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jerry
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i decide how to spend my money you decide how you spend yours why the hell do you think you or anyone else on this board should decide how loreto
bay should spend theres COMEON PAM YOU KNOW THAT SPEAKING ENGLISH IN MEXICO ALL WAYS ALLOWS YOU TO EARN MORE MONEY A CERTIN NUMBER OF THESE WORKERS
WILL STAY IN LORETO AS WILL THERE FAMILYS THE WHOLE TOWN WILL BENAFIT FROM THE EDUCATION
i hear all the b-tching about the streets the schools the medical for the poor people of loteto by the gringo crowd and when loreto bay does do
something for the locals there dammed for that too
I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO UNDERSTAND YOUR PIONTS OF VIEWS BUT I JUST CANT GET MY HEAD THAT FAR UP MY ARSE
jerry and judi
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flyfishinPam
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Interestingly enough I was just at Loreto Bay a few hours ago. My children and I were at the hotel to deliver fish to folks that departed on the
flight this afternoon. This year most of our clientele were in hotels in town so we haven't been to LB to deliver fish in awhile. Our custom last
summer was to deliver the fish then walk all the way around Nopolo point afterward before going back home. So we decided to do it again today. Kids
were excited. They love the tide pools there and climbing on the rocks.
Parking at the hotel was almost impossible so I used a Hertz space until the client had their fish and we said our good bye's. Then I decided to
drive off the hotel grounds and to the access road to the North of the property that was always open to access the parking lot and beach. Know what?
That road leads to construction jobs and the access to the playa is completely closed. We turned around and parked on the road. No access whatsoever
to the beach for the public. We walked through the hotel but we were fairly well dressed so were un-noticed when we did.
Once we reached the point there were about two dozen construction workers walking to the pocky point. It must have been just after quittin' time so
they were taking a swim. I wonder how much longer LB will let them get away with that there? One thing that was hard to not notice was that these
guys were not speaking spanish, they spoke another language, probably an indian language from the mainland where they're from. My kids asked me what
they were saying and they actually noticed it first. We walked all the way around the point and came upon the workers again who were relaxing in the
shade. The backdrop was the shoreline of Nopolo Bay and the hundreds of new buildings where there were once low dunes covered with salt tolerant
grasses and herbs.
The few persons I told about the lack of beach access were surprised. Many people just haven't gone there in a long time, maybe several months as
there's no reason to go there. It used to be that on Sundays Nopolo was THE beach to go to for Loretanos. There are not very many beaches for the
public to use because there just aren't that many beaches in our area that are easily accessable. Now beach access is fast becoming a constitutional
right of the past. I hope that Loretanos are well aware of this.
I mentioned to my children that this will probably the last summer that we can walk around that point so casually. This fact did not make them happy.
Nopolo point and the laguna behind it where the golf course reconstruction is underway, was one of the favorite fishing holes of the late Ray Cannon.
It looks like the golden years of the Sea of Cortez are behind us now, at least for the average baja citizen.
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flyfishinPam
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| Quote: | Originally posted by jerry
I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO UNDERSTAND YOUR PIONTS OF VIEWS BUT I JUST CANT GET MY HEAD THAT FAR UP MY ARSE |
are you telling me my head is up mi arse? I invite you to come to my public place and tell me that to my face. why on earth you would make that
connection is beyond me. I complain about the streets just like every Loreto buinessperson because they have caused us to lose income and inventory.
you do not gripe because you are not affected, so STFU aboutit! also you say the situation is the citys fault and not Loreto Bays but it is,
unfortunately the powers that be are playing a political game at our expense and it being done supposedly to make way for all this growth that is
definately unsustainable. Jerry you ought to apply at Loreto Bay they can always use more propogandists.
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oldhippie
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Thanks Pam for the information. Cutting off public access to the beach is one of the hallmarks of the Loreto Bay type developments. After awhile the
tidepools you wanted to see may be devoid of life if the local people let the developers have their way. I wonder what will happen when the
insecticides used on the landscaping and golf courses leach their way to the shoreline.
Any news on sales numbers and the state of the desal plant?
Owners should be concerned about these things too.
