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burro bob
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David, sometimes I spell things gabacho style. It is Cajon course.
Yes there used to several full timers out there in the houses at Agua Caliente. To the best of my knowledge those houses have always been called Agua
Caliente but I don't think it was ever considered a village or Poblado. No one there full time now. There is a Campo Eco Turistico being built at the
mouth of Canyon Agua Caliente. I am looking into selling some of my property off as 5 and 10 hectare ranches. I know of a couple of people that are
thinking along the same lines. I think it won't be too long before there a lot of full timers out in Vally Chico again.
The water for the golf course will come from wells on the property. Water, good enough for irrigating golf courses, is just a few meters below the
surface.
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David K
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Lou said they are working on the hot springs for development... That will be nice as they weren't too useable undeveloped.
Okay, so you are serious about a golf course!? Who is going to drive 20 miles from San Felipe (where the hotels are) or further from the north campos/
El Dorado people, to keep it in business?
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bajalou
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Big development will be coming to the south of San Felipe area before too long.
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David K
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You guys really know how to ruin my day, huh? 
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k1w1
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MrOstrichDooop
| Quote: | Originally posted by MrBillM
This is the first winter in many years (at least 10) living in the High Desert (Yucca Valley) that I've seen temps in the low teens. If it has
happened more recently, I must have bee in Baja. Wish I was there now. This a.m. at 0600 it was 12 degrees. Our midday high under clear skies and
calm winds is 30 degrees.
This Global Warming is a *b-tch*.
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sheeeez
"In Paris, where the report by the U.N. Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change was released, scientists and top officials called for new talks
toward an agreement among all nations to cut emissions. In Washington, lawmakers called the report the "scientific smoking gun" that puts to rest the
debate over whether warming is a danger to civilization.
Even the Bush administration embraced the report's findings, which were based on the work of hundreds of U.S. scientists. "
hmmmmm geee lemme think. Should I take scientist panel or some oakie from muskokie seriously re climate change?? hmmm tough decision. NOT
imbiciles (sp) everywhere! 
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David K
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Global warming happens... and has many times since the beginning of time... and man has NOTHING to do with it happening or not, as it happened before
man was here...
There's Global Cooling (Ice Ages) and Global warming (between the Ice ages), and it is....
NORMAL, FOLKS.
Volcanoes produce ozone depleting gasses many times more than all the man-made produced gasses.
Is the earth warming or cooling???
Just a few dozen years ago TIME magazine said we were at the start of a new Ice Age!!! Now, it is the opposite???
The truth is man hasn't been recording temeratures long enough to even see a pattern!!! What was 'normal' weather when we were kids compared to
today's weather being 'different' is hardly a way to judge climate change. Maybe the weather 40 years ago was the odd condition and today is the
normal condition???
Don't let those with political ambitions fool you with 'junk science' that says we are changing the earth's climate... without being honest about
recent volcanic eruptions being given the credit they deserve. America is not to blame, so don't let the U.N., France or Al Gore make you feel guilty.
Now, go have a nice day!
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k1w1
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ahoy?
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Global warming happens... and has many times since the beginning of time... and man has NOTHING to do with it happening or not, as it happened before
man was here...
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no argument there! that's just common simple knowledge!
But why would you simply discard the scientific evidence as to the effects of the industrial revolution?? This is what I don't understand.
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k1w1
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what???
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Just a few dozen years ago TIME magazine said we were at the start of a new Ice Age!!! Now, it is the opposite???
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r u serious??? which computer models were they working with a FEW dozen years ago?? holy guacamole
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David K
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Correction...
It was NEWSWEEK, April 28, 1975:
"The Cooling World" - by Peter Gwynne
April 28, 1975 Newsweek
There are ominous signs that the Earth’s weather patterns have begun to change dramatically and that these changes may portend a drastic decline in
food production – with serious political implications for just about every nation on Earth. The drop in food output could begin quite soon, perhaps
only 10 years from now.
The regions destined to feel its impact are the great wheat-producing lands of Canada and the U.S.S.R. in the North, along with a number of marginally
self-sufficient tropical areas – parts of India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Indochina and Indonesia – where the growing season is dependent upon the rains
brought by the monsoon.
The evidence in support of these predictions has now begun to accumulate so massively that meteorologists are hard-pressed to keep up with it. In
England, farmers have seen their growing season decline by about two weeks since 1950, with a resultant overall loss in grain production estimated at
up to 100,000 tons annually. During the same time, the average temperature around the equator has risen by a fraction of a degree – a fraction that in
some areas can mean drought and desolation. Last April, in the most devastating outbreak of tornadoes ever recorded, 148 twisters killed more than 300
people and caused half a billion dollars' worth of damage in 13 U.S. states.
