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jerry
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Barry A you do not understand me first im one saying my opinion there is no way im advocating anarcy
apply rule of law
to ospreys story thats proposing anarchy insiting the massess to violence stiring the pot and his following of chest beaters that are going to
change the world lol
mexico is for mexicans if the gringoes dont like it live with it or leave
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Osprey
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Jory, Waht?
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DENNIS
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Jerry ----
So, revolutions should never happen. The masses should never oppose power and authority. Might is right. George Washington and Benito Juarez were
"chest beaters." Rosa Parks was an anarcharist.
What you are, Jerry, is a role model for slavery.
And as for your patented BS line, "if you don't like it, live with it or leave", take it to the streets of L.A. next time the illegals march around
telling people that law doesn't matter when it doesn't agree with them.
Yeah Jerry.......You really have it together.
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jerry
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sorry paula im about as liberal as G.W. Bush
but we cant agree on some things
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MrBillM
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Jerry Rigged
It's refreshing to know that Jerry joins myself and others in working towards a stronger Border and Increased Immigration enforcement in the USA to
protect that country's society and economy for the AMERICAN CITIZENS. Anyone who doesn't like that should leave, Right ?
I conclude this from his statement that "Mexico is for Mexicans and, if the Gringos don't like it, they should leave".
Speaking at least for myself, I am a LEGAL foreign resident of Mexico and I am always aware and respectful of said condition.
As far as the fishing goes, I can't imagine anyone who could argue that the Fishing Resources in the SOC are anywhere near that of the 50s and 60s,
but I know from the same experience in the US that there won't be effective restraint until it is possibly too late, but that's life.
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Cypress
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Even tho Osprey's story is fiction, gill nets, legal or illegal can destroy a fishery. As the fish get smaller, the mesh gets smaller, first adults,
then juvies. Before long there's nothing.
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Skeet/Loreto
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Dennis: Please learn to read --Suggestion-!!!!!!
Question? If Netting is takeing all the Fish, Why are the Fisherman still catching Fish????????
Why do not some of you Do Gooders go and Clean up The Bay at Victoria Canada????
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DENNIS
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Skeet -----
Neither Jesus Christ or Elmer Gantry ever gave an order in their lives. Only suggestions.
But, you're right, as usual.
See? It's the new me.
Oh yeah, in answer to your net question....... Read Cypress above.
Have a nice day
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jerry
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mr bill i think stronger borders and immigration inforcment are good for societys and econamys on both side of the borders
i too am a legal resident of mexico but it doesnt give me the right to press my beliefes on the mexican people or become political
changing mexico into another california by do-gooders surly will not improve it
education of the mexican people showing them how they can live in socity in harmany and keep there pride will work by example this is not going to
happen over night and its not going to happen by burning thier fish nets
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DENNIS
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Skeet -----
Sorry to bother you but, I had another question which has been lingering in my illiterate mind but forgot to ask. What did you do all of your life
that built up your sustained tolerance and blind eye for wanton destruction?
You seem to have some sensitivity to the matter, given your mention of problems in Victoria but here, you seem to turn away from it, like it's not
your problem. Is Victoria your problem? If it is, I would have to guess that you ran away from that problem as well.
You have to admit, The "do gooders" are trying to do just that. Why do you become their adversery? Why don't you just let them do what they feel
they have to do? It won't hurt you or cost you anything. Maybe someday, you will see the benefits of their acts.
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Sharksbaja
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Speaking from the docks of Oregon
Cuz that's where we work and that's where we get our fish, and that's our livelihood. I thought I'd add my split-shot.
Jerry makes a point about the fisheries here. It's certainly true that a damaged seafloor due to dragging has permanent or at least long term
effects. That does not address pelagic fisheries that are affected by other man-made causes.
With that said, it is not hard to miss the dwindling fishing fleet. Salmon is in short supply, crab is off this year, rockfish is over-regulated.
