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Estero Coyote
Thank you for all the San Basilio info. Another question.
Before we hit the gulf side we would like to surf the Abreojos area. I used to go down there all the time, but that was over 10 years ago. We used
to camp on Estero Coyote near were the channel exits the lagoon, away from Campo Rene, just past a house where 2 guys used to collect ocean data. We
camped here not only for the beauty and solitude, but also for a little wind relief.
Does anyone know this area? Is camping there still possible? We would rather camp away from the restuarant, however we do plan on eating there...
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Last time we were there(8-06) it looked pretty empty, but we stayed in abreojos, so I'm not sure how anyone would feel about camping. The lack of wind
didn't help wit the mosquitos though.
Fly low, land on roads.
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lots of mosquitos y banditos. plenty of flies......alligators and salt water crocodiles.........you'll hate it there.
the highway traffic will keep you up all night....
it's a scary place!
\"The penalty good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men\" Plato
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George, I know it says that am a Newbie(and I am on this forum), but unless TJ and Cabo have done just the opposite as the Red Sea did with Moses(came
together instead of parted) and met at Estero Coyote, I'll take your reply as sarcasm.
On a serious note, I respect the fact that you want to protect this place. It is beautiful. I have given up fishing in Baja altogether because I
don't want kill or harm any living thing that might benefit the local people or the ecosystem. I will trade for or buy fish from the locals, but I
wont kill it myself. I sincerely miss fishing, but it's not my ocean, it is theirs.
Anyway, I went off on a large tangent. I ment to say, my wife and I travel to Baja to enjoy nature, not to harm or spoil anyones favorite spot, or do
any damage whatsoever to the ecosystem around us.
Thank you everyone for your replies. I do appreciate it.
Cap. George, thank you as well. I do get the sarcasm.
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lots of mosquitos y banditos. plenty of flies......alligators and salt water crocodiles.........you'll hate it there.
the highway traffic will keep you up all night....
it's a scary place!
I just checked my other thread and saw a similar statement. Now I get it. I am sorry Nomads for not catching on quicker. This is my 1st forum.
Sorry......
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I only said that because, from your thread, you said you had been there. The estero is still a wonderful place to camp.
Very noble on the fish thing, but your punishing yourself unnessacerally(?)
Think about this: the infintesimal amount of fish you're denying yourself, is nuts, considering the local people (by no means, starving) gill-net the
estero, a known biosphere, on an annual basis.........
It might be their land, but the ocean? It is treated with absolutely no regard for tomorrow, excepting the lobster and abalone stocks. Bring a rod, in
fact, bring one for each hand!!! Look us up when you get here. Ask in town for Vikingo y Devorah, they'll point the way.
\"The penalty good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men\" Plato
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Capt. George Your take on local commercial fisherman is true for most of 'em, north or south of the border.
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did it myself years ago until good, sound, scientific findings created limits, and protection for the fish stocks.I have personally seen the positive
results of these efforts.
It's imperative to the survival of the lifestyle of Baja Mexicanos for their government to take some sort of interest in the future of their fish
stocks and the future of their childrens/grandchildrens lives.
see, I really am not that far to the right of Attila the Hun, just a tad!
cap'n g
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If you are in the area, you may want to check out San Roque for wonderful camping beach with no one on it yet close to town and restaurants. Also a
surf break near Asuncion to surf, usually no one there except sunday morning a couple locals might go out...so check in with us and we can give you
directions and welcome you...love to meet new nomads! (and you can have a hot shower here too)
[Edited on 6-14-2007 by shari]
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it's a great trip up the coast road to Ascuncion. Stop in La Bocana, San Hipoloito and Punta Prieta....great places, even better people, camp along
the way. Most of the locals know el Vikingo de Punta Abreojos. Say hola for me. San Roque a beautiful peaceful hide-away!
bien viaje amigo. cap'n g
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Sorry about the sarcasm, I'm new to forums. Thank you for all the wonderful advice.
When my wife and I are in Abreojos in November, we will definitely look up your friends.
