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Sharksbaja
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I've seen that before??
| Quote: | Originally posted by Summanus
Excellent point collection, abrejos. We have seen some of those, too. We hope all people will donate their finds to a local museum or create a free
public display for all to enjoy.
A old history-buff friend made this stone sculpture of what he thought early Baja man might have looked like. He spent many years traveling in Baja
studying their middens and paths. He gave it to me for a special occasion. I prize it highly.
It was stolen once; hence the bruise marks on it's face.
I recovered it; hence the bruise marks on the thief's face. |
Have you posted that here before Summanus?
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Summanus
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I may have, sharks. My wife tells me I am somewhat repetitive.
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Osprey
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Just so we don't miss the point, it matters little how the visitors got here -- NOBODY STAYED. If they walked, ran or floated, if they got here about
when the cave painting were done, to become the Pericue they would have to stick around for over 6,000 years. I DON'T THINK SO. Cataviņa area is
pretty but it's not the Imperial Valley and never was. 6,000 year old civilizations are easy to find because they leave behind giant people centers,
ruins of people who organized enough to stick it out.
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FARASHA
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 So where did they go then? Anybody knows?
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Cypress
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I'm thinking they just rolled with the punches and adapted. They're still there.  
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The Spaniards killed them with disease. It is well documented that 80-90 pecent of a region would by wiped out by disease. Before the Spaniards,
there is little known history. There is plenty of evidence to show that mankind lived all over Baja. I find tools, pictographs everywhere. They
were no Maya - with stone monuments, etc. - but most of the California indigenous lived in thatched roof homes, were seasonally nomadic. Also, most
civilizations are not "pure" - and habitation sites are created, abandoned, re-discovered, re-built, etc. over aeons. The Anasazi were plagued with
war and draught - their numbers began to split up as smaller groups began to split off and joined other tribes over a period of time. The same
questions can be applied to any ancient culture anywhere in the world. Modern day catastrophe can provide a hint as to what became of some of them -
hurricanes, floods, tidal waves, drought - the worthless spent soil in Bangladesh which can no longer support a population resulting in starvation.
It is also known that habitants of Baja crossed the gulf, and also traveled up and down the California and Baja coast. The cave on Todos Santos
island is (was) full of artifacts suggesting long term habitation, on a seasonal or full time basis.
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Iflyfish
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Fascinating topic. Will read more when internet connection better. Always good to hear from Osprey!
Last year, year before American woman takes over a museum, she used to work with a Coroner in a large metropolitan area. She was wanting to establish
the state of the objects when she took over. She ordered tests on the mummies in the collection that were gathered in the 19th century. She by habit
ordered a drug screen on the check off list as she had routinely done in the Coroners office not thinking about the results. The results: They found
marijuana, tobacco and cocaine in these mummies. Well this caused a great bruha in the History Writers community. Some speculated contamination by
workers from the 19th century when people were eating ground mummies as a remedy for various ills.
In the following year another researcher tested a group of mummies gathered in the 18th Century and housed in Germany, I believe. They found the same
things.
What do Tobacco, Marijuana and Cocaine all have in common, in addition to their consciousness altering properties? They are all from the New World.
There had to have been trade between Egypt and Latin America at some time.
The map posted by Summanas is a really good one. There are in addition others who posit that there was a washing north-south and then back and forth a
number of times. Think wave going south and then hitting the end of the continant and then washing back again.
Great Post.
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Iflyfish
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Osprey,
I personaly will migrate south and then back north. You are right at least about some of us.
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Iflyfish
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P.S. Nomads, I don't intend to leave my skull.
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Your skull would be of little archealogical value because it's not dolichocepalic (the neat, thin, amazing ones that are teaching us so much about
world travel). If you leave fish carcasses and fish lips all up and down the sides of this little finger of land your notoriety will be assured but
if you just tell everybody about the ones that got away you'll gain instant anonymity. You're already having way too much fun down here.
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