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bajarich
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No Fishing Licenses or Boat Permits
I have made many trips fishing the East Cape area and always assumed that everyone there had fishing licenses and boat permits.
One day, there a large boat towiing a small panga in the bay at Las Frailes and the word spread that it was a fisheries boat and that they were
checking licenses and boat permits. I didn't think much of it because I have always had both, but the next morning when I went out, I was practically
the only one on the water. I went right past the boat towing the blue panga but no one stopped to check me on my way in or out.
When I returned I asked the others why no one went out that day and found out that many of the other fishermen did not have fishing licenses or boat
permits. Many said they used to get them but no one ever check them so they had stopped getting them. Some said they didn't need a boat permit
because they had inflatables and they weren't required because inflatables were considered dingies. When I checked the rules included with my boat
permit, it says that any "vessel" with fishing gear on boad must have a boat permit.
These are all really nice people who, I'm sure wouldn't consider not buying a license in the States or in Canada, but because of the lack of
enforcement in Mexico choose not to obey the laws because it will cost them a few bucks to buy the licenses and permits. In the US, fishing without a
license is considered poaching, and I don't think it is any different in Mexico, just because you probably won't get caught.
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shari
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I find it interesting how folks disregard the permits and other laws here, then cry when they get caught. I am worried about my husband Juan who
really went through alot of hoops and pesos to get all the proper permits and licenses to take people fishing...as many clients just dont' get fishing
licenses which may put him at risk...also it doesn't seem fair when clients contract people to take them fishing who don't have the permits required.
Cheaper I guess.
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Capt. George
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shari
isn't there a way for Juan to get a license that covers the "sport" fishermen that he charters out to? I believe there is..Check with Pam at Big Fish
Company, she'll certainly have the right answers.
I find it interesting how many "illegal" gill nets are in use right in our own back yard, don't you?......zero enforcement on that one...grevious
damage to the fisheries, especially when netting occurs in the esteros (nurseries).......Maybe that also has something to do with the attitude of
sport fishermen regarding licenseing in Mexico?
I get the licenses irregardless of all the reasons "not to".
cap'n g
\"The penalty good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men\" Plato
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aquaholic
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...one of the main reasons people do not get the required boat and fishing licenses is that they are difficult to obtain in many areas. I have always
obtained mine from the Vags, or from the Pesca office in San Diego before crossing the border, but once in the Mulege area (for instance) they are
nowhere to be found...it makes compliance very difficult....
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Don Alley
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Yes, it's pretty common for people here to fish without a license, required for each person and for every boat, including dinghys, inflatables and
kayaks.
Maybe enforcement is a problem, but they do check in Loreto, seemingly as much or more as I was checked in Montana.
Part of the problem is the lack of license outlets. In the states, almost every tackle shop sells licenses. You can get one every day of the week, you
can get one in the evening.
Last Saturday someone asked me about licenses. He had just flown in, the office was closed, and he was fishing early the next morning. He was worried
about fishing without a license. That's a common problem. I told him that he could write a note with his name and the name of the boat or service he
was fishing with, slide it under the door of the office and promptly return and buy the license on his return. At least a year ago I was told that
would allow you to purchase a license after the fact if you got checked. But Loreto is fast becoming a little less informal and that might not work
today.
You can easily get them at many tackle shops in Southern California, and through the mail from Vagabundos and others, and I'd strongly recommend that
for visiting fishermen.
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Do Mexican nationals require personal fishing licenses? Do Mexican commercial fishermen require licenses?
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sancho
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I believe Mex Nationals require
licenses, some regs often ignored
include the no take of clams, crusteceans,
and in some printed regs the no
take of cabrilla
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shari
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Apart from all the business licenses, boat license and permits, Juan also has a personal fishing license which he was told he needed if he was going
to take tourist out. I'll check about some deal covering his clients...gracias.
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Frank
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So if I fish off of my Kayak, I need a boat permit? I cant get a boat permit without "boat registration paperwork" that a Kayak doesnt have. We always
get fishing licenses for everyone, but the permit for the Kayak is throwing me for a loop.
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Don Alley
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At the recent Governor's Cup Tourney all entrants were required to show a license, and the number was written on their entance form.
