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im sorry oldhippie but i just wont live my life not trusting anyone besides with that attatude why would anyone trust you???
baja just need a nuclear power plant and there would be plenty of power to run desal plant and everything else effecently the whole world except the
stupid gringos are using them
jerry and judi
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oldhippie
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Jerry, I probably should have said there's no one you can trust when it comes to money. And I'm not asking for you to trust me. Sure, I express
opinions but I also try to back up what I say that are not opinions with links to supporting material.
It is my opinion that the proposed developments are too large when considering the water supply and the very fragile nature of this bone dry area. In
addition, the national marine park directly off shore ( http://www.loreto.com/marinepark/) cannot withstand the usual solution to pollution from sewer and storm runoff systems. The usual solution being
"the solution to pollution is dilution". San Diego has been in violation of the clean water act forever, but because the outfall is rather far
offshore in a deep trench, the dilution solution works. It won't work in the Sea of Cortez.
It is also my opinion that if the Loreto Bay developers were as environmentally conscious as they claim to be, they wouldn't be doing what they are
doing. Their greenwashing is an obvious marketing ploy. I really resent that. Ten years ago developers characterized environmentalists as tree hugging
wackos. Now that the wackos are looking to retire and the IRAs/401Ks are freeing up, they have found religion. BS.
I agree with the nuclear plant idea. Their time is coming.
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Gee, Jerry and oldhippie, nuclear power plants are a great idea in earthquake prone areas...
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elizabeth check it out all most all of the world is supplyed with
power from nukes its safe clean effective effecent with that cheep power a hydrogen engine powered car would be fieasable and effecent
i dont think that earthquakes are part of the problem there built for a hole lot of shakin going on and still being safe
in the history of nukes world wide very few people have been injured or killed compared to any other type of power
people are usally scared of things they dont understand and or cant see
equating a nuke bomb with a power plant is apples and limons
if earthquakes has anything to do with it there shouldnt be any building in most of cali
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| Quote: | Originally posted by elizabeth
nuclear power plants are a great idea in earthquake prone areas... |
They do it all the time in California.  
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oldhippie
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| Quote: | Originally posted by oxxo
| Quote: | Originally posted by elizabeth
nuclear power plants are a great idea in earthquake prone areas... |
They do it all the time in California. |
If there is anything that can withstand an earthquake it's a reactor. And they don't build them ON fault lines. Their numbers will be increasing. But
I don't want to get into a nuclear debate.
Now, Loreto Bay mud (oh, excuse me, adobe) houses will probably disintegrate at the slightest rumble. Is there any rebar in those things?
[Edited on 7-25-2007 by oldhippie]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by jerry
elizabeth check it out all most all of the world is supplyed with
power from nukes its safe clean effective effecent with that cheep power a hydrogen engine powered car would be fieasable and effecent
i dont think that earthquakes are part of the problem there built for a hole lot of shakin going on and still being safe
in the history of nukes world wide very few people have been injured or killed compared to any other type of power
people are usally scared of things they dont understand and or cant see
equating a nuke bomb with a power plant is apples and limons
if earthquakes has anything to do with it there shouldnt be any building in most of cali |
Absolutely!
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comitan
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Is this the type of Nuclear power plant your talking safe about.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/25/world/asia/25japan.html?re...
Strive For The Ideal, But Deal With What\'s Real.
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oldhippie
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yep, exactly! Seven reactors near the epicenter of a 6.8 quake and:
"Nuclear experts applaud the fact that all four of the Kashiwazaki plant’s seven reactors that were operating when the earthquake struck were safely
shut down, despite the unexpected strength of the tremors. "
Now, you probably don't believe the nuclear experts. So who do you believe?
If there were an oil refinery there the whole friggin' thing probably would have exploded.
I'm not going to argue the merits of nuclear power here, nor anywhere unless the participants have some credentials in the area. Both of my degrees
are in physics and the master's work specialized in nuclear power, specifically as it pertains to the environment.
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Oldhippie
I'm not against nuclear power plants I was just bringing this up since some people were saying they were safe.
Strive For The Ideal, But Deal With What\'s Real.
Every day is a new day, better than the day before.(from some song)
Lord, Keep your arm around my shoulder and your hand over my mouth.
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I am absolutely in favor of nuke power However the waste scares the living crap out of me. So If the waste could be cleaned I'd say go for it.
How about Salt Water for fuel? http://youtube.com/watch?v=BtmK3hwYO6U&mode=related&...
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I also support intelligently designed and operated nuke plants.
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Try holding down [control] key and toggle the [+ and -] keys
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oldhippie
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Sharks, you're right on with estuaries being the environmental keystone. What do you think about the Loreto Bay development and its effects on local
estuaries?
OK, one more nuke factoid: there are applications for 28 new power reactors under consideration now.
http://www.nrc.gov/reactors/new-licensing/new-licensing-file...
[Edited on 7-25-2007 by oldhippie]
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oldhippie
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I can't help myself. Reactors typically and dependably produce a kilomegawatt or so.
1,000,000,000 - looks like a billion watts.
A wind turbine produces roughly 20,000 watts (assuming there's the normal amount of wind).
http://www.awea.org/faq/basicen.html
So one reactor = 50,000 wind mills. Man-oh-man, imagine that, whirlygig heaven.
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Old Hippie,
Since you are so well schooled on nukes maybe you could help figure out where we are going to put the radioactive wastes. Right now they are being
"stored" on site at the nuke plants.
Next we could use your help in keeping Iran from developing nuclear power since the uranium enrichment process (which can ultimately produce bomb
grade material) is what's scaring the hell out of lot of folks lately.
The LA times just ran an editorial(no Nukes) explaining some of the key draw backs. Check it out. http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-ed-nuclear23jul23,0,3...
I've got faith that our best minds can invent a safer and cheaper way of boiling water to make steam.
On second thought forget about working on the nuke issue and stay on Loreto Bay's case. Your insights there are much appreciated.
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oldhippie
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Kencito,
Thanks for the link, an excellent article except for the conclusion "Tax dollars are better spent on windmills than on cooling towers."
I could debate this author, but not here. There are solutions to the issues he's raised, he's just not aware of them.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by jerry
baja just need a nuclear power plant and there would be plenty of power to run desal plant and everything else effecently the whole world except the
stupid gringos are using them |
A nuclear power plant... in Mexico?
Out of curiosity, just how many Mexican electricians do you know who understand the concept of a grounded circuit?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
| Quote: | Originally posted by jerry
baja just need a nuclear power plant and there would be plenty of power to run desal plant and everything else effecently the whole world except the
stupid gringos are using them |
A nuclear power plant... in Mexico?
Out of curiosity, just how many Mexican electricians do you know who understand the concept of a grounded circuit? |
Don't forget they know how to plumb 
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oldhippie
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Larry, I'd like to answer your questions but I'm not going to go into it here.
This thread is about the development of Loreto Bay.
However you all might be surprised by the number of reactors around the world. Mexico has two.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nuclear_reactors
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ed-- both of them in loreto lol
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