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jerry
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NOTE your points of views plural
i didnt single your or anyone out
no matter what if loreto bay has anything to do with its going to be finding fault with that isnt fare
i havent seen the complaning gringos donate $1000,000 dollars
take the blinders off fair is fair if you want to be heard , half truths ignoring the truth by over shadowing it with complaints, or blaming them
for the citys short commings, does convince me of anything other then people like to b-tch
facts speak for them selves and $1000'000 speaks loudly
now if you want to keep up with the water problem or other real problems im listening
jerry and judi
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oldhippie
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Glad your listening because you have first hand knowledge, and that's what I want to know. I'm willing to listen to what pro Loreto Bay folks have to
say.
I want to expand upon the point that owners and others with interest in LB should be concerned about the environmental impacts. The current owners are
lucky, they have a piece of a nice area and it is in their interests to protect it. That's all I'm after.
Ask someone who bought in early to Cabo San Lucas what they think about it now. That's the likely course of events unless a strong organization is
developed to keep tabs on the developers. They're just out for money at all costs. That's the nature of their business and how the "successful" ones
operate.
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Oh, this is too precious...
okay, so some of you might know that I received a letter from R. Scott Montell, Chief General Counsel, of Loreto Bay, complaining about "possible
trademark infringement" as a result of my buying my www.loretobaycompany websites. Attached to his letter was a copy of one of my Baja_Girl postings
on baja nomad...hi Scott!! So, obviously they are watching and reading what's going on in this forum.
It might be that they realize that there are caring, skeptical people that are going to watch and keep the public informed about what's really going
on.
...in the meantime, some of you know that I missed my flight on Sunday, July 10, out of Loreto so I was "forced" to stay an extra day. Oh well. Life
is tough.
As I was driving around to find a snorkel place with some friends, we were approached but a nice man on a scooter. An employee of the Loreto Bay Inn.
(Oh, she says to herself, this is too funny.) So, I went on to ask about the Inn and Loreto Bay...
...He is NOT from Loreto, his wife REFUSES to move here with their children because of the poor schools...he said that he would NEVER live in one of
the homes because "its so cramped and close together you can hear each other fart" - and he "would never live in one" himself. He understands that
LBC is going to build a school. Where? Nopolo. (Very good for Loreto's children, right?)
He admits that there is no "water harvesting" going on right now because "there is enough water to last for another five years" - but LBC has great
plans to build a dam so that rain water doesn't run off into the ocean. (That will solve alot of problems.) Once the water pipes are fixed, there
will be enough water for another whopping 3000 people!!!
The kicker was when I innocently asked about trash, and he said that he was always told to recycle - and that a big truck came and took the
recyclable trash away to Tijuana.
I was told that the LBC people think that at most they will have 20% normal occupancy and up to 50 - 60% during holidays. So, not to worry...they
really won't need all that much more water.
It was scary. This poor lad seemed to really believe that he was working for a good company that was going to fulfill its promises. I never told
him who I was, or why I was asking all those pesky questions. But, of course, someone at LBC is aware that there are people out there, asking
questions.
The real problem with LBC is that the airport will only bring in so many people per day. If those people are being shuttled off to LBC, then they
are not eating at Mexican-owned restaurants, shopping in Mexican own businesses, and infusing real money to the community. The Mexican workers make
pennies, and the American gringo executives make a fortune.
And worse, they do it by exploiting the reputation of the sweet, nice village that they are destined to destroy.
Hi Scott - so where is that big bad lawsuit from your counsel?
Trucks driving trash to Tijuana...the sum total of LBC's so-called sustainability efforts. So of course they have to pretend to be the good
guys..."Oh see what we do..."
Does this help clarify what is going on?
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craiggers
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Gotta just love all the "Hey hey you, get off of my clould" (because I was here first) attitude. The decline of the sea of cortez started when the
Spaniards arrived in the sixteenth century not when the evil Loreto Bay Co arrived. All non indiginess business owners and residents of Loreto should
also share some of the "blame" for Loreto's popularity. The only thing about Loreto that is going to really change is the way YOU remember it. the
change has been going on for centuries and if you even visit you change things down there.
