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tripledigitken
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PARAISO DEL MAR---3,000 homes La Paz
I am reading the March 19, 2007 edition of Engineering News-Record and see this advertizement.
Want Ads...Position "Director of Construction"
Where...La Paz (El Magote)
What..1246 acres, zoned for 3000 homes and condo's, 36 holes of golf, large marina, and a retail pavillon.
$2 billion, 12 year master plan.
Congrats or Condolencies depending on your point of view.
[Edited on 3-28-2007 by tripledigitken]
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vandenberg
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Been in the works for years. Going forward at Mexican flank speed 
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tripledigitken
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| Quote: | Originally posted by vandenberg
Been in the works for years. Going forward at Mexican flank speed |
I seemed to recall some discussion of developement out on El Magote.
Good point on Mexican speed. Wonder when they started the 12 year timeline?
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bajajazz
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The only development project I've heard of that's dumber than building 24 new golf courses in an area that can't supply its water needs now, is the
idea of building two of them on El Mogote. Construction of any kind on Mogote is asinine -- it's hot as hell in the summer and cold and blowy in the
winter. Also fundamentally unstable, Mogote is nothing more than a pile of accreted sand sitting on a slurry of mud, the kind of medium that
amplifies earthquake tremors exponentially. There's a reason earthquake insurance is not available here -- the Sea of Cortez IS the San Andreas Fault
-- and any lender who puts up money to develop Mogote is out of his mind. Two Billion Dollars? A billion is one thousand millions of dollars. Golf
course fees and homeowner's association dues are going to pay for that? Somebody needs to get real.
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comitan
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Hey Jazz you forgot Hurricanes????????Tidal surge!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Glutg-Glug-Glug..........
Strive For The Ideal, But Deal With What\'s Real.
Every day is a new day, better than the day before.(from some song)
Lord, Keep your arm around my shoulder and your hand over my mouth.
“The sincere pursuit of truth requires you to entertain the possibility that everything you believe to be true may in fact be false”
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bajajazz
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Thanks for reminding me, Comitan. One of your old neighbors, a Canadian lady who had built her house in Comitan just prior to the hurricane of 1976,
liked to tell the story of how the surge from that storm washed through the sliding glass door on one side of the living room, and exited through the
sliding glass door in the dining room. To this day, no one knows for sure how many people died in that hurricane, estimates range from 3,000 to
15,000 dead, putting it up there with the hurricane that wrecked Galveston, Texas, early in the 20th Century.
There's also the old theory that El Mogote was once an island, and the fact that it's connected to the peninsula at all is due to sand washed up by
one or more hurricanes, to create a narrow neck at the west end. The idea of bulldozing a channel through that neck and returning Mogote to its
original status as an island was floated once upon a time but got nowhere, unfortunately. It would've provided circulation through the bay that would
help the inner bay cleanse itself. I swam in the inner bay once -- and only once -- and got a hellish case of conjunctivitis, I was near-blind for a
week. That took care of that vacation! 
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Don Alley
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Well, if earthquakes and hurricanes posed a big obstacle to development, then California and Florida would be some pretty sparsley populated areas.
Sales and promotion. Build and sell. Then move the profits through a maze of transactions to who-knows-where. Then if there is an earthquake, or a
tidal surge washes it all away, well, you know, those are once-in-a-thousand-year events so the area will be ripe for a second round of development.
Just be sure to post a bunch of signs saying how important the environment is, and have a couple of electric cars to drive around. 
If the development hasn't happened, or does not happen, it is because the right combination of capital and promoters has not appeared. Fonatur's
Loreto failed for years until some clowns showed up with capital and promotional skills. And once they get going, no one wants to hear about the
weather, or earthquakes, or fresh water, or urban planning, worker housing, etc.
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danaeb
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Looks like it's finally happening:
http://paradiseofthesea.com/en/news.html
Experience enables you to recognize a mistake every time you repeat it.
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coconaco
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What amazed me was how many presales they had before they had road access to the property.
THE MINNOW must be lost!!!!!
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longlegsinlapaz
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| Quote: | Originally posted by coconaco
What amazed me was how many presales they had before they had road access to the property. |
Confirmation of the validity of the old saying....Some people have more money than brains!! Any bets on how many of those
buyers have ever experienced a hurricane up close & personal? Mogote is NOT the place to be during a hurricane, nor is any type of structure!
People who buy property on the shifting sands of time deserve to end up with their assets submerged in the bay after the first storm!  
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capitolkat
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El Magote
Before we bought up on the hill above El Centenario we thoughtfully considered Paradise of the Sea. We rode the little shuttle boat out to the
peninsula and looked at the sand dunes. In a stiff breeze I wouldn't take that little shuttle for love or money and how many days in January and Feb
have stiff breezes-- and on top of that you were suppposed to bring your little electric cars to La Paz for shoppping or driving through the city
streets. I have this picture of travel down to the CCC or La Concha in my little electric golf cart on the city streets of La Paz.
