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oldhippie
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More reading. Note the scientific and academic institutions who are watching what's going on in Loreto and hopefully will have the teeth to downsize
the development plans to something approaching reasonableness.
http://americas.irc-online.org/am/4080
http://www.icfdn.org/publications/ar2006/002_2006hi.html#lor...
http://www.icfdn.org/publications/ar2006/002_2006hi.html#na
http://www.futurosalternativosloreto.org/index.htm
http://www.icf-xchange.org/spring2007/007_loretowater
Possible contacts - ICF Board of Governors
http://www.icfdn.org/publications/ar2006/007_board.html
The expensive and complicated process of desalination, both magnified by the fragile ecosystem that is Loreto Bay, is explained below by a qualified
engineering firm.
http://www.futurosalternativosloreto.org/desalination/FinalD...
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To the bajanomad members who are have the "Borgish" "Resistance is futile, you too shall be assimilated" attitude I have a question. Do you remember
the big Japanese plans to build a salt production facility near the San Ignacio lagoon? Didn't happen did it. With your attitudes, it would have.
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QUE ?
What the Heck is this Supposed to mean ?
"To the bajanomad members who are have the "Borgish" "Resistance is futile, ........."
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QUE ?
What the Heck is this Supposed to mean ?
"To the bajanomad members who are have the "Borgish" "Resistance is futile, ........."
Are Borgs an ethnic group ?
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to a oldhippie it means somones been bogarting
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oops i couldnt help my self the devil made me do it
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oldhippie
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I see you guys never watched Star Trek. It was a somewhat entertaining science fiction television show that was on for years. The Borgs were cyborgs
who assimilated all life they encountered. No Jerry, it had nothing to do with Humphey Bogart.
I was making the point that the attitude that development is inevitable so resistance to it is pointless is not true. You did read the sentences after
the "Borg" sentence, didn't you? Perhaps not.
Did you guys read anything in the links I posted? I'd be glad to discuss the info with you.
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LB Foundation granted $120,000 in 2006 for the new medical facility. Instituto de Servicios de Salud del Estado de BCS needs to account for how that
money was spent. AND the Medical Facility contributions totaled $111,554. Why wouldn't there be more progress? Who's got the money?
"When Loreto Bay does do somthing for the locals there dammed for that too."
First, it's "they're" and "damned"
Jerry, if you could find that brain cell of yours and do some independent research and analysis - I know that's a stretch - and sorry, don't mean to
bully you - but hey, it's just so easy - you would begin to understand the WASTE and CONVERSION and SELF SERVING grants made by the Loreto Bay
Foundation.
For instance, WHO comprises the Sustainable Community Advisors? Which got $24,000 to develop a "feasibility assessment" (an opinion) to address
vegetative waste. Now you tell me: what was the tangible result of this expenditure? I'll bet it was something along the lines of, "yup, you can
bury it there and nobody will notice."
WHO from The International Ecotourism Society got the $4,271 "for preliminary interviews with Loreto community members to identify needs for
ecotourism courses and training"? And what was the tangible result.
Most of the grants will benefit the Villages of LB development in the long term, rather than benefit Loretanos in the short term. And the LB
Foundation is established in perpetuity, so there is no reason why short term needs cannot be addressed.
The largest grant (and this was a first installment of two) was $124,215 paid to an American engineering firm for a development plan that they will
GIFT to the BCS "state government." Jerry, do you really think this development plan is going to be followed? The working relationship of developers
and government will hardly be constrained by a sustainable development guideline most likely printed in English. That is laughable.
And despite LB Foundation's grantmaking parameters, someone from Arizona State University got $40,000 - yes $40,000 - for research in Loreto regarding
"recreational values" and "benefit transfers of fishery resources." Oh yeah - someone from f____ing Arizona is the best person to do this type of
research. That there isn't already plenty of research in this regard? And what is the result of this research? A report? I'd like to read it. It
should be made available to all Loretanos and put in the public library so that the health, education and welfare of the citizens can be improved. Or
maybe they can use it to prop open the door to allow a breeze to come through.