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jerry
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baja-girl ? was this conversation in english or spanish?? was his name jesus??
lol
and because your a gringo you need to pretend that you care about loreto?? when all you really want to do is live in infamy and try to destroy loreto
bay??
all recycled metals that i know of are shipped to TJ to be prossed is that strange?? its been going on a long time befor you got to loreto lol
wow a worker from loreto bay riding around on a scooter with a family some where else that has a lot better education system he must be an exuctive in
loreto bay by your pennies standards
why would you believe him?? lol
jerry and judi
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Russ
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I've always found Loreto enchanting. A place of dreams and dreamers. I've enjoyed the people of what I considered a village. Even as it grew into a
town there was always a feeling of the simple laid-back adventure. Now as a "city" I'm seeing the glitzy, "I've got money" seeping in and it is NOT a
pretty sight. Yes, progress can be good. Sewer, trash pickup, new water lines and clean water, paved streets and boulevards, more police, firemen and
medical severcies. Also taxis, buses, simi trucks (as in Big rigs), traffic lights and slums. If this doesn't give you the willies then LBC are you
kind of people and Loreto Bay your dream. But why is it that those with a "city" mentality ALWAYS pour into paradise and make a city. Can't they go
and play in their own back yards? OOPS, they don't have yards. Just like Loreto Bay. I've got to stop here, grab a coffee and go sit down out front
and enjoy the PIECE and quiet with my dog. But "I'll be BACK"!
[Edited on 7-22-2007 by Russ]
Bahia Concepcion where life starts...given a chance!
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oldhippie
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These reports have been prepared this year and would make for interesting reading. They are available in La Paz and were written by scientists at:
Centro de Investigaciones Biológicas del Noroeste, S.C. (CIBNOR), initially named Centro de Investigaciones Biológicas de La Paz, A. C., was
established in 1975 by CONACyT (National Council for Science and Technology), UNAM (National University of Mexico), and by the State Government of
Baja California Sur. The founder and first director of the Center was Dr. Félix Córdoba Alva. Its main objective was to foster scientific and
technological development in the area, which had been recently raised from Territory to State. Just as CIBNOR, other research centers in the country
were opened because of science decentralization politics promoted by the Mexican government.
Loreto Bay 2007 studies:
Validation of Master Topographic Level Reference in the Topographic and Hydrological Uplifting of the Federal Coastal Zone for the Residential Tourist
Project "Loreto Bay"
Hydrodynamic Modeling of Rectangular Canals for the Loreto Bay Residential-Tourist Project
Hydrodynamic Modeling for the Estuary System Nopolo-Marina Agua Viva for the Residential Tourist Project "Loreto Bay"
Characterization of the Front Coastline of Loreto Bay and Boca del Estero Nopolo for the Residential Tourist Project "Loreto Bay"
MIA (Environmental Impact Assessment) Particular for the Desalting Plant for the Residential Tourist Project "Loreto Bay"
MIA (Environmental Impact Assessment) Regional Stage 4 for the Residential Tourist Project "Loreto Bay"
Technical Feasibility Study to Authorize Land-Use Change for the Residential Tourist Project "Loreto Bay"
Centro de Investigaciones Biológicas del Noroeste, S.C.
Km. 1 Carretera a San Juan de La Costa "EL COMITAN"
Apdo. Postal 128
La Paz, BCS 23097, México
http://www.cibnor.mx/cibnor/imision.php
[Edited on 7-22-2007 by oldhippie]
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Baja_Girl
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Jerry,
Its not about me and wanting to live in infamy.
It is a serious matter to ask people to spend $400K and more to live in a "sustainable" community - and then have no real scientific or economical
means to make that happen.
It is a serious matter to build 6000 homes and not have the means to control trash, waste, etc...all to the destruction of the environment.
Its the pretense that I dislike. Its the harm to the economy of the "real Loreto" - located north of the airport, that I dislike, because Alaska
Airlines brings people to be shuttled away from town, not into town.
Jerry, I won't address your personal attacks on me because they are silly and irrelevant. I have the financial wherewithal to vacation anywhere in
the world. I go to Loreto because there is no McDonalds, no Starbucks, etc....and I pray and pray that it stays like that.
