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Al G
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Don't Stop above Santo Tomas...
I would like to know how many Nomads would work to stop corruption and criminals in Baja Norte?
Would you help?
Why would you not?
How would you start a campaign to get people not to stop and/or give up vacationing in TJ to Maneadero?
Who in mass media could we contact?
Why would you need to expose yourself and family to this corrupt, dangerous area?
Is it possible to find "Safe Green Zones" to stop? This would not cut the throats of the corrupt cops....
I may be over my head, but it is on my mind. "JUST STOP STOPPING"
Albert G
Remember, if you haven\'t got a smile on your face and laughter in your heart, then you are just a sour old fart!....
The most precious thing we have is life, yet it has absolutely no trade-in value.
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Bruce R Leech
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Albert just what do they have going on up there that we dont have down here? why are you drawing the line at Maneadero?
Bruce R Leech
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jerry
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just think if a line was drawn and all the gringos would only stop south of that line the bad guys would know just where to go for prime pickings
at least up north there a big population so it spreads it out over the population
so i think all should continue as it has who need a flock??
and i will continue not stopping till i get way below ensenada
jerry and judi
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Al G
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bruce R Leech
Albert just what do they have going on up there that we don't have down here? why are you drawing the line at Maneadero? |
I understand your question and and I agree there are bad things happing below Maneadero too.
Just nowhere near as many.
I am looking to affect the economy and there by bring about Change in enforcement. If the Governor of Baja Norte sees the impact Maybe he will do
something about The murders and truck stealing. The criminal activities are rampant and the only impact we can use is economical. "JUST DON"T
STOP"
Albert G
Remember, if you haven\'t got a smile on your face and laughter in your heart, then you are just a sour old fart!....
The most precious thing we have is life, yet it has absolutely no trade-in value.
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Al G
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| Quote: | Originally posted by jerry
just think if a line was drawn and all the gringos would only stop south of that line the bad guys would know just where to go for prime pickings
at least up north there a big population so it spreads it out over the population
so i think all should continue as it has who need a flock??
and i will continue not stopping till i get way below ensenada
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Most of the criminals in Ensenada were not imported. They are a defacto of a major population and total corrupted and lack of policea
enforcement...the gringo is a fat pig ready to poke a fork in.
The line is drawn at Maneadero because of topographic and population.
"JUST DON"T STOP"
Albert G
Remember, if you haven\'t got a smile on your face and laughter in your heart, then you are just a sour old fart!....
The most precious thing we have is life, yet it has absolutely no trade-in value.
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Bruce R Leech
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Location: Ensenada formerly Mulege
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Al I see your point and I understand what you are trying to do and it makes a lot of sense. but I just don't want people to think that they are any
safer south of your Line and let there guard down. I am very familiar with the problems up there and having been a victim several times in your shall
we call it RED ZONE. But I can Asher you and every one else that it is as bad or worse here in Little old Mulege and La Paz and Cobo and points in
between
Bruce R Leech
Ensenada
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Al G
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You would know better then I....some people would disagree with you, but lets say you are right. I think, if we can affect the "red zone", it will in
time show benefits in SUR too.
Albert G
Remember, if you haven\'t got a smile on your face and laughter in your heart, then you are just a sour old fart!....
The most precious thing we have is life, yet it has absolutely no trade-in value.
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Dave
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Lemmings
| Quote: | Originally posted by Bruce R Leech
Al I see your point and I understand what you are trying to do and it makes a lot of sense. but I just don't want people to think that they are any
safer south of your Line and let there guard down. I am very familiar with the problems up there and having been a victim several times in your shall
we call it RED ZONE. But I can Asher you and every one else that it is as bad or worse here in Little old Mulege and La Paz and Cobo and points in
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DONT STOP!
There should be a road running up to a cliff edge in Cabo. All tourists should drive straight down, no stopping, and right off the edge.
Vehicles could refuel on the go via tanker truck.
Roll down the windows and we'll throw in some burritos.
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DENNIS
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Albert ---
I honestly appreciate your motives here but, I think you may be looking for a response that we as Americans arn't famous for. Solidarity. As a
group, we tend to turn our backs on situations that don't personally affect us. It's too bad but, that's just the way we are.
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Al G
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
| Quote: | Originally posted by Bruce R Leech
Al I see your point and I understand what you are trying to do and it makes a lot of sense. but I just don't want people to think that they are any
safer south of your Line and let there guard down. I am very familiar with the problems up there and having been a victim several times in your shall
we call it RED ZONE. But I can Asher you and every one else that it is as bad or worse here in Little old Mulege and La Paz and Cobo and points in
between |
DONT STOP!
There should be a road running up to a cliff edge in Cabo. All tourists should drive straight down, no stopping, and right off the edge.
Vehicles could refuel on the go via tanker truck.
Roll down the windows and we'll throw in some burritos. |
Santo Tomas....100 miles 2.5 hrs
San Quintin........190 miles 4-5 hrs
No gas needed
No food needed
A bottle works well if you cannot stand the bush.
Anyone who think San Lucas is great...maybe would follow your other advice.
Albert G
Remember, if you haven\'t got a smile on your face and laughter in your heart, then you are just a sour old fart!....
The most precious thing we have is life, yet it has absolutely no trade-in value.
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Al G
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Dennis...you are right about people and solidarity. If can get the contact info maybe I can keep some people from being ripped off.
