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[*] posted on 5-10-2007 at 09:55 AM


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Originally posted by Don Alley
http://www.seawatch.org/what_can_you_do/alt_join_seawatch_nl...

A possible alternative to destroying nets.


A good choice, but always dive with scissors just in case...
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[*] posted on 5-10-2007 at 10:10 AM


Since John Riffe, the contact person, lives in La Paz I'll hook up with him, begin to get a solid chain of evidence on the netter(s) here, confer with him about the corruption reported in the La Paz office that continues to allow the same violations over and over.
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[*] posted on 5-10-2007 at 10:56 AM


Be careful.
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[*] posted on 5-10-2007 at 11:46 AM


I have been allowed to read a few of Osprey's short stories that have not been posted here and I can say that he might as well use a net because he 'always' hauls the unwary on board without there ever realizing that they have been infected with a point or two with which he laces his stories. They may take a bit of time before they sink in but down the road you will be hooked................

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[*] posted on 5-10-2007 at 11:54 AM


:yes: got me hooked too, some time ago!!
I enjoy his stories a lot! cheers from here Osprey >f<
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[*] posted on 5-10-2007 at 12:14 PM


This is not a Story!

Wonder what would happen if a couple of Do-Gooder Mexicanos would go to a Southern Calif. Surf Location and damaged all the SurfBoards saying that the Bodht Oils of the Surfers were killing the fish?
What would happen if they went further North to South Central/East L.A and Beat up all the Dopers and Drug Dealers for Killing PEOPLE!!Posters; Why not spend your effort on saving Peoples lives, teach their Kids to Respect other People and getting the future generations to work together ?

Why are so many, Picking on the Poor uneducated Folks?
Are they Wimps and weakminded, unable to try to change their Fellow Americans??

"What goes around, comes Around".
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[*] posted on 5-10-2007 at 12:31 PM


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Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
This is not a Story!

Wonder what would happen if a couple of Do-Gooder Mexicanos would go to a Southern Calif. Surf Location and damaged all the SurfBoards saying that the Bodht Oils of the Surfers were killing the fish?
What would happen if they went further North to South Central/East L.A and Beat up all the Dopers and Drug Dealers for Killing PEOPLE!!Posters; Why not spend your effort on saving Peoples lives, teach their Kids to Respect other People and getting the future generations to work together ?

Why are so many, Picking on the Poor uneducated Folks?
Are they Wimps and weakminded, unable to try to change their Fellow Americans??

"What goes around, comes Around".
Skeet/Loreto


What if Skeets/Loreto dreamed up a bunch of other unlikely senerios? Hey Skeets if you want to go take on the surfers over board wax(I'm sure it doesn't hurt the ocean) or the Bangers in east LA (GOOD LUCK WITH THAT!) go ahead.
In fact where ever people are breaking the law you should go there and take action. Here's an idea, why not start in Baja. Just because people are poor or uneducated does not justify breaking the law or spoiling the enviornment.

[Edited on 5-10-2007 by fishbuck]




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[*] posted on 5-10-2007 at 12:34 PM


Skeet ---

What are you talking about?
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[*] posted on 5-10-2007 at 07:55 PM


fishbuck and dennis if you dont understand skeet perhaps you a bigger part of the problem then i thought (you have no soul)



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[*] posted on 5-10-2007 at 08:07 PM


i suggest that the posters here that propose using violence to make there point should go look at their own back yard and see what it breeds
but then what i have seen here i expect the callers are the offenders skeet know what it takes to change a nation of people
it takes people talking to the young( really beliving in what they say) not beatting their chests and going throu the motions of mindless idiots suported by more mindless idots
great story ospray brings out a lot of emotions a different story and you too could be the object of simular actions yup jerry again




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[*] posted on 5-10-2007 at 08:20 PM


tell a mexican who only knows to fish (net fish) is going to hurt someone but not anyone he knows he will listen and go back to fishing its all he knows with out it he and his die if you put your self between him and his expect him to do what is natural to survive



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[*] posted on 5-10-2007 at 08:22 PM


osprey WHAT????