Don't worry about halibut, the season is only a few weeks long.
Point is, while we know the over-all picture is bleak, we can't place a finger on exactly who, what or where did our sealife go? Six or seven years
ago when salmon(now $14 lb) and crab(now $19 lb) were in big supply and this was after years of declining stocks, everyone was patting the backs of
others claiming " The problem is over we saved the salmon!" Our science and concern has brought back the fish they said. Here we are again...
Had me fooled. This port used to be a bustling port for landings of all types of seafood. The blame is now on the commercial fishermen. What a crock!
This dinky fleet couldn't do that much damage with all thye regs and gear and conditions put upon them. The science is unclear and not understood,
though through years of trying we have managed to save a few(maybe millions of) animals.
What we do know though is that indiscriminate taking of near-shore sealife has detrimental consequences. That holds true along our whole Eastern
Pacific Coast. Restrictions placed upon the continental shelf area have had positive results in CA. Same with the white seabass and anchovy.
The whole issue is very complex. Every(ocean) environment has it's weaknesses which in Baja seems quite clear to some folks. Netting CAN be a major
concern if not addressed and marshalled. Same with dragging and long-lining and hooka diving.
What is the solution then? ASk a local peon pescador what they think about the problem and ask what they think should be done. What do you think
they will say? I hope their explanation has more worth than 10 zillion politicians, researchers and know-it-alls.
DON\'T SQUINT! Give yer eyes a break!
Try holding down [control] key and toggle the [+ and -] keys
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DENNIS
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Jerry -----
Hi there. Your ideas toward improving Mexico and Mexicans by teaching by example are really good. Everybody knows how responsive they are to our
teaching, not to mention our examples. They don't readily forget either. Remember how we taught them how to lose a war and give away half their
land? Yeah man, that really showed them how to respect the teacher.
But, history aside, lets deal with today and keep the topic on teachers. There is a good book available from Amazon which you may enjoy and benefit
from. It's called "The Joys Of Spelling" by Bruce Leech. You ought to look into that. Order online and shipping is free.
[Edited on 5-11-2007 by DENNIS]
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Sharksbaja
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well there goes the boat.....glug....glug....glug
I don't get it Dennis. WTF does Bruces' (or Jerrys') spelling have to do with netting fish?
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DENNIS
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Well, I don't know Sharky. This whole thread started with fiction so how long do you want to beat sad facts into the ground?
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Don Alley
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This has really gone south.
Here's some links. Two are links I donate to on a regular basis. Another I just made my first donation to. One I probably won't support, and one I
despise.
But don't ask me which is which. Do your own homework and make your own choices. None are perfect, sometimes you have to compromise to work with a
group. Or find others. Or start your own organization. Do something or contribute to somebody who does do something.
Or just crap on those who do give a damn, and good luck with your golf game and real estate investments. 
http://www.billfish.org/new/
http://www.wildcoast.net/site/
http://www.propeninsula.org/
http://www.greenpeace.org/mexico/
http://www.geantares.org.mx/about.html
http://www.seawatch.org/index.php
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Slowmad
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On the central Baja coast near Punta X, a small commercial fishing ejido sprang up in the 1960s. They started hookah diving for ab.
By the 70s they wiped out the abalone so they switched to lobster.
By the 80s they wiped out the lobster so they switched to urchin.
By the 90s they wiped out the urchin so they switched to pepino (sea cucumber).
By the 00s they wiped out the pepino.
Now they mine beach rock, filling fabric bags for the construction industry.
Those who claim people are more important than fish have an extremely shallow understanding of how intermingled our destinies are.
The only requirement for love or chorizo is confidence.
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Barry A.
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How strange-------I did not see anybody "crap on those that do give a damn", as Don says. I just saw folks that wondered why Green Peace did not
protest this long ago, and it looks like maybe they did.
And also wondered why a local did not obey the law.
I have a hunch that EVERYBODY on this board would like to see things done in a much more environmentally friendly way.