Then I thought of a hard blow with 10 foot waves and maybe a surge or back surge when the water blown into the bay wanted to go back home to the Sea
of Cortez. With an average elevation of about 6 foot-- man this is a disaster waiting to happen.
So you sit in your house on El Magote- and look about 500 yards over to La Paz and the Malecon, and then go get in your car to drive the 6 or so
miles around the bay to the hotel Los Arcos. Which means driving 12 miles or so to get to someplace about 500 yards away.
so we said no thanks to paradise and chose a little higher elevation.
Life is too short to drink bad wine
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Bajavestruz
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Hey, follow Daneb's link to "Foundation Walls Being Set on First 17 Homes!
Thursday, March 8th, 2007
On March 8, building commenced on the foundation walls of the first Casas at Paraiso del Mar. The current construction schedule estimates that it will
take approximately 30 days to finish the first 17 foundations, followed by roughly 15 new starts per month going forward"
and check out photo bottom row center Building foundation walls begins on Lot 1.
Is there really no footing poured for that home?
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Crusoe
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To build anything on Magote is a horrific decision......It is the second windiest place on the Baja Peninsula. I know this sandspit intamately from
camping there many times over the years from kayak trips. During the months of December, January and Febuary( when most norteamericanos would want to
be there) the wind blows 60 of those 90 days. And of those 60 days 20 will be "nuclear" meaning wind speeds out of the North of over 25mph, and
blowing stinging sand everywhere.It will and can blow your shorts right off you!That fine sand makes a mess out of everything and the intrusion into
your house will end up in your bedding!!......In the summer months there is absolutly no shade, and with predicted sea elevations rising and an
increase in Eastern Pacific Hurricane activity, it all adds up to a bad location for any type of big major development. Then there is the water and
sewage issues.The City of La Paz has a very poor track record here, dont expect much.People who invest there hard earned retiremment money here will
become disenchanted...Because of its location this project will fail even if it is built. I for one will believe it --when I see it. The whole "
Audabon friendly" is a bunch of greenwash fecal crap, and the developers know that as well.They are tearing up and building on prime birdnesting
grounds. Really to bad. The big question is....Where will all the sewage end up? Maybe we already know that ansewer..... La Paz bay will end up with
another six thousand peoples raw sewage dumped into it. Maybe they could rename their development.....Appocolyps.
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bajajazz
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Back in 2000, I was approached by a scion of one of the old- monied families about investing in Mogote on the certainty that casino gambling would one
day be permitted there. I said thanks, no thanks.
I don't know if casino gambling is part of the developers' hidden agenda and I'm not accusing them of that. However, I am quite certain that the
investment required to start from scratch and build the infrastructure that residential and commercial development would necessitate is so enormous,
that casino gambling is the only revenue-producing activity there is that's capable of generating sufficient cash-flow to amortize the investment.
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bancoduo
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You people are FATALISTS. Be positive and keep sending me your pre-construction checks. Don't worry, I will take care of you. HAVE FAITH!
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gordfromborder
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As far as the environment is concerned, I thought mangroves in Mexico were next to sacred. We paddled our kayaks over to Magote about three weeks ago
and went up a neat little mangrove creek about 250 meters long. We saw numerous fish and birds, including egrets and herons. Yesterday, we went to the
same creek with our inflatable to show our daughter and son in law (visiting from Canada for a week) and at least half of the magroves were removed
from this creek.
There were trucks and loaders running around the site. This is immediately across from the La Paz tourist pier. Also, based on my educated engineering
eye ( 30 plus years of building roads) Magote has very little elevation above high water. Take away the anchor ( mangroves) and away goes you
foundation....back to the sea.
Oh ya, the wind was " brisk" over there.
'nuff for now, I'm just a lttle p*ssed about the removal of the mangroves.
Gord
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longlegsinlapaz
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The developers were already caught & supposedly fined big bucks for cutting down mangroves a year or so ago...sounds like they didn't learn their
lesson!! When I was over there last, they'd dozed virtually all the natural vegetation from the La Paz end of Mogote, leaving virtually nothing to
hold the sand in place & the result was that the sand had totally covered & obliterated the "road" they'd cut. The developers care NOTHING
about the environment, nor the interests of the fools who've bought into their lies & hype. Their interest is obviously ONLY the almighty
BUCK! They haven't got one casa built yet & they've already
destroyed the area. The sands are already blowing from the seaward side to the inner bay side & Mogote is already moving slowly toward La Paz
with the daily breezes!! Can't wait to see the impact of the next hurricane force winds!!
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Capt. George
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was over there recently, looks like they've started a water de-sal plant??
not really sure what it is, but three huge tanks, could be pilas?? Anyone know?
\"The penalty good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men\" Plato
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gordfromborder
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Lench
Sorry, no photos. I thought the same, I never have a camera with me when needed. ( kayak trip) We did take a few photos this trip, tho.
Gord
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gordfromborder
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I just Googled the site, and the "creek" is the " trident shaped ponds that are just north of the old/ original resort that was there. The " removed "
mangroves appear to be the finge that remained from before.
They were in the process of demolishing the concrete foundations.
Gord
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