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marv sherrill
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tijuana - new problems
Tried to cross the border around 2 o'clock today - cops everywhere - all roads blocked to border - ambulances, etc - what a mess - preliminary
hearsay- big shoot out - cops vs cartel and innocent americans - got diverted to Otay mesa - never go there to get across the border without a sentry
pass - what a mess - just a heads up now but I'm sure details will follow on this board - those with connections I'm sure can help with details -
sorry I don't know more - Marv
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Marv,
There are 1,000's of federal police and military in or heading for Tijuana, Mexicali, Rosarito, etc. right now. I read something last week in one of
the Mexico City papers that they were going to gain control from the drug lords and I'm sure a lot of it has to do with the Baja mayors trip to Mexico
City.
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According to the San Diego Union Tribune, hundreds of federal police arrived in Tijuana yesterday in a new effort to fight organized crime...
They're saying about 1,000 officers would be arriving, and possibly as many as 2,000.
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/mexico/tijuana/20080109-9...
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New problems??
Sounds like they are finally addressing problems. I welcome this news.
Can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.
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Hook
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I couldnt agree with Jose Maria Ramos (from the article) more.
What are they going to DO
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marv...
unless you know for sure you should
NOT assume there was a "big shoot out"
the police have been closing the ramp to the border earlier and earlier each week because of traffic
they even close off the rear entrance because of too much traffic
they have to keep the traffic flowing to avoid grid-lock
thing written on the internet are often taken too seriously and do harm
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We should also not try to sweep things under the rug in order to gain tourism. All info and or rumors should be made public. After all, many times
there is a lot of truth in rumors! Let the situation settle and the tourism flow will start again.
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We have Baja Nomad to keep us happy until it is safe enough to return or to maintain a boycott of Baja until they get their act together... which it
seems they are working on.
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I did a search and foud these references to the current situation...
One year ago Calderon said he would mass troops along the border region repeatedly.
http://www.univision.com/content/content.jhtml?cid=1056414
The troops have begun arriving in Texas and TJ. There are about 1,000 in TJ now and there will be 1,000 more. There are equal amounts in Texas.
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/mexico/tijuana/index.html
There have been shootouts.
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/mexico/20080107-1934-mexi...
The police are surrendering their weapons. A interim TJ commander was killed in an 'ilicit act' by his body guards--rightfully. Over the last days and
weeks there have been various people killed who were apparently involved in corruption.
The drug cartels include US trained combatants who use techniques such as police uniforms, aggressive attacks and intimidation.
To have success the military must be aggressive and vigilant. It has been shown to be working which has reduced drug flow across the Mexico border
region and increased the violence while cartels fight back. Conversely drug flow is on the rise through Canada and the drugs are morphing into super
meth plus exctasy and meth in marijauna derivatives.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080104....
What is needed is 100% vigilance, higher levels of prosecution, longer more difficult prison terms, higher pay for police plus support in technology
and training.
Either this is the beginning of better times or the end of good times but at present these are all good signs. If each effort was increased that would
be good.
Not a good time to be a corrupt, drug selling cop... I wish he would send the miitary to every city in Baja and retrain cops.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bob and Susan
marv...
unless you know for sure you should
NOT assume there was a "big shoot out"
the police have been closing the ramp to the border earlier and earlier each week because of traffic
they even close off the rear entrance because of too much traffic
they have to keep the traffic flowing to avoid grid-lock
thing written on the internet are often taken too seriously and do harm
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This "closing off the border line" is a real pain in the you-know-what at San Ysidro. The Via Rapido should allow you to get in the lane marked "to
san diego" and enter one of the two traffic lanes up the bridge and into the inpection lanes. When the traffic is bad though (always these days), the
"barbies"close off all the lanes with yellow tape and make everyone go around. (By go around, I mean go around most of TJ- you can't get back into
line or even back into line at Zona Rio- you have to corss the flood channel and try from the other side (Padre Kino).
