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mulege marv
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baja bars
i was just wondering how many of you have the bars on your windows ? until recently i was totally against them, but could understand it for those who
left for part of the year and needed to secure the home while away. you thought i meant cantinas didnt you ! 
Want what you have
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Bob and Susan
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you know marv...
i went to "minnows" house in ensenada right after he was broken into and his truck stolen...
the bars were set into the concrete not just bolted on...
they were really secure and the robbers still got them off
if someone wants in...they're in
oh yea...they're ULGY too...
 get a "housesitter" while you're away
there's plenty of locals that would stay there while you're "on vacation"
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DianaT
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HATE bars, but we are having them built and installed. Most of them will be removable for when we are there.
Yes, I know that if someone wants in, they will get in, but this is just to slow down the opportunists. When we have more neighbors, we will probably
get rid of them, but right now we are a little isolated and out of view of most of the town and we will be gone for long periods.
We still were not going to do this, but our neighbor---several lots away on the other side of the road, is only there a few times during the year.
She never had a problem before, but this last time she was gone, someone backed up a truck and cleaned her out---beds, furniture, everything---
The Pro can get in anywhere----just slowing people down. And yes, once our guest room is complete, we will probably use local housesitters.
Diane
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bajalera
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Those are called protecciones [sp?] for good reason.
\"Very few things happen at the right time, and the rest never happen at all. The conscientious historian will correct these defects.\" -
Mark Twain
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DENNIS
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If you're going to use them, use good ones. Unfortunatly, the better they are, stronger, the uglier they are. I've seen them spread apart with a
bottle jack.
If my property was vacant and vulnerable for an extended period, I would shutter the openings from the inside using heavy material. They could be
taken down and stored when the house is occupied.
Nothing is fool-proof but you have to give security your best effort or disaster may well find you.
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bajajudy
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We call it the San Quintin look...not after the city in BC.
As for removable ones...if you can remove them why cant the thieves? I would love to hear your design plans.
The bars over my kitchen window go up and are secured in the roof of the porch when we are here so I can pass food, dishes etc through to the porch.
When they come down, we then put 3 extra heavy duty padlocks on them.....I feel that they are the weak link in our thief defense. BTW, we used to be
in the pinball business so these locks are the hardest steel you can get.
But as our contractor said as they put the last of our bars on...if they want to get in they will.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajajudy
As for removable ones...if you can remove them why cant the thieves? I would love to hear your design plans.
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Like I said, Judy, they are mounted on the inside of the house. If the vermin get close enough to mess with them, it's too late.
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roundtuit
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My place they have to remove plywood, break window, then try to remove bars. the plwood and bars are are removable when I am there. Also have a
neighbor who watches over area. Right Jim 
Never learned from a book-Only from mistakes, mine and yours
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bajajudy
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Dennis
So they wouldnt be bars?
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by roundtuit
My place they have to remove plywood, break window, then try to remove bars. the plwood and bars are are removable when I am there. Also have a
neighbor who watches over area. Right Jim |
That's about all you can do.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajajudy
Dennis
So they wouldnt be bars? |
Not my application. I have used 2x6 lumber, built much like a door or gate, bolted to secure brackets in the wall. Most all of the aperatus could
be removed with no trouble, leaving a clean look. Not beautiful but not bad when done right.
I build strong. Someone is more apt to enter through a wall than a window if I don't want them in the house. I havn't decided how to go on the house
I'm building now. Plus the fact, I hope, that insurance is getting better.
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by jdtrotter
HATE bars, but we are having them built and installed. Most of them will be removable for when we are there.
Yes, I know that if someone wants in, they will get in, but this is just to slow down the opportunists. When we have more neighbors, we will probably
get rid of them, but right now we are a little isolated and out of view of most of the town and we will be gone for long periods.
We still were not going to do this, but our neighbor---several lots away on the other side of the road, is only there a few times during the year.
She never had a problem before, but this last time she was gone, someone backed up a truck and cleaned her out---beds, furniture, everything---
The Pro can get in anywhere----just slowing people down. And yes, once our guest room is complete, we will probably use local housesitters.
Diane |
Wow, this sounds like Ensenada and what's happening there...?
Shari, maybe the local policia can do a few daily drive bys in their nice trucks around Asuncion... 'police patrols'? Neighborhood watch if the
neighbors have a way of calling the police would work too...
Bars on windows and broken glass on the top of walls has been the scene in Mexico for many years... What would some say was the need for this?
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DianaT
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
| Quote: | Originally posted by jdtrotter
HATE bars, but we are having them built and installed. Most of them will be removable for when we are there.
Yes, I know that if someone wants in, they will get in, but this is just to slow down the opportunists. When we have more neighbors, we will probably
get rid of them, but right now we are a little isolated and out of view of most of the town and we will be gone for long periods.
We still were not going to do this, but our neighbor---several lots away on the other side of the road, is only there a few times during the year.
She never had a problem before, but this last time she was gone, someone backed up a truck and cleaned her out---beds, furniture, everything---
The Pro can get in anywhere----just slowing people down. And yes, once our guest room is complete, we will probably use local housesitters.
Diane |
Wow, this sounds like Ensenada and what's happening there...?
Shari, maybe the local policia can do a few daily drive bys in their nice trucks around Asuncion... 'police patrols'? Neighborhood watch if the
neighbors have a way of calling the police would work too...
Bars on windows and broken glass on the top of walls has been the scene in Mexico for many years... What would some say was the need for this?
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Very naive David, very naive. Shari, Juan, and their favorite worker, Efrain all suggested bars for the reasons we listed, and we resisted. Juan,
who might just know a little about the area STRONGLY suggested bars. Still, we resisted
It was not until we talked with Sophia, the really nice lady from Tijuana who owns the house closest to us that we gave into the idea. She was
CLEANED out.