End of story, it seems to me.
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DENNIS
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Not end of story, Barry.............
There is no end of story. The crap carrys on. And on.
If it has to be stopped, it has to be stopped by those who want it to be stopped. Politicians couldn't care less.
I know you hate this, Barry but a grassroot effort is all that will stop the ruination of our resources. Probably a violent effort.
I'm starting to understand what motivates ELF.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Slowmad
On the central Baja coast near Punta X, a small commercial fishing ejido sprang up in the 1960s. They started hookah diving for ab.
By the 70s they wiped out the abalone so they switched to lobster.
By the 80s they wiped out the lobster so they switched to urchin.
By the 90s they wiped out the urchin so they switched to pepino (sea cucumber).
By the 00s they wiped out the pepino.
Now they mine beach rock, filling fabric bags for the construction industry.
Those who claim people are more important than fish have an extremely shallow understanding of how intermingled our destinies are.
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I think I know this place. Or maybe there are many Punta X locations.
Near San Quintin bay on the pacific side I came across a little fishing village. But something wasn't quite right. All the pangas I could see were old
and in disrepair. I recognised the Fish Co-op building but it looked unused.
I ventured down to the nearby beach and saw "burlap" type bags stacked up about every 50 yards. Bags of rocks? What the heck?
A big flatbed truck comes in every couple of weeks and picks up the rocks. They are the small round beach rocks and are use as ornamental covering.
I have often wondered why they don't fish there. I guess I have my answer now. Bummer!
[Edited on 5-12-2007 by fishbuck]
"A ship in harbor is safe, but that is not what ships are built for." J. A. Shedd.
A clever person solves a problem. A wise person avoids it. – Albert Einstein
"Life's a Beach... and then you Fly!" Fishbuck
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Skeet/Loreto
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Dennis:
Dennis: It is not the Problems that exsist in all parts of the World but the Manner of Addressing those Problems and the very apparent lack of "Good
Ole Horse Sense shown by the so-called "Eco-Nuts"in solving those Problems.
Since you Ask where I came from:
Raised on a small Farm in West Texas which had on the back 20 Acres the Largest Producing RattleSnake Den in the States-The taking of Rattlers for the
past 40 years has not reduced the numbers at All-Proven by a Bunch of "Eco-Nuts" who did a Study and agreed that in Truth their was no effect on the
taking of the Rattlers .
Hi School in Amarillo Texas where the Eco- Nuts are claiming that the Ogalla Water supply will be deleted in 50 years.,trying to convince people that
RAIN is not what related !!
Hooked a Freight out of Amarillo in 1948- Spent the next 2 and 1/2 years as a Hobo, Cowboy, Logger, Service Station Worker returning to Amarillo to
enlist in the U>S. Navy where I became a Flight Engineer on PBY6A- Went to Korea and Helped Fight the War.
Left the Navy and received $120 A Month G.I>Bill where I got a Degree in Criminology-working many hours as a House Detective at Yosemite; A Ski
Patrolman a Jailer and a Police Officer Campus Police.
Hired by the State as a Special Investigator and worked Hollywood, South Central L.A.
Left Police Work after 3 Years to enter Adjusting Investigations- ending up as Aviation Accident Investigator, Claims Mfg. out of that Lowly place of
San Francisco.
Operated a Claims Office in Bishop Calif where when not Working Towed and Flew Gliders into the Sierra- Fishing in the Streams all around.
In 1972 Bought a Snap-On Toll Route for $16,000. 1983 had a Million Dollars so moved to Loreto full time and built Rancho Sonrisa.
Fished the Sea of Cortez for 40 years, mostly in a Panga. Started flying into Loreto in my Cessna 170 B in 1968.
The things I learned from all those experiences in Life was to study and evalute the People behind or involved in any given Situtation
Americans going to other places trying to change People to Beleive as they do, is very suspect to me.
Why not start in the States?
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