| Pages:
1
2
3 |
bajajudy
Elite Nomad
Posts: 6886
Registered: 10-4-2004
Location: San Jose del Cabo,BCS
Member Is Offline
|
|
Puerto Los Cabos
When we went to the beach this morning, Greenpeace had set up a roadblock and was not letting the trucks pass. They passed us through when we told
them that we were going to the beach for a walk and a swim. They are encamped right where the mouth of the marina will be, probably tryng to keep
them from blasting through to the sea which we have heard was supposed to be this week.
Just an update for anyone interested.
[Edited on 5-9-2007 by bajajudy]
|
|
|
David K
Honored Nomad
Posts: 65303
Registered: 8-30-2002
Location: San Diego County
Member Is Offline
Mood: Have Baja Fever
|
|
How will preventing a marina from being completed save the whales? Why did they wait until the very end? Preventing a project from getting started
(like the San Ignacio salt mine) seems to make more sense.
|
|
|
bajajudy
Elite Nomad
Posts: 6886
Registered: 10-4-2004
Location: San Jose del Cabo,BCS
Member Is Offline
|
|
The concern here is actually the sea turtles, in particular the laud or leatherback which nest here and only a few other places in the world.
I dont know the anwers to your other questions.
|
|
|
wilderone
Ultra Nomad
Posts: 3881
Registered: 2-9-2004
Member Is Offline
|
|
David, you know as much about Greenpeace as you do about the Sierra Club.
Why are you criticizing? And it's more than sea turtles. You favor this?:
"El Estero San José (The San José Estuary), the most important northwestern oasis in Mexico, which was also declared as an ecological reserve, is at
huge risk. A marina, part of the Puerto de Los Cabos Resort development project, is due to be opened to sea, which will contaminate the freshwater
supply to the majority of the Los Cabos region.
Recent findings by hydrologist, Emigdio Flores, from La Paz University confirms that once the marina is opened the freshwater aquifer will be
contaminated by salt water intrusion. This will happen as the Puerto de los Cabos development crew hit groundwater when digging out the marina. This
groundwater is part of the aquifer shared by the estuary.
The estuary and aquifer is the main freshwater supply for the whole Los Cabos region, which includes the areas between The Sierra de la Laguna
Mountains to the Coast .
El Estero San José (The San José Estuary), the most important northwestern oasis in Mexico, which was also declared as an ecological reserve, is at
huge risk. A marina, part of the Puerto de Los Cabos Resort development project, is due to be opened to sea, which will contaminate the freshwater
supply to the majority of the Los Cabos region.
Recent findings by hydrologist, Emigdio Flores, from La Paz University confirms that once the marina is opened the freshwater aquifer will be
contaminated by salt water intrusion. This will happen as the Puerto de los Cabos development crew hit groundwater when digging out the marina. This
groundwater is part of the aquifer shared by the estuary.
The estuary and aquifer is the main freshwater supply for the whole Los Cabos region, which includes the areas between The Sierra de la Laguna
Mountains to the Coast "Experts say that once the marina is opened the saltwater will mix with the freshwater and this salty water solution will move
throughout the aquifer -- contaminating all the freshwater for this area, killing agricultural lands, the plants and animals in the estuary, and
potentially local residents as the Los Cabos region only has one desalinazation plant -- which does not have the capacity to supply freshwater to all
the hotels, tourists, and local residents of over 200,000 people -- far from."
|
|
|
Barry A.
Select Nomad
Posts: 10007
Registered: 11-30-2003
Location: Redding, Northern CA
Member Is Offline
Mood: optimistic
|
|
Wilderone-----
What you say here only re-emphathises what David is saying-------why did they wait until the last min. to protest this way? Why is this information
only being posted NOW? It should have been posted over and over again (if true) and brought to the responsible authorities attention so that the
project could have been stopped long ago. This eco-terrorism is insane.
As a member of the Sierra Club for years and years, I finally quit for reasons just like David points out--------they do not follow proper procedure,
and disrupt enterprise at the last min. to the enormous expense of others trying to accomplish things.
There points are sometime valid, but their way of doing things stinks, IMHO. And often, they are simply wrong, though well-meaning (and sometimes I
question even this)
I am still waiting for someone to answer David's questions.
|
|
|
wilderone
Ultra Nomad
Posts: 3881
Registered: 2-9-2004
Member Is Offline
|
|
You mean: "How will preventing a marina from being completed save the whales?" Who said it had anything to do with whales? The question is
nonsensical - may be the reason no answers. I would assume they're blocking the trucks NOW because the trucks are heading there NOW. We don't know
at this point what Greenpeace has done prior to this activity at the "very end" - but one could hardly assume that they did nothing.
