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AmoPescar
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Sometimes...some of you are...SO OUT OF LINE, SO PARANOID, and/or SUCH marooonS when it comes to your replies!!!!
If you've ever read any of the SAN DIEGO UNION TRIBUNE's articles which Nomads post here, you'd know that ANNA CEARLY is a reporter for them. She
gave her e-mail address with uniontrib.com in it. Before jumping to some off-beat conclusion, you simply could have gone to that
".com" address and looked her up. You then could have read some of her articles from the archives and seen what her past topics on Baja have been
about. You would have seen that she is a fair and reliable reporter and that if anything, she is ON OUR SIDE (Baja lovers).
Why would anyone make a post using her name??? That's sure a paranoid thought if I ever heard one.
I am sure that here motives are good. She's a REPORTER, who covers Baja for the Union Tribune, and she wants to write a story about Baja Travelers
and there encounters with the Policia. That makes PERFECT SENSE to me!!!TOO BAD YOU don't have enough sense to understand that.
I await your scathing replies!!!
Amo Pescar 
[Edited on 1-23-2007 by AmoPescar]
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bajadave1
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Amo,
I agree. AND, who's to say the she is slanting a story, when it has not been published????????????????????
Seems to me she could be researching many different aspects to a
POSSIBLE story.
Bajadave
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Pescador
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Now I am totally confused, Bruce is worried that this woman may have a slant on reporting accurately what happened and yet, if my memory serves me
correctly, he was accused of a bias in the reporting of the "crime wave" in Mulege by another reporter.
I don't really understand the issue being raised. Anyone with any time in Mexico has, most likely, had at least some encounter with a policeman
making some traffic accusation but they seem to not write an actual ticket and are willing to negotiate the actual cost of the fine. What if she
wanted to write a story of the times you had been ripped off at a Pemex station. These topics have all been talked about extensively on this forum as
well as the old Baja Amigos forum. It seems to me there is some problem present if everyone keeps talking about it. I don't always see this as a
terrible social slam on Mexico, but perhaps a little information may be a way of combatting the problem. I certainly try to tell my friends about how
to handle the situation of being "hit upon" by a mexican policeman. I know the advise of this forum as well as others has been to tell the person
very clearly that you do not wish to pay him directly but that you would like to go the the Justicia to see what the actual fine is. And, in most
cases, the nice policeman goes on to another person who is easier to get money from.
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villadelfin
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Have you ever been stopped, paid a bribe, and complained to the consulate or the San Diego Police Department?
Quote: | Originally posted by Bordernews1
I prefer to find people who filed some sort of a report with the U.S. Consulate, or through San Diego Police Department's program, but I invite
others to write me as well.
Thanks for your attention. Anna |
Have all forgotten the real question? She states that she is looking for people who have filed a report of complaint. I myself can see value in an
investigation as to what happens if we use US government official offices to help us when we were asked to pay a bribe.
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jimgrms
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I personelly don't see where a story on bribes to cops in a american paper is going to do a hell of a lot to stop it in baja jmho,,,,jim
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M
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Well said Amo...
My thoughts exactly! WHAT in the hell is going on on this board that a simple request from a known journalist is right off the bat taken as suspect
and given such rude responses to a woman who politely requested some personal experiences? Nice welcome to the Nomads board guys...
Cudos to those that actually took the time to investigate her credentials, though to me, even that seemed unncesesary, how many times has this very
subject been hashed out on this board?
Was anybody else grilled regarding their intentions for posting their experiences? NOT!
Give the lady a break, she was up front and polite, and we greeted her with a load of crap. Lighten up!
M
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losfrailes
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Of what value is there attacking a well known accredited journalist.
If you have ever been faced with the prospect of paying mordida, then you have an experience to relate if you care to. If never faced with that
experience then you have nothing to add.
This attempt at gathering information about a segment of the TiJuana police force is certainly in keeping with the current situation in that city.
Note that the suspicions leveled at this ladies credentials are voiced by noone who took the time to investigate who she was.
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/mexico/tijuana/20070123-9...
Now who will have something to add regarding her current article, under her byline, in the San Diego Union Tribune.
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Cypress
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No personal experiences in Baja, but have been the victim of a few "speed traps" in the USA.
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oxxo
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Quote: | Originally posted by BajaNomad
My stories would be of being stopped and waiting it out until I was told I could go. About once-a-year on average. |
So the question becomes: Is someone pulled over once a year on average because they are breaking the law or are they being targeted with trumped up
charges by the Mexican police? I think that is the question. Some people report being pulled over more often than others. Is it because they
deserve it or because they are unlucky? I don't know, but the answer would be interesting.
