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Don Alley
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Loreto Waterfront access
Ensenada Blanca: The northern portion of the beach is fenced off by developers. Access to the southern portion of the beach is still allowed through a
guarded checkpoint. There is controversy over access and the status of the existing village. Villagers are protesting the access issue, have filed a
complaint with the state, and the the city prez (Rudolfo Davis) has been summoned to La Paz to explain the situation to the legislature, sometime next
week.
North of Ligui: I hear from a Nomad that a gate has been built across an access road, but it is still open.
Puerto Escondido: The pier's been closed for a while now. Today a Mexican neighbor who fishes there every Sunday says that a new fence and padlocked
gate have closed off the free parking area, and all access to the concrete for fishing is closed off. Access is now only allowed to the pay parking
area and boat ramp. He says the API (that's the new port authority in town) official says there are several small cruise ship visits this winter, and
the local fishermen make too much mess that will offend the visitors. If all this is true, it is unfortunate for the local shore fishermen. Loreto is
not belssed with great shore fishing and these were popular spots. Anyone been there in the last few days? I'll try and get there when I can and check
it out.
Heading north, to Playa Notri: This rocky stretch of beach has been posted closed for most of the year. Now berms are reported across access roads.
Playa Salanita, just south of Loreto, by the airport: Open, but the road was blitzed by the hurricane.
San Bruno (25 km north) I haven't been up there to check it out this fall, but developers from Spain have plans for the area and I have heard reports
that the beach is closed off.
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Bob H
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Baja is rapidly changing and development will continue to charge ahead. This is only the very beginning I'm afraid. We ain't seen noth'n yet!
Bob H
[Edited on 12-1-2006 by Bob H]
The SAME boiling water that softens the potato hardens the egg. It's about what you are made of NOT the circumstance.
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Bob and jane
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Thanks for posting the info, Don. I was avoiding it, I guess, because I didn't want to get myself all wound up again. Since I'm the nomad that told
him about the Notri closings, I will say that berms were built across the roads that accessed the rocky beach there. It is purely to keep people off
the beaches. I was mystified why some rancher (it's marked "Rancho Notri, propiedad privada, prohibido entrar") would deny access to his land.
Everywhere I have traveled in Mexico over the last 30 years the Mexican people have been welcoming, sharing people. No trespassing signs were
extremely rare. I asked a city official. Turns out "Rancho Notri" is Loreto Bay. And most of the rest of the beaches all the way to Ligui belong to
Loreto Bay, according to the official I talked to. I see barbed wire fences and gates going up on every road to the beach along that stretch--though
Juncalito and Rattlesnake remain open for now. It's the old "I own it and now I don't want anyone stepping on my land" attitude. The official said
the city had been afraid that was going to happen but he was surprised it had happened so soon. They can't do that, he said. And he would be talking
to the mayor. My hopes are small. Most of these beaches are rocky--not real tourist friendly, but one could launch a kayak, take a swim or a
snorkel, fish from shore (and not catch much) or just pull up a rock and watch the sea. "Rancho Notri" has also blocked access to the west side of the
highway and a great canyon leading into the sierra gigantes. I don't understand it. It's greedy, egotistical, and mean. There I go, getting myself
wound up again.
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capn.sharky
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Playa Ensenada Blanca was visited by Profeppa a month ago and told they had to leave the beach open. Profeppa forced them to put in the gate and
leave it open for all to us. A fine was issued. The others mentioned, I don't know about. All beaches in Mexico have to be left open for the
Mexican public to use. Of course, who wants to have to fight with a guard to get on the beach.
If there is no fishing in heaven, I am not going
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djh
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Mood: Mellow fellow, plays a yellow cello...
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bob and jane
I was mystified why some rancher (it's marked "Rancho Notri, propiedad privada, prohibido entrar") would deny access to his land. . . I asked a city
official. Turns out "Rancho Notri" is Loreto Bay. And most of the rest of the beaches all the way to Ligui belong to Loreto Bay,
according to the official I talked to. . . It's greedy, egotistical, and mean. . . . |
B&J... Hope you don't mind, I removed a few sentences from your quote . . . I think you've hit the nail on the head !
djh
Its all just stuff and some numbers.
A day spent sailing isn\'t deducted from one\'s life.
Peace, Love, and Music
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Sharksbaja
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I hate to say I told you so.
But I told you so, Over two years ago it was obvious to me when Butterfield mentioned options to purchase adjacent land. I figure they will get
pressured into selling some of their beach holdings.
And just like I predicted, the cancer will spread from it's metastasized beginning.
Funny how "public access" takes backseat to big bucks.
Funny how some people think these guys give a crap about the residents. Oh, that's right, they are building a hospital.
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Capt. George
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New York to Rhode Island to Cape Cod to North Carolina to the Florida Keys to Central Florida Lakes, close, close, close, no access, no access, no
access....
Baja and Alaska, how long will they be safe?
The fools and their money are moving in with many more to come..
"you ain't seen nothin yet" is the tip of the iceberg.......
lo siento gp
\"The penalty good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men\" Plato
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Marla Daily
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Rancho Notri
Rancho Notri has been owned by the Ortega family for over half a century.
Enrique and Doris Ortega bought the property in the 1950s, and today it continues to be owned by their four children—not Loreto Bay.