During 2005 and 2006, over $88,000 was spent on reports, research and comment letters, not to mention the administrative costs associated with the
grant process. How much medical equipment could have been purchased for $100,000? So much for so little.
And let's not overlook the fact that, again, in direct opposition to the concept that "the Loreto Bay foundation is set up to be independent of the
development company [LB Co.], on the Board of Directors sits David Butterfield, a "representative" of the LB Co. A "representative"? Do you think
that term was chosen over "Chairman" to minimize the obvious CONFLICT OF INTEREST?
Self-serving, waste, conversion.
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The International Ecotourism Society's website registrant is Meagan Woods from Burlington Vt. The administration of the website is based in
Washington, DC and, judging from their name, is interested in promoting tourism.
Eco-tourism, in my opinion is a marketing ploy to soften the derogatory connotation of tourism as it is associated with the environment. Anytime you
travel someplace to see the countryside, I suppose you are an eco-tourist. As opposed to travelling to Las Vegas, then you are a gaming-tourist, or
Pataya beach, then you're a sex-tourist.
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oldhippie
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| Quote: | Originally posted by wilderone
And let's not overlook the fact that, again, in direct opposition to the concept that "the Loreto Bay foundation is set up to be independent of the
development company [LB Co.], on the Board of Directors sits David Butterfield, a "representative" of the LB Co. A "representative"? Do you think
that term was chosen over "Chairman" to minimize the obvious CONFLICT OF INTEREST?
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Exactly! That is THE fishy part of this "benevolence". When push comes to shove, and the bean counters tell David that his cash flow is not good, who
will he side with? The citizens of Loreto or his customers? First and foremost, he's a businessman.
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wilderone lets see loreto bay isnt contribuiting enoff.
we cant trust loreto bay
we cant trust the mexican government.
we cant trust the city of loreto
we cant trust anyone who gets paid for a study
we cant trust any study groups unless they agree with you
we sure as hell shouldnt trust the $1000.000 donations to the local health education and wellfare
perhaps star-treckes are the way to go??
help the paranoids are after us?? lol
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perhaps loreto bay should never donate anything to any cause and save its money for litigation that will definatly help loreto
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Jerry, you have a reading comprehension problem.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by jerry
wilderone lets see loreto bay isnt contribuiting enoff.
we cant trust loreto bay
we cant trust the mexican government.
we cant trust the city of loreto
we cant trust anyone who gets paid for a study
we cant trust any study groups unless they agree with you
we sure as hell shouldnt trust the $1000.000 donations to the local health education and wellfare
perhaps star-treckes are the way to go??
help the paranoids are after us?? lol |
$1000.000
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oldhippie
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Good point about Environmental Impact Assessments. Are they paid for by the developers in the US too?
And yes, my use of the word "impartial" is relative to other sources of information, which are largely LB marketing materials.
I'm interested in the following document written by CIBNOR, is that who you work for?
MIA (Environmental Impact Assessment) Particular for the Desalting Plant for the Residential Tourist Project "Loreto Bay".
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| Quote: | Originally posted by oldhippie
Good point about Environmental Impact Assessments. Are they paid for by the developers in the US too?
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Don't know about anywhere else, but in CA, the agency that determines a need for an initial study and/or full environmental impact chooses who does
the report and the developer pays.
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oldhippie
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| Quote: | Originally posted by elizabeth
| Quote: | Originally posted by oldhippie
Good point about Environmental Impact Assessments. Are they paid for by the developers in the US too?
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Don't know about anywhere else, but in CA, the agency that determines a need for an initial study and/or full environmental impact chooses who does
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Well that keeps the fox out of the hen house, sort of.
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oldhippie
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Thanks Larry.
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jerry
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wilderone tell me who you trust as far as loreto bay goes??
tell me something positive mr doom and gloom
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I'm positive Loreto Bay is bad for the environment and that they spin a fantasy to sell prospective buyers and have only hope for success -- not
viable plans nor sensible socioeconomic analyses.
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now that was a nice spin wilderone
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