Yes, once we have neighbors it will be different, but don't be so naive. I would trust almost everyone in that village, but people from outside visit
there, and there is drug problem through-out the Vizcaino area. Like it or not, as gringos we are targets, rather isolated at this point, and
everyone knows when we leave town.
Oh, one local suggested that since we don't have bars, we take as much as we could to their place for safe keeping---we declined, but we will have
solid core doors and bars. It is the LOCALS who have pushed us along with our neighbor. Maybe the locals know just a little more about the area than
do you?
Don't appreciate your sarcasm and you need to get a grip on reality.
Diane and John
[Edited on 8-21-2007 by jdtrotter]
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bajalou
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My question is "If the local Mexicans put bars on their windows and use security doors, why would an American, who is perceived as "rich" by most
locals, not want to follow their lead?"
No Bad Days
\"Never argue with an idiot. People watching may not be able to tell the difference\"
\"The trouble with doing nothing is - how do I know when I\'m done?\"
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And in the San Felipe area - check out Valle Chico area |
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DianaT
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajalou
My question is "If the local Mexicans put bars on their windows and use security doors, why would an American, who is perceived as "rich" by most
locals, not want to follow their lead?" |
In our area only a few of the nicer homes have bars, but most of the homes are in town and close to other homes---they all look out for each
other----sometime in the future, we too will have neighbors.
You, however, are correct. Seems like the wise thing to do is listen to and follow the locals.
Diane and John
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toneart
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The answer maybe?
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Minnow
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If you leave your home in Baja for extended periods and don't have someone staying there full time, you WILL be robbed. The degree may vary, but it
will happen. The Meth problem all over baja has gotten so bad that theft is unavoidable. Picture thousands of unemployed young men with no money, no
job, and an insatiable drug habit that keeps them up all night when everybody else is sleeping. I am an insomniac so I can only sleep about 3 hours
at a stretch. MANY nights/early mornings I would sit on my porch a my house in Baja. The amount of these people wandering around and looking in
yards was frightening. Like ants carrying off any speck of food, they were in search of anything that could fetch them a few pesos. As for the bars
they broke through to get into my house, the new ones are even more secure by the way, they brought in a 10 metal post filled with concrete to pry
them open.
Proud husband of a legal immigrant.
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by jdtrotter
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
| Quote: | Originally posted by jdtrotter
HATE bars, but we are having them built and installed. Most of them will be removable for when we are there.
Yes, I know that if someone wants in, they will get in, but this is just to slow down the opportunists. When we have more neighbors, we will probably
get rid of them, but right now we are a little isolated and out of view of most of the town and we will be gone for long periods.
We still were not going to do this, but our neighbor---several lots away on the other side of the road, is only there a few times during the year.
She never had a problem before, but this last time she was gone, someone backed up a truck and cleaned her out---beds, furniture, everything---
The Pro can get in anywhere----just slowing people down. And yes, once our guest room is complete, we will probably use local housesitters.
Diane |
Wow, this sounds like Ensenada and what's happening there...?
Shari, maybe the local policia can do a few daily drive bys in their nice trucks around Asuncion... 'police patrols'? Neighborhood watch if the
neighbors have a way of calling the police would work too...
Bars on windows and broken glass on the top of walls has been the scene in Mexico for many years... What would some say was the need for this?
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Very naive David, very naive. Shari, Juan, and their favorite worker, Efrain all suggested bars for the reasons we listed, and we resisted. Juan,
who might just know a little about the area STRONGLY suggested bars. Still, we resisted
It was not until we talked with Sophia, the really nice lady from Tijuana who owns the house closest to us that we gave into the idea. She was
CLEANED out.
Yes, once we have neighbors it will be different, but don't be so naive. I would trust almost everyone in that village, but people from outside visit
there, and there is drug problem through-out the Vizcaino area. Like it or not, as gringos we are targets, rather isolated at this point, and
everyone knows when we leave town.
Oh, one local suggested that since we don't have bars, we take as much as we could to their place for safe keeping---we declined, but we will have
solid core doors and bars. It is the LOCALS who have pushed us along with our neighbor. Maybe the locals know just a little more about the area than
do you?
Don't appreciate your sarcasm and you need to get a grip on reality.
Diane and John
[Edited on 8-21-2007 by jdtrotter] |
There was no sarcasm... you posted the above and I asked why not ask the local police to do patrols? I answered your u2u as well... I don't know how
you misunderstood my suggestions and questions... but there was nothing sarcastic implied or intended... okay?
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Bob and Susan
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if parents took more time and educated their kids on attitude and drugs in the first place this could stop...
education and spending quality time with children is the answer
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flyfishinPam
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bob and Susan
if parents took more time and educated their kids on attitude and drugs in the first place this could stop...
education and spending quality time with children is the answer |
Very true but according to some on this board this is exclusively a gringo problem
the meth problem is HUGE and all that minnow says is true. I sleep very lightly and have woken up to the same vista as he has, chamacos wandering
around in the night looking like walking skeletons. And this IS very much a LOCALS problem as it is an outsider problem. For years thievery in
Loreto has been growing and the Loretanos are famous for blaming "the outsiders" but it is their sons and daughters that I see partying across from
the radio towers all night when I depart to prepare the fishing boats in the early morning, and it is their sons and daugheters and themselves who are
clients of the tiendita (drug store) which is a stone´s throw away from my house.
if you vacate your land for a season or two, your neighbors KNOW it best advice is to prepare and protect yourself.
when I lived in Switzerland all the houses had these roll up garage door looking things that they used when they vacated their land for a vacation or
extended stay. I would think that kind of thing would work well and also serve for storm protection.
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