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Bob and jane
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Marla, I am glad to hear that. I guess the official I talked to had incorrect information. Could you tell us why they have blocked access to the
beach and the canyon?
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Bob and jane
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Marla Daily,
I would really like to hear from you here. I just talked to a friend here in Loreto--he was born and raised here---and he said that the original
owner died and that his wife and son were not interested in the property. They apparently live in Mexico City. Taxes were owed on the property. Our
friend understood that family members walked away from the property. He did not know what the current status is, but it sounds to us as if Loreto Bay
or Fonatur could easily have stepped into the void. Can you fill us in on the actual status of the property. And if the Ortegas still own it all,
why they closed off access. I am anxious to get your insights.
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capn.sharky
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"Oh, that's right, they are building a hospital." Another falsehood they are
spreading. They donated $14,000 or $18,000 USD towards the building of the hospital. If I could spread as much crap around as Loreto Bay does, I
could turn all of Baja green. The general feeling is that they will collect all these deposits, and one day disappear with the money. Boy, that
would really be something.........Its been done before in Baja.
If there is no fishing in heaven, I am not going
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Capt. George
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capn.sharky
how are you? doing any fishing?
me & Deborah in florida wondering why? gotta divest and move home to Baja, summer in AK
george
\"The penalty good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men\" Plato
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capn.sharky
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George--read your U2U, Russ
If there is no fishing in heaven, I am not going
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Marla Daily
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I can only repeat what I have already posted: Rancho Notri has been, and continues to be owned by the Ortega family, none of whom lives in Mexico
City. I am not sure what else you would like to know or what it is, exactly, that you are questioning. Around the world, people fence their property.
I find nothing unusual or nefarious about someone fencing their land, containing their livestock, etc.
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Bob and jane
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Marla, thanks for answering my post. I certainly do not mean to lambast the Ortega family. I remain surprised that after centuries of owning the
property they have chosen now to put berms over the access roads to the beaches at Notri. It is not a livestock issue and I had not seen any abuse of
the area. It is their right to build fences, but providing access to beaches is supposed to be the law in Mexico. And I continue to be confused by the
conflicting information I am getting about the ownership of the property. A government official has told me it belongs to Loreto Bay, a Loretano has
told me there are liens against the property and the heirs are in Mexico City, and you tell me the Ortega family continues to own it. Perhaps all of
the above are true. I guess I'll shrug my shoulders as the locals do and see where we go from here.
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bancoduo
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Marla Daily
I can only repeat what I have already posted: Rancho Notri has been, and continues to be owned by the Ortega family, none of whom lives in Mexico
City. I am not sure what else you would like to know or what it is, exactly, that you are questioning. Around the world, people fence their property.
I find nothing unusual or nefarious about someone fencing their land, containing their livestock, etc. |
Why
don't you ask your friends why they fenced there land off? We would like to know.
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jerry
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its a sad thing but it really doesnt make any difference who owns it or has controll of the land whoever does has the right to do as they feel with
thier land ??they may be public beaches but does the landowner have to give access over his property brovide roads? can he not fence creat burms?? or
for that matter take all roads off his property?? its mexico im not gona make the call
jerry and judi
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jerry
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perhaps its an option or lease that the person in controll decides what he wantes to do??
jerry and judi
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Don Alley
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| Quote: | Originally posted by jerry
its a sad thing but it really doesnt make any difference who owns it or has controll of the land whoever does has the right to do as they feel with
thier land ??they may be public beaches but does the landowner have to give access over his property brovide roads? can he not fence creat burms?? or
for that matter take all roads off his property?? its mexico im not gona make the call |
I don't know what the law is in Mexico...perhaps they have laws that restrict a landowner from closing existing, open roads that have been habitually
used for access by the public? There are similar laws in some US states. I won't be making that call either, but I'd like to see someone make the
call, one way or another, and I'd want them to hear from others besides developers, ranchers, and API port bureaucrats.
A year or so ago, a Loreto area developer staked out lots across an existing beach access road. Rather than shrugging it off, we posted it here, spoke
to a newspaper reporter, who said he'd talk to the mayor...a meeting was held, the lots replotted, the road remained open, and there is now signed
public access to the beach through the development.
Efforts to close Juncalito Beach were also opposed. Those efforts have ended, for now, and the beach remains open.
The north beach has been closed at Ensenada Blanca. Residents have filed complaints that have reportedly come to the interest of the legislature in La
Paz.
And one of the things that made Baja a little different than the US, and perhaps a little better: not every landowner felt obligated to post all
private land with No Trespassing signs. Sad to see that changing.
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Paula
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We drove down to Notri today. I was confused by all of the seemingly conflicting information floating around about the property, and wanted to see it
for myself. There are indeed berms on the beach side. One has been dug out and driven through. On the mountain side all roads have gates with this
sign posted close by. The signs are here and there on the beach side also. Out of curiosity I called the California number on the sign and got an
answering machine that told me I had reached Rob's home office, and to leave a message for a return call. So, Bob and Jane, perhaps all of the above
really are true.
We drove on down to Puerto Escondido and saw the new gate that closes off the free parking lot that shore fishermen use. I learned in conversation
with a local down there that people can park on the street outside of the gate and walk to the edge to fish. The pier is off limits, and beginning in
February there will be no more shore fishing allowed. We have a neighbor who has fished there most Sundays of his fifty-some years-- guess he'll have
to find a new spot.
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