To scientists, these seemingly disparate incidents represent the advance signs of fundamental changes in the world's weather. Meteorologists disagree
about the cause and extent of the trend, as well as over its specific impact on local weather conditions. But they are almost unanimous in the view
that the trend will reduce agricultural productivity for the rest of the century. If the climatic change is as profound as some of the pessimists
fear, the resulting famines could be catastrophic. “A major climatic change would force economic and social adjustments on a worldwide scale,” warns a
recent report by the National Academy of Sciences, “because the global patterns of food production and population that have evolved are implicitly
dependent on the climate of the present century.”
A survey completed last year by Dr. Murray Mitchell of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration reveals a drop of half a degree in average
ground temperatures in the Northern Hemisphere between 1945 and 1968. According to George Kukla of Columbia University, satellite photos indicated a
sudden, large increase in Northern Hemisphere snow cover in the winter of 1971-72. And a study released last month by two NOAA scientists notes that
the amount of sunshine reaching the ground in the continental U.S. diminished by 1.3% between 1964 and 1972.
To the layman, the relatively small changes in temperature and sunshine can be highly misleading. Reid Bryson of the University of Wisconsin points
out that the Earth’s average temperature during the great Ice Ages was only about seven degrees lower than during its warmest eras – and that the
present decline has taken the planet about a sixth of the way toward the Ice Age average.
Others regard the cooling as a reversion to the “little ice age” conditions that brought bitter winters to much of Europe and northern America between
1600 and 1900 – years when the Thames used to freeze so solidly that Londoners roasted oxen on the ice and when iceboats sailed the Hudson River
almost as far south as New York City.
Just what causes the onset of major and minor ice ages remains a mystery. “Our knowledge of the mechanisms of climatic change is at least as
fragmentary as our data,” concedes the National Academy of Sciences report. “Not only are the basic scientific questions largely unanswered, but in
many cases we do not yet know enough to pose the key questions.”
Meteorologists think that they can forecast the short-term results of the return to the norm of the last century. They begin by noting the slight drop
in overall temperature that produces large numbers of pressure centers in the upper atmosphere. These break up the smooth flow of westerly winds over
temperate areas. The stagnant air produced in this way causes an increase in extremes of local weather such as droughts, floods, extended dry spells,
long freezes, delayed monsoons and even local temperature increases – all of which have a direct impact on food supplies. “The world’s food-producing
system,” warns Dr. James D. McQuigg of NOAA’s Center for Climatic and Environmental Assessment, “is much more sensitive to the weather variable than
it was even five years ago.” Furthermore, the growth of world population and creation of new national boundaries make it impossible for starving
peoples to migrate from their devastated fields, as they did during past famines.
Climatologists are pessimistic that political leaders will take any positive action to compensate for the climatic change, or even to allay its
effects. They concede that some of the more spectacular solutions proposed, such as melting the Arctic ice cap by covering it with black soot or
diverting arctic rivers, might create problems far greater than those they solve. But the scientists see few signs that government leaders anywhere
are even prepared to take the simple measures of stockpiling food or of introducing the variables of climatic uncertainty into economic projections of
future food supplies. The longer the planners delay, the more difficult will they find it to cope with climatic change once the results become grim
reality.
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Did you read this, specially the last paragraph? "...They concede that some of the more spectacular solutions proposed, such as melting the Arctic ice
cap by covering it with black soot or diverting arctic rivers..."
1975 wasn't that long ago... I was in High School!
Just relax about this... Every 30 years these fund hungry 'scientists' will get the weak minded all rilled up with a new world disaster prediction and
public money will get channeled their way.
If one volcano's eruption produces more ozone depleting gasses than man has in the past 100 years, why are you worried? There are volcanic eruptions
every year!
The earth is mightier than us... have some faith!
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k1w1
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hahaha
1975??? hahaha weak minded hahahaha
oh well u have a great day.
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David K
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1975 ???
Yah, that was back in the dark ages, huh?
Remember, we walked on the moon in 1969... Or was that just pure luck because science and computers aren't good like in 2007???
Don't fall for every lib crisis... they just want your money and for you to not be smart enough to get along without them running things (gets them
votes). Trust in your instincts and God given abilities... Remember you are a natural part of the planet earth as much as zebra or redwood!
Man makes mistakes and fixes them, too. We should mind our impact on nature, balancing 'leave as is' with change. I dislike all kinds of 'progress',
but progress happens... if not here then somewhere else.
Conservative means to keep the good things going as they are, only change what isn't good... Conserve resources to ones needs... Live long and happy!
Why Baja? I love the outdoors, camping, hiking, four wheeling, the sea, the desert... all of which is in Baja California!
You have a great day, as well!
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