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Baja Girl.......Very nicely stated!!!!!!! ++C++
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jerry
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BaJa-girl if you are well traveled you know that time changes everything
weather the people live in loreto bay or the city of loreto they will be making the same garbage and sewage and using the same water is that going to
solve the problem??
are you really worried about the people paying $400,000 for a suposidly sustainable city?? or is it like you said a vendeta against loreto bay because
its changing loreto ?? the ends dont justify the means
im not meaning to personally attack you or anyone
now that i have said my peace im otta here AMEN JERRY
jerry and judi
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jerry
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Crusoe if baga girl was so nicly stated why the ++C++
why not a A++
jerry and judi
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Craiggers "the change has been going on for centuries " Yes but not at this pace. More has happened in the past three years than in the prior 35 to
40 years. The last big change in Loreto was when Salinas was President. He put in the wells in San Juan, the malacon and some pavement. No, Loreto
has been impacted a lot by Loreto Bay and will continue to change for the worse as more and more huge projects move into the area. The only thing I
know for sure is that probably will not be for the good of the Mexicans that live there. It is true that LB is working on housing for its workers
(probably under duress due to bad publicity). We also will have new projects taking up our beaches at Playa Ensenada Blanca, Punta Bajo, Playa San
Bruno and Playa Salanitas. If custom holds true, it will be difficult for the Mexicans to use their own beaches. This just isn't right. I have
heard a Mexican Billionaire even wants to buy Isla Coronado. Remember when the Japanese were buying up America? We were all indignant about
that---and why should'nt we be? Loreto Bay will have its own stores and shops...so why would the people there come into town and spend money? Oh
well, a good cleansing hurricane or earthquake should take care of LB---we just have to wait a while.
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| Quote: | | Originally posted by Baja_GirlI go to Loreto because there is no McDonalds, no Starbucks, etc....and I pray and pray that it stays like that.
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It won't. Change is happening all over Mexico. You cannot turn back the clock. You see McDonalds, Costco, Office Depot, Home Depot, WalMart, etc.
popping up all over because that is what Mexicans want...for better or worse from the gavacho viewpoint.
Just by sheer coincidence I happen to know the President of Mc Donalds (he is a naturalized Cuban). At one point in his climb up the corporate ladder
he was head of operations for McDonalds in Mexico. He tells me that you MUST be a Mexican national to own a McDonalds franchise in Mexico. So all
those McDonalds that you see in Mexico are Mexicans trying to get a piece of the American dream. So Mexico for Mexicans.
For the record, I do not care for Big Macs. I much prefer In-n-Out Burgers. And in Loreto, I like Lourdes at McLuLu's. And Loreto Bay is not the
living environment I am looking for so I won't be purchasing there.....but I know many people who have and apparently like it so far.
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Change is Inevitable
And (NOW) Change is coming at an exponential pace EVERYWHERE. Expecting the developers OR the Government to act responsibly is futile. Not only in
Mexico, but anywhere.
Where my home is in the High Desert of California, we are faced with a water shortage and there are restrictions on the use of water for landscape and
other uses. At the same time, we are experiencing an unprecedented boom in new commercial and residential building. The county and city continue to
issue new building permits without ANY consideration of the water or other resources available. In the corrupt atmosphere of Mexican Bureaucracy,
would you expect any different ?
Remember, The final step in dealing with Grief is Acceptance.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by lencho
| Quote: | Originally posted by oldhippie
These reports have been prepared this year and would make for interesting reading. They are available in La Paz and were written by scientists...
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Cool. How did you manage to locate those things? You know how to obtain a copy?
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I did a Google search on "loreto bay pollution" The website I mentioned came up in the list and since the address looked like it was impartial, I took
a look. Larry, if you know SQL, Google searches work really well if you write the query in the same order "SELECT 'loreto bay' FROM INTERNET WHERE
'pollution' equals the query "loreto bay pollution"
I couldn't find any softcopy.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by flyfishinPam
I'm copying and pasting this entire URL but get an access denied message? |
If you just copy www.loretobayfoundation.org and then click on the links to either the 2005 or 2006 annual report you'll get it.
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