I remember that Mexicans living at the San Jose Estuary, at least 3 years ago, pleaded on the Baja.com message board for help to stop the destruction
of the estuary. There must have been plenty of hue and cry for years regarding this project, but nevertheless, has proceeded in the same way as all
the other senseless developments -- and resultant degradation and destruction of Baja CA. I'm quite sure it was "brought to the responsible
authorities attention" - however, in Baja CA, "responsibe authorities" is an oxymarooon, with results to prove it. You can't be serious. I don't
believe taking action for what you believe in is wrong. It's far, far worse to do nothing at all. And IMHO, the "enormous expense of others trying
to accomplish things" includes the counterpose of those same people destroying far greater treasures than what they think they're creating.
"eco-terrorism is insane" - and knowingly contaminating a precious water supply isn't? Read this again and tell me THIS isn't eco-terrorism:
"Experts say that once the marina is opened the saltwater will mix with the freshwater and this salty water solution will move throughout the aquifer
-- contaminating all the freshwater for this area, killing agricultural lands, the plants and animals in the estuary, and potentially local residents
as the Los Cabos region"
They really need a shopping center and a place to park yachts that bad?
|
|
|
rts551
Elite Nomad
Posts: 6700
Registered: 9-5-2003
Member Is Offline
|
|
Title of the post is "back at Puerto Los Cabos" so I assume this is not their first visit.
|
|
|
wilderone
Ultra Nomad
Posts: 3881
Registered: 2-9-2004
Member Is Offline
|
|
Greenpeace had chained themselves to machinery in December 2006.
http://weblog.greenpeace.org/oceandefenders/archive/2006/12/...
|
|
|
Barry A.
Select Nomad
Posts: 10007
Registered: 11-30-2003
Location: Redding, Northern CA
Member Is Offline
Mood: optimistic
|
|
Whales, Turtles???? what's the diff----they are both endangered and we KNOW what David meant!! You are nit-picking on THAT particular issue, I am
thinking, which detracts from the "real" issue (as usual).
And I am an avid Whale and Turtle protectionist.
My point is that IF this project is SO destructive as Green Peace, et al, says it is, it makes no sense that it would be allowed to proceed. There
MUST be mitigating issues, and questionable "science" here. In my experience there is almost ALWAYS questionable science being used to clobber
projects------------"man deffinitely causing Global Warming" comes to mind. (90% of Climatologists/Weathermen say no way man is even influencing
"Global Warming")(nobody knows for sure, either way) And even if "we" are, it amounts to about 1 or 2 % of the problem of Global Warming-------we
should damage the world economy on such evidence???? easy for you to say, I guess, but not me.
On the other hand, projects like the string of Marinas along both Baja coasts (Escalera Nautica?) is pretty crazy, and it seems to be progressing
anyway, (tho very slowly), so maybe you have a point.
Outfits like Green Peace just give me the jitters, that's all-----they often go off so half-c-cked, and use such inflamatory language, half truths,
and bad tactics that I can't trust them at all, and don't.
And besides, what I think does not make a tinkers damn in this instance, so we will see what happens.
Viva Baja!!!
|
|
|
wilderone
Ultra Nomad
Posts: 3881
Registered: 2-9-2004
Member Is Offline
|
|
And check this out:
http://www.wildcoast.net/site/index.php?option=com_content&a...
Yeah, just sit back and do nothing and see what happens. It'll be too late.
|
|
|
wilderone
Ultra Nomad
Posts: 3881
Registered: 2-9-2004
Member Is Offline
|
|
So I guess you trust the developers and the federal government.
"My point is that IF this project is SO destructive as Green Peace, et al, says it is, it makes no sense that it would be allowed to proceed."
This just defies common sense. Clear cutting is allowed to proceed. Mining and its resultant poisonous ponds and rivers are allowed to proceed.
Fishing a species to extinction is allowed to proceed. Bottom trawling is allowed to proceed. Blasting and thumping to seek for oil is allowed to
proceed. Poisoning our air with pollutants is allowed to proceed. Cancun and Cabo were allowed to proceed.
|
|
|
Barry A.
Select Nomad
Posts: 10007
Registered: 11-30-2003
Location: Redding, Northern CA
Member Is Offline
Mood: optimistic
|
|
First off, that article is from the NEW YORK TIMES so it starts off life being suspect.
In principal, I don't like the estuary being messed with either, but I am not in the decision process as far as I know, and I certainly am not "in the
know" as to what is "right" in this case------are you???
I personally think the estuary long term is probably worth more in it's natural state than as a marina, but again I am NOT in the know and have not
been consulted.
