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Anna.Cearley has already slanted the story if she only wants input from people who have paid bribes. What about people who have never paid or been
asked for bribes.
I would think that if she were writing a legitimate article she would want the whole picture......good and bad. To my way of thinking, she would be
better served by poling people as they crossed the border back into the US and ask how many had paid bribes.
Asking for input from people on this forum who have had a bad experience is going to get a very slanted view of what is really happening.
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It's always the same........moto cops usually, sit up there on the toll road exits to the border and wait for targets. They profile you. They know who
to pull over. They just don't know how you'll respond do they? They have it down, no matter what you say. They may strike out occasionally but I'll
bet their batting avg is above 750. We all know the drill. It's yer call.  :moon:  
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Oh Jeeez ----
If somebody unknown , calling herself Anna Cearley from the Trib, dropped in and asked the world how many times you slid your hand down into the front
of your pants while a watching wrestling match, would you answer?
I mean, I know who Anna Cearley is but, I dont know who this person, calling herself AC is.
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one subject at a time, maybe? if there are no responses the woman has no story. that's why she wouldn't ask at the port of entry how many returning
gringos submitted to the bite. it does seem VERY presumptious (sp?, bruce?:lol to
kill the messenger before she even gets started.
after all, you don't have to read what she writes, do you?
and i think most people who have made more than a handful of trips will have a story to regurgitate on the subject of the mordida.
BTW, my last experience ended with the cop handing my license back and burning rubber after reading the back of my license where the phone number to
the Sindicatura was proudly displayed.
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OXXO...I don't get it. Why would she need to learn what is known by people who have never been pulled over and have never paid a bribe. She already
knows. They know nothing directly about the subject. The thing to do would be to get a clean (high ranking) cop to go with a decoy, isolate one of
the criminal moto cops and go through his ticket book.
The guy who ripped me off had a stack of written tickets in his book, including mine, and I KNOW we wasn't about to give me a copy. If the scum was
REALLY taking the money to the station as he claims, there would be a fine paper trail.
For every ticket in his book, or every serial number for which no completed ticket could be found...how about six months in jail. Might be something
of an attention getter.
OK...thats as long as I'm going to hold MY breath.
Undoubtedly, there are people who cannot afford to give the anchor of sanity even the slightest tug. Sam Harris
"The situation is far too dire for pessimism."
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I agree..
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Anna.Cearley has already slanted the story if she only wants input from people who have paid bribes. What about people who have never paid or been
asked for bribes.
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The question does lead a viewer to respond catagorically. That makes the viewer suspicious. Good point!
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Quote: | Originally posted by Sharksbaja
How many times were you pulled over and then ended up at the station to settle up? |
about 8 times I have gone to the station and paid a fine every one I deserved.
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Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
Oh Jeeez ----
If somebody unknown , calling herself Anna Cearley from the Trib, dropped in and asked the world how many times you slid your hand down into the front
of your pants while a watching wrestling match, would you answer?
I mean, I know who Anna Cearley is but, I dont know who this person, calling herself AC is. |
I don't doubt that it is her I just don't like this kind of journalism
Bruce R Leech
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Sharky, I disagree. (which is kind of rare, I usually agree with you)
vgabndo has his head screwed on right!!
vgabndo writes:
"I don't get it. Why would she need to learn what is known by people who have never been pulled over and have never paid a bribe. She already knows.
They know nothing directly about the subject. "
Bedman
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Woody... I think you have one of the better ideas. With the sindicatura thing. The thug who got me last looked very carefully at the stickers on my
truck I wish I had followed through and made some xerox copies of the sind. logo and plastered them on my windows.
A badged thief in Ensenada once held me for 20 minutes waiting for me to give in. When we got around to the Mexican tourism decal on the back of my
trailer that said in Spanish "Tourism is beneficial to everyone" he finally handed back my license and went off looking for someone more nieve.
Although I know I don't have the stones to really do it, I daydream about taking huge numbers of photographs of the cop before he even opens his mouth
to "bite".
Undoubtedly, there are people who cannot afford to give the anchor of sanity even the slightest tug. Sam Harris
"The situation is far too dire for pessimism."
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Who knows?
Anna Cearley might be doct who might be sackmeister
Stranger things have happened.........
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Bedman...which part
I had no problem qualifing her as legit or the post itself. It would have been acceptable from a regular Nomad. But now it's a problem of
journalistic gain gleaned from selective quieries.
The question she presented only targeted people that had experience with bribes and cops. That is an old story here.
There is a huge audience with this subject and why? That part is obvious because so many regular travelers become a statistic.
I will agree to that this approach is leveled probably at gathering info for a story already in the works. What I don't see is all the people who
have been thru all this being so miffed.
It peees me off that those motocops continue to do this. I paid the piper once. Next time, we'll see??? If the time spent or the charge outwieghs
the 20 bucks I could swing either way.
Wish they would actually pay the fine for you as the claim. Do they?? I mean after all, you are suppose to believe what they say.....right? 
[Edited on 1-23-2007 by Sharksbaja]
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Quote: | Originally posted by vgabndo
Why would she need to learn what is known by people who have never been pulled over and have never paid a bribe. |
So she can write a story that will show the exact magnitude of the problem. The danger is writing a story that will paint every policeman in Mexico
with a negative broadbrush. Yes, it does happen, but to what extent?
I have been traveling in Mexico for 40 years and have been pulled over twice and I deserved it both times. Both times I was told to get on my way
with a warming of "be careful." No ticket, no mordida, nothing. Was I lucky? Yes. Is my experience an anomoly or is it the more typical experience
in Mexico? My brother-in-law refuses to drive in Mexico because he has heard all the bad stories. Has he ever been pulled over? No, but he has
heard all the stories.
I too want to expose the corrupt cops, But Anna.Cearley's methodology is already suspect and is likely to do more harm than good.
[Edited on 1-23-2007 by oxxo]
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what ever it is just say yes and say can i pay here and nbow?
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Let me get this straight-
mee-no is minnow
pompano morphed into SUMMANUS
Oso = Grover
Bruce Leach is Elvis
Doc sackmiester is A.C.
JZ is at 666 and is playing devils advocate
THE MINNOW must be lost!!!!!
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I am not a part of the female anatomy
I am mearly a bottom feeder
THE MINNOW must be lost!!!!!
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and you know more than most here
Quote: | Originally posted by coconaco
Let me get this straight-
mee-no is minnow
pompano morphed into SUMMANUS
Oso = Grover
Bruce Leach is Elvis
Doc sackmiester is A.C.
JZ is at 666 and is playing devils advocate |
so who are you?
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There are two types of 'mordida', right?
1) The cop pulls you over to give you a ticket and HE tells you you have to pay him the money.
2) The cop pulls you over to give you a ticket and YOU ask him if he can take your money and pay the fine for you.
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Precisely!
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Two things of note:
1. The original posting was made from the offices of the San Diego Union-Tribune. For me, that seems, well, prettttty legit enough.
2. The request was for specific information. There was nothing in that request indicating what the story was about entirely though. I would think
that's just one piece of the puzzle in whatever is being addressed with this.
My stories would be of being stopped and waiting it out until I was told I could go. About once-a-year on average.
Interesting item that I *KNOW* got me targeted one time in Tijuana.... my surfboard in the back of the pickup. They were waiting for me at the top of
the cloverleaf approaching the border. The motorcycle officer was off his motorcycle and waving all the cars ahead of me by, and signaled for me to
pull over. Someone else had "radioed ahead" to he and his partner of my speed along the Int'l Blvd.
I waited that one out too, and he gave me the same "drive careful" bit as Mexray had indicated in another post.
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