It's been twelve years since I've been there and I remember digging clams in the sand and catching grouper in the mangroves. I'm sickened by the
dredging that seems to go on in the springtime. We only visited in October-November and never saw any of this.
I'm tempted to bring my fishing pole this time and I'm very interested in San Roque.
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don't be a martyr...........bring your rods!
\"The penalty good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men\" Plato
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| Quote: | Originally posted by coolhand
I'm tempted to bring my fishing pole this time |
Luke,
My....how easily your environmental values are swayed .... what's your real position on fishing???? Perhaps paying a local for fish would soothe your
enviro-hunting-conscience...help a local...eat some fish....sleep better at night????
Don't believe everything you think....
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motoged,
I see everyones point, including yours, (and I'm not a very hardcore enviro).
I think of the future and all the unecessary depletion, but most of all what really scars me are all the photos I see around San Diego and everywhere,
of drunk Americans with 20+ marlins hanging there like trophies. These fish are not trophies. Gods creatures are not trophies (no I'm not hardcore
religious either). Yes, we have to kill to stay alive, but to display them like some do, I think is simply not cool.
Anyway, long story short, that is the main reason why I have trouble killing anything myself.
I know it is a double standard, because I do eat fish, meat and chicken. But for the life of me, I have trouble killing it with my own to hands.
Also, when I was younger, I used to spear fish in La Jolla and kill bass, halibut, perch by the dozen, even if I never ate it. I think the conscience
God gave me now is punishment for what I did earlier.
However, the temptation of eating a freshly caught grouper out of the mangroves is tempting.
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Coolhand,
I share your sentiments....and am not trying to give you a hard time...
Fishing to eat makes some good sense to me....fishing to get bragging rights or a picture with a "trophy" irks me....some folks may chime in and
rationalize sport fishing somehow.....but that still doesn't make it right in this world of depleted resources....and the big factory ships should be
torpedoed...
A bit of direct action has its place at times.....
Ged
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shari and Capt. George,
Thank you so much for you generousity. I am very interested in San Roque and the surf spot en circa de Ascuncion. I do not need any info. via forum
if it might damage these spots. I'll be honored to look you up in Abreojos when my wife and I arrive in the Fall.
I know the area well between Coyote and Bocana. A question that I don't think will hurt: Is San Roque in this vicinity? I suspect it is north of
town. I have done some camping further up the coast between Estero La Bocana and the surf, in the dunes there, but have never heard of San Roque,
or the surf spot further north......
Again, thank you all.
P.S. My wife, having not been to this area of Baja, feels more comfortabe going, now that she has read all of your replies.
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Your wife will love it.
Did you know that Estero Coyote is the home of the northernmost mangroves in the western hemisphere?
Some of the best kayaking I have done in Baja is in that estero. We were there once in February and it was cold, cold, cold but there were HUGE flocks
of birds, American White Pelicans in the hundreds, Curlews in the MANY hundreds it was spectacular. Check your tide tables! One time we pulled in
there in the evening with the plan to launch in the early AM for a paddle only to wake up and find that the tide was WAY out and not wanting to slog
thru the muck we went into town and got some surf and some tacos.
San Roque and that whole area is not to be missed, the people are friendly and the coast is beautiful. You will find it on a map just north of
Asuncion, I would tell you where the surf spot is but it's a secret that you can only learn by stopping by Casa Shari y Juan, it may cost you a smile
and a couple of cold ones.  Champagne worked for us! 
MAGA
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elgatoloco,
Perfect... I was hoping I wasn't spoiling anyones spot by asking for directions. I understand that rights to some spots in Baja need to be earned.
Shari and Juan, my wife and I look forward to meeting you this Fall.
Thank you everyone for your gracious replies. Having read all your responses, my wife is actually very exited about seeing this beautiful area for
the 1st time.
And of course I'm just gnawing at the bit.
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hey coolhand...we're looking forward to meeting you 2 too...let us know when you are coming to have the fish ready and beer cold! It's lobster season
then too and San Roque is a lobster camp...yummy. hasta luego amigo!
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Thank you all once again for your kind replies.......
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