But I do know that Green Peace will probably do more damage to the situation, than good. (chaining themselves to bull
dozers---------jeeeeeeze---------well, it will get attention, I suppose) If the local Mexicanos don't like the project THEY should be the ones down
there protesting, en masse!!!!
|
|
|
Timbercrete
Junior Nomad
Posts: 49
Registered: 3-22-2006
Location: SoCal
Member Is Offline
|
|
Wilderone,
All I hear is Bla, Bla, Bla,.....bla, bla, bla :moon:
Again, Environmental Terrorists doing more harm than good!
\"He, who farts in church,
Must sit in own pew\"
|
|
|
Barry A.
Select Nomad
Posts: 10007
Registered: 11-30-2003
Location: Redding, Northern CA
Member Is Offline
Mood: optimistic
|
|
Wilderone------our interpretation of "common sense" is different.
Lets just leave it at that.
|
|
|
AmoPescar
Senior Nomad
Posts: 835
Registered: 7-15-2006
Location: North San Diego County
Member Is Offline
Mood: Need a Fish Taco and a Pacifico!
|
|
MY QUESTION IS THIS....
What...or who...allowed or gave Greenpeace the authority to set up a roadblock???
Was the roadblock on land they own??
Miguelamo 
|
|
|
Slowmad
Nomad
Posts: 243
Registered: 3-24-2005
Location: Alta California
Member Is Offline
|
|
Future generations might thank us more for leaving some wilderness intact than they will for another plastic boat reservoir.
But the project will proceed, destroying the estuary and the very fabric of San Jose life.
The human race--a virus with shoes.
The only requirement for love or chorizo is confidence.
|
|
|
amir
Senior Nomad
Posts: 559
Registered: 5-4-2007
Location: Todos Santos, BCS
Member Is Offline
Mood: chiropractic
|
|
This marina is not just a "reservoir for plastic boats" or just for a "few richmen's yachts" - it will have 7 berths for cruiseships, that is, seven
floating cities that bring 5 thousand people each at a time - that's an influx of 35,000 vacationers to consume what developers are salivating about.
The project goes on because of the bezillion$$ in bribes that must have greased the wheels of development. Two whole fishing villages have already
been destroyed by excavators. That was just the beginning. Everybody knew the effects of such massive engineering in an ecologically fragile area, but
how do you fight against FONATUR and corporate gringo investors?
At least somebody (Greenpeace) is bringing attention to the issue. May be too late or too little, but we're discussing it because of their actions.
"Build it and they will come!" Many people are making fortunes with this development. They don't give a flock about turles, or whales, or birds or any
life on the estuary, or displaced locals... All these capitalists care about is the bottom line, and this is one heck of a profitable project. Land as
far as the eye can see has been cleared for condos, time shares, malls and hotels. The whole area is pretty devastated. A roadblock by some activists
will not stop the development, but it brings conscious attention and awareness to it. I'd like to think that if one voice is raised, that it will have
an effect, albeit minimal...
--Amir.
|
|
|
Baja Bernie
`Normal` Nomad Correspondent
Posts: 2962
Registered: 8-31-2003
Location: Sunset Beach
Member Is Offline
Mood: Just dancing through life
|
|
Wilderone
You had me leaning toward you even though I have little direct knowledge of the project...............BUT............then you blew it with
this..........."The question is nonsensical - may be the reason no answers." No questions fall into this category and reverting to this type
response is normally done when the person doing same is being 'nonsensical' in their attitude.
Sorry!
My smidgen of a claim to fame is that I have had so many really good friends. By Bernie Swaim December 2007
|
|
|
Crusoe
Senior Nomad
Posts: 731
Registered: 10-14-2006
Member Is Offline
|
|
Wilderone......You are spot on with your information and diologue. 8 years ago there was alot of resistance to this project. No one thought that
Semarnap or the Mex. govt. agencies would ever permit this with all the scientific info. and hydrogeology reports etc., etc. that were written, and
info. gathered.But they did it all under the table with going through the right channels and greasing the right Mexican Political hands with the
right amounts of cash. Its the Mexican way. Greenpeace knows all this well and they are just trying to get more people involved and educated. Even if
it is to late at least they are trying. 5 years ago I saw flyers in San Jose claiming how detremental this projrsct could be. No one will listen until
its too late. Too bad. Nature will bat last. You just cant flood big main fresh water aquafirs with saltwater in the desert and get away with it. Time
will tell quicker than we think!!! C
|
|
|
gringorio
Senior Nomad
Posts: 812
Registered: 4-10-2004
Location: Tucson, Arizona
Member Is Offline
|
|
Why are you so anti-environment?
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
How will preventing a marina from being completed save the whales? Why did they wait until the very end? Preventing a project from getting started
(like the San Ignacio salt mine) seems to make more sense.
|
|
|
|
| Pages:
1
2
3 |
![[*]](images/xmbforum/default_icon.gif){kind=icon}
