MrBillM,
Exactamento! Well said.
Iflyfish
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So, BajaGuy, are you bringing the lobster for Thanksgiving???? Oh, yeah, we're BACK!!!
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Tomas Tierra
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good for them..the few times I've been with my BCN buddies it was all by hand. Pretty shallow usually, but even that (I pulled more than a few for
them) sucked! That used, cheap poly-pro is BRUTAL.
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shari
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Thanks for the local report on lobster season in your area....each coop is very different as they have different buyers and prices, number of traps
etc. I can assure you that the prices are NOT that high here...there are 2 co-ops in our village and one does alot better than the other due to better
management and markets. So yes some fishermen do better than others. I guess one of my points is that most assume lobster fishermen are pretty well
off, I did too until I found out the reality of the situation...they do get a nice sum of cash but the rest of the year they live on credit. They
often spend this lump sum on a nice truck and paying off their debts so there really isn't alot of cash around. Sometimes the first week or couple
weeks they are as the first lobsters are in demand, but prices drop rapidly as do the quantities caught...first few days a boat can get up to 500 and
now they are getting around 100 which drops later to dozens.
Season lengths depend on the quotas and this years abalone season was a longer one due to a higher quota and lots of nasty swells which prevented the
divers from working every day.
One other point is about just asking the fishermen the price and not haggling, well I can honestly state that hardly any mexicano fishermen will ask
for a fair price...they usually just say Oh gotta cold beer?? In this society, prices aren't put on things, they seem to know what things are worth
and trade accordingly without having to discuss it...so....think about these cultural differences when "trading"
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Thank you Shari for a clearer understanding..I always want to pay the fair price and when it is unknown I tend to over pay. I leave feeling a little
dumb, but not as bad as if I had short changed someone.
Please keep up the good info.
Albert G
Remember, if you haven\'t got a smile on your face and laughter in your heart, then you are just a sour old fart!....
The most precious thing we have is life, yet it has absolutely no trade-in value.
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Bajamatic
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Oh - thats good advice. Next time I head down to mex I'll remember that whenever someone tells me the price of goods, that I should, what do you
think is fair, Double it? That might even be a good theory to apply to my life here in the states. I mean I just bought a car the other day and I
feel like I might have ripped the guy off by paying the sticker price. I'd better go back and give him some more money.
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rts551
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Same thing for abulon in Abreojos last year Shari... still diving in May. I'll try to get up your way in November (Maybe drag Whistler with me) ..
wanted to fish the torneo but its the same time as the Baja 1000... we will see
Ralph
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Frank
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Well I only pay whats fair, by my standards. Im the one paying, right? So if they want too much, then I eat carne asada. If they ask too little, I pay
and give a very nice propina to make me sleep better.
This way of mine isnt just for Mexico. Fair is fair no matter where you are in the world or in the food chain. Did I mention its also goes both ways?
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Lee
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Liberal? How about Radical?
| Quote: | Originally posted by MrBillM
It's OK to be caring, compassionate, sympathetic and all of the other wonderful feelings expressed for the "Poor Economically Abused" Mexican
Fishermen because "You" have many pesos and "He" has few so you are able to further oppress him by Haggling over the price of his
catch. The answer to that Dichotomy is pretty simple, though. Simply do as I have ALWAYS done and DON'T HAGGLE. Simply ask the Vendor (whatever
he's selling) how much he wants and PAY THAT PRICE. You can feel good about your character and he can feel good about the money. Everybody Wins !
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I shouldn't be surprised, but I am.
This is one of the most enlightened posts I've ever read. What a great attitude.
This is about generosity (of the soul), and abundance.
What goes around comes around. Good job.
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MrBillM
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Ignoring the Obvious
It Figures. Whenever I "Assume" that something doesn't need to be said, it turns out I was wrong and Someone will miss the obvious.
When I said that I NEVER Haggle, but simply pay the price requested, I didn't mean that I would BUY the goods in question if the price was out of
line. In that case, I simply say "No, Gracias", but I don't Haggle to get the lowest price. Fair Enough ?
I have a good friend who frequently comes down to visit in Baja and he doesn't believe in paying a nickel more than he has to. Once we were in San
Felipe and an elderly vendor came up selling straw hats. His original asking price was $8.00 and they looked to be worth that. My "friend" talked
him down to $5.00 and then said he could buy it at Target and take it back if he didn't like it. Ticked me off so much that I told the guy I'd buy it
and gave him $8.00. I don't even care for that kind of hat. I've still got it (in pristine condition) in my casa. My buddy asked me why I did it
and I told him it was because he acted like an "Ass" and I was embarrassed to be standing there.
On another occasion, I was standing in line at a local mercado behind some Oregon Tourists who had their $110K Motorhome parked out front and were
arguing with the clerk over the price on a case of Vanilla. The frustrated clerk, who I knew, said "it's a good price, isn't it ?" to me. I agreed
and told the old bags I knew what people meant by Ugly Americans.
Buy or don't buy, but simply pay a fair price if you do buy and don't demean someone else simply for sport.
Thanks for your comments, Lee, You're absolutely correct. The least of us visiting here are RICH by the Average Mexican's standard of life.
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