Certainly, some of the speed limits in Mexico seem to be pretty unreasonable, but it is Mexico, it is their country, and the law is there for them to
enforce.....even if it appears to be selective. I have the option of boycotting Mexico if I don't like the way things are done there.
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surfer jim
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After reading all this I am "dissapointed" that my first reply was ..."welcome to NOMADS...."
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bancoduo
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And it wasn't even full moon.:moon:
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losfrailes
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Quote: | Originally posted by surfer jim
After reading all this I am "dissapointed" that my first reply was ..."welcome to NOMADS...." |
Don't castigate yourself because of a minority part of this boards uncaring members. She deserves an apology from a number of people on this board.
God forbid that those same people ever need any assistance requiring help from someone under similar circumstances.
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fdt
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New way to ask for mordida
A well informed Baja California traveler is a smart Baja California traveler!
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Bajalover
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Well now Does this mean that I have a good chance of being pulled over
because I'm going south through TJ:
1- I have a hugh orange kayak on my truck
2- pulling a 30ft Coors Can (shiny 2004 airstream trailer)
3- drive slowly to avoid hitting anyone
 Do I
wait out the Police to see if I can get away with out paying 
Sometimes you really do question; why you are and where you are.
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Cincodemayo
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I think the gal is ready to do an article on how uptight a simple question can get on travel forums. Time to break out the cervezas people!
Actually I think she's an informant for the Mexican Mafia
Don\'t get mad...
Get EVEN.
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AmoPescar
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jimgrms...and others…
Quote: | Originally posted by jimgrms
I personelly don't see where a story on bribes to cops in a american paper is going to do a hell of a lot to stop it in baja jmho,,,,jim
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I can't believe you (or anyone else) can't understand...why a story on that subject might help STOP the problem!!!!
Baja tourism officials, business owners, government officials, etc., all HATE that type of BAD publicity. It‘s a well known fact, that Baja's economy
receives a huge boost from tourism dollars. When negative stories like that are written, it's just one more thing that makes tourists think twice
about crossing the border.
We've all read on Baja Nomad, in the newspapers, or seen on TV news, about the Mexican government's crack down on crime in their country. They don't
want corrupt cops working for them and they're trying to do something about.
A story by a prominent newspaper in a large border city might just put some more pressure on the government to do something about the problem. The
San Diego Union Tribune is owned and published by Copley Newspapers, which own several other newspapers published in large cities. Often when these
stories are written here, they are published in many other newspapers across the U.S. So it can have a far reaching effect, well beyond San Diego.
Also, I know that the San Diego TV news stations often steal stories from the Union Tribune and air them. I’ve seen this many times, where a story is
published in the morning paper and is on TV by the afternoon news broadcast.
If we love Baja as much as we say, instead of becoming wary, paranoid or critical of an effort, we should do anything we can do to help make Baja a
better place.
As someone wrote earlier, I think a few of the negative posters owe Anna Cearly a personal apology for the rude way they treated her, and for
questioning her motives.
Sadly, the Baja Nomad board and all it’s members could be a valuable and reliable source of information for the newspaper and news stations reporters
who do stories on Baja. But unless amends are made, I doubt that Anna will ever ask here again…and maybe not any of her media colleagues either!!!!
AMO PESCAR
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Cincodemayo
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Amo...She's most likely shaking her head thinking WTF was that about?
Don\'t get mad...
Get EVEN.
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Sharksbaja
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in my mail...
"I am afraid to post because I get eaten alive by those sharks out there. Some people are just too intense, and this board gets deeper and deeper and
deeper.....
the thread got back on track so I didn't want to derail it again.
Thanks for not eating me!"
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Geez, is this how folks are seeing us.
Chill out forchristssake! Or for your own sake!
DON\'T SQUINT! Give yer eyes a break!
Try holding down [control] key and toggle the [+ and -] keys
Viva Mulege!
Nomads\' Sunsets
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AmoPescar
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Cincodemayo...
Quote: | Originally posted by Cincodemayo
Amo...She's most likely shaking her head thinking WTF was that about? |
I'm sure that's what she was thinking. She asked for help... from what she thought would be a good, reliable source, and all she got was a ration of
S _ _ T !!!!
AMO PESCAR 
[Edited on 1-24-2007 by AmoPescar]
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Cypress
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Heck, it's cheaper to pay on the spot! You avoid the the lost time, court costs,
taxes, increased insurance rates, etc.
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