There is nothing written stone that I will fail, as well as there is nothing that says I cannot try. Just a little help?
Albert G
Remember, if you haven\'t got a smile on your face and laughter in your heart, then you are just a sour old fart!....
The most precious thing we have is life, yet it has absolutely no trade-in value.
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Bruce R Leech
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Registered: 9-20-2004
Location: Ensenada formerly Mulege
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Al G
You would know better then I....some people would disagree with you, but lets say you are right. I think, if we can affect the "red zone", it will in
time show benefits in SUR too. |
I think you are probably right.
I know our tourism was off this year and more due to crime frome the year before than gas prices or bad tacos
Bruce R Leech
Ensenada
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Al G
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Maybe by the time my NASCAR race is over(got to go) I will get some contact info or more good suggestions.
Go Tony Stewert #20
Albert G
Remember, if you haven\'t got a smile on your face and laughter in your heart, then you are just a sour old fart!....
The most precious thing we have is life, yet it has absolutely no trade-in value.
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fdt
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Location: Tijuana, Baja California
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Al G, I understand what you are saying, but there are many of us that live here, that ARE doing something about it. You can decide not to stop and
that is your choice, you say some would dissagree with Bruce, but I have to agree with him, and if you were "willing" to be more informed, IMHMO,
there is more crime per capita going on in the south than in the north, as an example take todays Sudcaliforniano newspaper;
Rape, Drugs, Murder, Bomb threats, Drug cartel arrests and drug seisures, stolen vehicles, deadly accidents, kidnapings, to name a few, ant that is a
lot considering that the entire state of Baja California Sur has about 500,000 people, and up here in your Red Zone you can count those people in
about 3 or 4 colonias.
http://www.oem.com.mx/elsudcaliforniano/justicia.aspx
I think that there is more access to information for the north than for the south, so that is why more is not reported, again just MHMO.
A well informed Baja California traveler is a smart Baja California traveler!
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Al G
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| Quote: | Originally posted by fdt
Al G, I understand what you are saying, but there are many of us that live here, that ARE doing something about it. You can decide not to stop and
that is your choice, you say some would dissagree with Bruce, but I have to agree with him, and if you were "willing" to be more informed, IMHMO,
there is more crime per capita going on in the south than in the north, as an example take todays Sudcaliforniano newspaper;
Rape, Drugs, Murder, Bomb threats, Drug cartel arrests and drug seisures, stolen vehicles, deadly accidents, kidnapings, to name a few, ant that is a
lot considering that the entire state of Baja California Sur has about 500,000 people, and up here in your Red Zone you can count those people in
about 3 or 4 colonias.
http://www.oem.com.mx/elsudcaliforniano/justicia.aspx
I think that there is more access to information for the north than for the south, so that is why more is not reported, again just MHMO. |
I will follow your suggestion, and read to gain insight into what is affecting us all. I am really wrapped up in this now and want to be fair.
With that said we need to start somewhere. I am hoping that what you are referring to is centered in Ciudad Constitucion and San Lucas.
Maybe later an effort to affect Sur too??
Albert G
Remember, if you haven\'t got a smile on your face and laughter in your heart, then you are just a sour old fart!....
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fdt
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Al G
read to gain insight into what is affecting us all. I am really wrapped up in this now and want to be fair.
With that said we need to start somewhere. |
You are correct, "we need to start somewere", how about better education ( and I mean values, morals, integrity, etc.), on both sides of the border or
all over the planet, crime is everywere, drugs are everywere, it's worse than global warming 
A well informed Baja California traveler is a smart Baja California traveler!
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Diver
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Yikes !!!!
Thank you FDT for infusing some reason, facts and sanity to this post.
Yes, there is a problem, mostly with drug trafficers, in many places in the world. Many of the problems are caused by a simple lack of common sense.
Suggestions ??
If you are worried; STAY HOME !
Bad attitude leads to bad things happening !!
Be scared !!
More fishing for ME !!
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Gnome-ad
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People stay away in droves when there is bad press on national (US) television. On my return in February I saw a piece on some show (senior brain does
not allow retrieval of what show) about TJ and the drop in tourism, the exodus of residents, etc. because of drug and gang related shootings of
non-involved bystanders and the perceived compliance of some police. Average people (not too average because it costs lots of $) were having their
cars equipped with armor and bullet-proof glass to protect their families. That is not a great incentive to anyone to visit or stop. We had come back
over at Tecate at my insistence and after viewing that show I did not feel so crazy for saying I just never wanted to go through TJ again if possible.
The only normal people are the ones you don't know very well. - Ancis
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oldhippie
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I agree that folks heading to and coming from the south should go through Tecate and not stop until you get past Ensenada. I live in authentic and
sustainable Tijuana and like to go to various places between here and Ensenada. Good luck in your endevours, it will mean less traffic for me to deal
with.
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Gnome-ad
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oldhippie ~ Since I am an old hippie, too, hope I did not offend with my comment about TJ. Authentic and sustainable are excellent qualities and I'm
sure there are wonderful areas there. I just have not gotten to experience them in my limited travels through. I understand wanting less traffic and
am happy to oblige.
Todos Santos was more authentic two years ago, but still is not San Lucas, thank goodness. Sustainable? I worry about the future of water all over
Baja. TS has year round water now, but is being developed at an alarming rate as are many of the beautiful spots.
Peace.
The only normal people are the ones you don't know very well. - Ancis
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