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pargo
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| Quote: | Originally posted by pargo
Yes Summanus, that is the critter that chased me! |
It... chased you? Any idea why? I've been within a a couple meters of a number of those critters and never had the
feeling they were at all interested in me. 
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Not sure why lench. I was at the little taco place across the street from Dona Rosas in BOLA. For whatever reason the thing was just fixated on me. It
was hanging around buzzing loudly for awhile when it suddenly made a B-line right at me. This when all bets are off and i run like hell. It just
wouldn't relent. It was down right frightening to me but hilarious to everyone else. This must have went on for at least 3-4 minutes....go figure
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pargo
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Just a little deodorant under the arms nothing else. Not one for colognes and such. Maybe it was something I said
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Certain colors will set some bugs off as well as scents.
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rob
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Really interesting - here on the ranch at the Pacific coast we get a huge wasp-like creature (which I didn't recognize from the photos in this
thread), but which my ranch fireman calls "toro de uva" (bull of the grapes) and said if you ever get stung by one you'll remember it . . .. it's huge
and flies with the undercariage in the down position, kind of like a Concord in landing mode. Makes a noise like a small chain saw.
Summamus says "Brown Recluse spider..a non-aggresive spider, very gentle bite, non-lethal, the toxin starts to hurt a bit later, and the wound can
take a while to heal."
This is putting it extremely mildly - while the Brown Recluse may well be gentle and non- aggressive - a short search of the Internet will show you
that it is one of the most terrifying of the venomous spiders. It's bite will never kill you directly, in fact for a while you will not notice it -
then a reddish swelling will appear, and then (but not in all cases) something horrible called "arachnidic necrosis".
Necrosis (I am no doctor) refers to flesh dying - and that's exactly what happens. Around the bite, the flesh begins to die. What I could NOT find is
whether the brown recluse injects a venom that causes the necrosis, or takes a short cut and uses the flesh-eating bacteria that hospitals are
familiar with.
If you are in the mood for a particularly nasty body of knowledge - just Goggle "Brown Recluse spider" . . .
Rob
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Oh baby...
A co-worker who cooked on boats was bitten by a recluse while at sea. The wound got progressively worse and it took 3 operations and 9 months to heal.
It left a scar like a 44 mag would. He also contacted the bad form of measles that adults can get. He was told the spider was somehow responsible.
Yikes!
My brother got it on the hand by a black widow. Giant red swelling of the hand and quite hot and painful. Recovered in a week or so. These damn
hornets here in Oregon will chase your sorry ass down no matter how fast you run. I saw my wife and sister disturb an in-ground nest. It was like a
cartoon. They went sceaming and running by me with a string of hornets after them. Funny thing was, they just ignored me and kept after them. They got
nailed by many of them.
My bite(s) and subsequent hospitalization from a young rattler tho got first prize from mom. It did not hurt till the fourth day. After that it felt
like a freshly broken bone.
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Doug/Vamonos
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Killer Wasp
About seven years ago my wife and I were camping at Geckos and one of these landed in our camp. It was wild looking and big. About three inches long.
It looked like a cross between a wasp, praying mantis and who knows what else. I remember describing it to Doc but can't remember what he said it was.
Never seen one since. It was one serious looking bug.
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Tarantulas and Wasps
Thank you all so much for all this good info re these critters.
I havenīt been on here much lately as I have been so busy building on my property here in Baja Sur at the Hot Springs near Santiago ...El Chorro to be
exact.
So, one day I am leveling off some ground and out walks a Tarantula..WHOA!!!! Was I ever surprized....being from Victoria BC Canada I am not used to
seeing these guys in my back yard!!! So I caught him (or her) and put him in a large see through container with sand and a rock to hide under...and
fed him lots of big juicy cricketts (he loves cricketts)...a few days later Iīm digging a ditch for my water line and out comes another Tarantula....I
caught it as well and put him (or her) in the same container...thinking that they may enjoy each otherīs company....Nope!!!! The next morning one
dead spider had to be removed..Oh! Oh! Sorry!!! I still have one left. I know is not the original spider because he has a different sleeping
pattern, and I swear a different personality...also, he does not eat as much. Ha!! Wonder of all wonders!!!...Now with the info that Iīve got from
this post I may just start training him to retrieve tooth picks!!
There are also tons of Tarantula wasps around and they do not seem to be agressive but will be sure now to stay on their good side!!
Shari, I was wondering if the wasp you speak of is kinda rusty in color with some yellow stripes??? Lotsa those around too. I was just over at Cabo
Pulmo for a few days swimming with the fishes and I saw loads of them.
Thanks tons for the info I will be more careful in future.