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[*] posted on 5-10-2007 at 09:39 PM


Jerry-------If I understand your proposition (and I may not), it sounds to me like you are advocating anarchy. In a civilized society one man's actions that are detrimental to the many must be curtailed or modified lest we all descend into chaos-----that is what "rule of law" is all about.

Without "rule of law" you have chaos, and eventually survival of the "strong" taken to it's extreme.
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[*] posted on 5-10-2007 at 09:57 PM


Jerry!!!

you are sounding a bit like a liberal in fact almost like paula la "socialista" welcome aboard




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[*] posted on 5-10-2007 at 11:20 PM


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fishbuck and dennis if you dont understand skeet perhaps you a bigger part of the problem then i thought (you have no soul)


Well, Jerry I can't speak for Dennis but your not the first to accuse me of being souless.
But if someone uses the excuse of poverty or lack of education to ruin something (fishstocks) in the long run for his own short term needs, then who exactly is the souless person?
It's happened many times in the US and that's why fishing here is so highly regulated here. And it's working too.




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[*] posted on 5-10-2007 at 11:33 PM


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tell a mexican who only knows to fish (net fish) is going to hurt someone but not anyone he knows he will listen and go back to fishing its all he knows with out it he and his die if you put your self between him and his expect him to do what is natural to survive


Jerry, I don't know if you bothered to look at this link but if you did you would see that they have a program that offers alternate means of making a living besides over fishing the Sea of Cortez.
Again, it's happened many times in the US. And the people who were dsplaced from the fishing industry found other ways to make a living.
And in many cases the fish stocks are recovering or have completely recovered.
But if over fishing is allowed to continue there is a point where it will colapse and never recover. Is that what you want?

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http://www.seawatch.org/what_can_you_do/alt_join_seawatch_nl...

A possible alternative to destroying nets.




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[*] posted on 5-11-2007 at 06:17 AM


Fishbuck: I have a suggestion:
Go on a year long trip down the Sea of Cortez-I would prefer in a Panga-
Observe the Large amount of Fishlife, and also the Number of Mexican Fisherman making a living for their Familes!
Then come back and report your findings.
That type of information would be worthwhile , not some Whinie, weak-minded, Berkerely Graduate with a Degree who joins the Sierra Club , beleives all their Lies and decides to go to Baja and Chance the People to beleive as he Does.!!
I speak from 40 years on the Sea of Cortez, listening to all the Do- Gooders telling everyone that the Fishing is Ruined in The Sea of Cortez{ I refer you to Pompano's recent stories and observations about the Amount of Fishing..} to show the Factual evidence of the Amount of Fishing

Some of those Posters sound like Jerry Farwell and Pat Robertson telling everybody "How they think everyone should Live"" just send me a Check so I can help you live the way I want you to Live!

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[*] posted on 5-11-2007 at 07:34 AM


That's a good one Skeet ----

Fill up three inches of screen space telling Fishbuck what he should do and end it with scatheing denunciation of people who tell others what to do.
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[*] posted on 5-11-2007 at 07:55 AM


Quote:
Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Fishbuck: I have a suggestion:
Go on a year long trip down the Sea of Cortez-I would prefer in a Panga-
Observe the Large amount of Fishlife, and also the Number of Mexican Fisherman making a living for their Familes!
Then come back and report your findings

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True! Today, if you want to catch lots of fish in the SOC, you have to take a year and fish the whole sea.:biggrin:




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[*] posted on 5-11-2007 at 10:31 AM


fishbuck if overfishing is killing the fishery then i suggest you be the first one to stop fishing followed by all the other gringo fisherman and all the fisheaters

not stopping the native fishermen

i live in oregon please tell me about the sucess of the stop comercial fishing on the oregon coast and how well the fisherman and familys are doing??




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