The only solution I have found is to NOT take the via rapido after playas de tijuana- just keep going up the hil land down the ther side instead of
making the loop. You wil run parellel to the via rapido on the main streets, drive through downtown TJ and the same street turns into the lane to the
USA. The "Barbies" don't turn away the Mexican cars from downtown TJ, just the cars coming from the Via Rapido (toll road and playas).
Yeah, it's a nmess and I could see whay it might look like a military action... jmho though
[Edited on 1-9-2008 by Woooosh]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
We have Baja Nomad to keep us happy until it is safe enough to return or to maintain a boycott of Baja until they get their act together... which it
seems they are working on. |
DK
Are you boycotting Baja?
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Yesterday in Rosarito
at the small mid-town Pemex, an open pickup truck with six federales aboard pulled in and started filling up the teflon gas cans that were in the back
(two 60-gallon and four thirty gallon containers).
The body language of the soldiers was relaxed, as they joked with the Pemex attendents, but they kept their carbines up and out and stood apart from
each other, each one keeping an eye on a different direction as they waited.
As we left town, we saw another truck filled with soldiers pull into the parking lot for Banco Santander and disappear into the covered, open area in
the back.
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marv sherrill
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Thanks for the replies - We were just getting bits and pieces off of the radio- need to get Sirius! - last night late we found out that this
altercation occurred at the Texas -Mex border and not Tijuana - I put it out as a feeler and not a fact - I guess there is no good time to cross the
border, and yes the military had a huge presence -all wearing their scary ski masks -especially at the toll booths -
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The military is all over Rosarito and patrolling with their machine guns out, loaded and waving. Considering that 30 Rosarito officers just got fired
after ballistics tests- that's a good thing (at least for now).
More interesting is that Mexican officials feel the visibility of the military in town will help tourists realx and fell safer. They don't know
Americans well I guess.
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Hook
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
The military is all over Rosarito and patrolling with their machine guns out, loaded and waving. Considering that 30 Rosarito officers just got fired
after ballistics tests- that's a good thing (at least for now).
More interesting is that Mexican officials feel the visibility of the military in town will help tourists realx and fell safer. They don't know
Americans well I guess. |
Bout damn time they started doing some ballistics testing in all this. It's the new smoking gun.........well, not so new except in Mexico, I guess.
The one thing I rue with all this military intervention is that it means there is zero chance that anyone will be able to conduct an effective sting
operation. That would have been instantly effective and the bad guys would be wondering what's a legitimate target and what's a trap.
As it is now, they will just be laying low until the troops are removed.
[Edited on 1-9-2008 by Hook]
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| Quote: | | Quote: | Originally posted by Hook
. They don't know Americans well I guess. |
Bout damn time they started doing some ballistics testing in all this. It's the new smoking gun.........well, not so new except in Mexico, I guess.
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And who in their right mind would hand in a dirty weapon for ballistics testing?
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I was just visiting the investigators in el ministerio policia in the case of my home robbery I have discussed here, and there the Policia each had
copies of the Gringo Gazette articles, translations, letters of no cofidence and discussion of the case of corruptos, they do believe that its not a
good time to be corrupt cops, those that are will get killed or at least loose everything as this is a time to distinguish yourself with clear and
positive actions.
Its a different day. But a day filled with fear.
The pressure to do their job must be felt throughout from the street beat to the judges to the prisons.
Remember if you don't report crime and bring two witnesses they can't fight it very well. So go and make the reports and identify the criminals.
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Hook
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| Quote: | | Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by Hook
. They don't know Americans well I guess. |
Bout damn time they started doing some ballistics testing in all this. It's the new smoking gun.........well, not so new except in Mexico, I guess.
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And who in their right mind would hand in a dirty weapon for ballistics testing? |
A policeman who had one taken away from him when the new set of clean cops moved in from Mexico City.
No one said alot of these bad cops were smart.
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No one said alot of these bad cops were smart. |
That surely is the truth...but there is more in the fact that they have gotten away with it so long, they cannot think in those terms.
Albert G
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