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cbuzzetti
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You can get a boat permit for your Kayak. I have done it through Vagabundos. If your Kayak does not have a VIN # you write in the make model, length
and color.
Did this just a few months ago.
BajaBuzz
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Don Alley
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Kayak Boat Permits
New rules that can change at any moment, or at any location
As of last fall, Loreto's office stopped issuing permits for vessels without documents. In other words, they would not sell me a permit for my kayak.
In the past they would just write in the make, length and color. No more. They did confirm that I needed the permit, but would not sell me one until I
got "documents" for my kayak.
This March, Fisherman's Landing in San Diego told me they had the same instructions as the Loreto Office,and could not sell me a permit without
documents. BUT, they sent me to the San Diego Conapesca office and there I was able to easily get my kayak licensed without documents.
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flyfishinPam
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| Quote: | Originally posted by shari
Apart from all the business licenses, boat license and permits, Juan also has a personal fishing license which he was told he needed if he was going
to take tourist out. I'll check about some deal covering his clients...gracias. |
Yeah there's lots of paperwork and requirements increase every year. You're lucky you're not in a marine park, more paperwork and always due at
different times! But that's part of being in the business.
Sorry but no special permit for the clients, they each need a license.
Conapesca has a website where you can buy licenses online and print them out. Well I tried it. I bought a one year license for myself and actually
got through the labrynthian system of making the payment (actually two payments that 31 pesos gets separated out). They charge last years prices so I
figured I was getting a deal. You can pay at the bank but the 31 peso form won't print out as its coded incorrectly, so it doesn't work. I paid
electronically via my bancomer account but keep in mind you have to pay a monthly fee for that service with bancomer $22dlls/month, so unlikely the
typical captain has that set up even if they have a bank account at all. Well after 45 minutes at that conapesca site and paying via bancomer.com,
when I tried to input my payment for my license it won't print out because it won't accept the payment code I was given by the bank! I guess they're
not ready yet.
If someone walks into my shop on a friday night and wants to go fishing on saturday, I take them out. We're not obligated to turn down work because
of past corruption by these idiots. We buy licenses at the first opportunity we can. We can't buy, say 50 licenses and fill them out as we sell
them. PESCA requires that we pay first and have the names and dates for them to be filled in as we get them. Believe me I've been trying for years
to buy licenses in blank form. Used to be able to but since May 2004 we haven't been able to.
over and out
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shari
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Rats or ratas...so I guess the best thing is to advise clients to get their licenses before they come down...but so many just show up and want to go
fishing...hmmm....please let me know if anything happens that may help us out too...like getting blank licenses. muchas gracias
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Hook
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Shari, as the likelihood of getting licenses issued easily out your way is remote, I would suggest you post something prominent on your 'THINGS TO DO'
webpage, encouraging people to get licenses in advance.
It's really pretty astounding how available they are at many places in SoCal as well as by mail from the travel clubs.
yet, it can be like pulling teeth in Mexico. A government form, no less.
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shari
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I posted it on the fishing page but good idea to mention it a couple of times...is it true that you can get them at sporting goods stores or tackle
shops?????
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Hook
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Yes, last time I checked they could be had at The Grant Boys in Costa Mesa, Fisherman's Landing in San Diego, The Longfin in Orange. NOt sure about
the Turner's Outdoorsman chain. Maybe others can help build a list here that you can use.
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Bob and Susan
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its form #5 at the stationary store...
take the form to the pescadera office
pay the fee there
and
its yours
very easy
in mulege you need to get the license in santa rosalia
you do need a temp import permit for your own boat if it's over 14 feet
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Capt. George
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temp import permit, a new one on me?? always just the boat license??
Bob/Susan HELP!
\"The penalty good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men\" Plato
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Bob and Susan
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the rule is from 2006..
anything over 14 feet needs a boat license to fish
to get this lisense you need to get a 10 year temp import permit $50 USA (you pay there in USA funds)
they need to see the boat...
the office here is in santa rosalia next to the imigration office where you get tourist visas right on mex#1 at the entrance to santa rosalia
i still needed to show it this year when i got the boat license a couple of weeks ago...
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