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sounds like Shari's sister-in-law had an allergic reaction to the toxin
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anaphylaxis
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Whoah, how creepy this thread has become! Yep we have some of those helicopter type noisy tarantula wasps(called matavibora here) but that is NOT what
bit Lupita. This flying critter was reddish and small and skinny without stripes and the doctor said the reaction was normal for this very venomous
insect, not an allergic reaction. An interesting point about tarantulas is that we often see them a day or two before it rains....they come out of
their holes so they don't drown!
[Edited on 1-7-2007 by shari]
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Halboo
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Shari,
If you saw a picture of the offending insect would you recognize it?
I've never known mud daubers or paper wasps to be agressive.
I'm really curious what it was.
[Edited on 1-12-2007 by Halboo]
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Got this picture of a Matavenado in San Nicolas
We had lots of them.
Check out the little white tip on the end of the antenna that is in front of his fangs. That substance was very sticky, and he could support his
entire weight, briefly, by the grip of one antenna. That's how he draws his prey into the fangs.
Although of four men who have lived in the village, up to 71 years, who spoke with me about Matavenado, none had ever been stung. They had no direct
knowledge of a sting except that Benjamin said that there was a tremendous fever involved, and that if you couldn't get to the yerbas that Chico has
for the purpose, you needed to go to a clinic.
Ben also said that few humans were bitten because the spider has to get his fangs around a portion of body then he injects his (supposed) "venom". We
don't offer very many places where he can get a bite!
Everyone agreed that the damage done by a Matavenado was "three times as bad as a scorpion." Everyone.
Perhaps the fact that he is harmless has helped to perpetuate the myth. If he was actually doing three times as much damage as an alacran, he
wouldn't be one of the last bugs we learn about. People would be getting stung, and everyone would know about it. As far as anybody knows, you get a
bad fever, the story doesn't get changed because there can never be a sting with conflicting symptoms.
[Edited on 1-12-2007 by vgabndo]
Undoubtedly, there are people who cannot afford to give the anchor of sanity even the slightest tug. Sam Harris
"The situation is far too dire for pessimism."
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Halboo
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"my sister in law got stung by a matavenado which is a very small wasp, kind of reddish brown in color and about an inch and a half long...almost
looks like a big flying ant."
That description sure don' fit the photo above which looks like some kind of Wind Scorpion. No wings for sure.
Also, my copy of the Audubon Insect Field Guide and all other research I've done says windscorpians,sunspiders and Vinegaroons, ugly buggers tho'
they may be, do NOT have poison glands and are harmless to humans. Some like Vinegaroons have a defensive acetic acid excretion, but nothing deadly.
I'm really curious!
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Nope that's not the sucker that stung her, yep I'd know it if I saw a picture, doesnt' look anything like a spider or scorpion, skinny runt but long
body. Like I mentioned different folks have different names for these critters.Keep trying nomads.
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Halboo
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Maybe somthing more like this Shari?
These wasps are male "velvet ants" and they are known in the Southwest US as cowkillers due to the pain of their stings.
Cow killer= Deer Killer?
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Here's another look at the business end.
It gets dark early, I had lots of time to play with the digital macro and my laptop charged on the gennie.
Undoubtedly, there are people who cannot afford to give the anchor of sanity even the slightest tug. Sam Harris
"The situation is far too dire for pessimism."
Bill Kauth
Carl Sagan said, "We are a way for the cosmos to know itself."
PEACE, LOVE AND FISH TACOS
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Wandering thread
Solpugid. Wind scorpion. Sun spider. Camel spider.
Don't know how we got there from a wasp, but we've been there before.
http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=14092#pid1180...
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vgabndo
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Uh, because Matavenado is in the name of the thread???
Undoubtedly, there are people who cannot afford to give the anchor of sanity even the slightest tug. Sam Harris
"The situation is far too dire for pessimism."
Bill Kauth
Carl Sagan said, "We are a way for the cosmos to know itself."
PEACE, LOVE AND FISH TACOS
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Halboo
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The thread begins like this
"A couple days ago, my sister in law got stung by a matavenado which is a very small wasp, kind of reddish brown in color and about an inch and a half
long...almost looks like a big flying ant."
AND
the thread you posted mentions that they are not venomous as did I .....
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Halboo, you are closest yet...but the front end looks wrong but the wings and butt are similar but the top half was red too like the back end, but
this is very close indeed...well done.
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Halboo
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There are several types and they are widespread and do live in Baja; almost assuredly a type of mutillidae (cow killer).
These guys agree
http://www.whatsthatbug.com/index.html
If you read this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutillidae
it may explain why the locals believe they are capable of killing a large mammal.
[Edited on 1-13-2007 by Halboo]
[Edited on 1-13-2007 by Halboo]
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