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[*] posted on 1-19-2008 at 01:16 PM


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OK guys, those of you who do not want to hear about Asuncion...por favor don't open the threads...


Shari, with all due respect, the "infomercial" can and has appeared on any threads regardless of the subject. So, even if I wanted to follow your suggestion, it would leave me not opening essentially ANY thread on this board. This was not a criticism, but an observation, so spare me the usual "if you don't like it, don't read it" malarkey.
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[*] posted on 1-19-2008 at 01:23 PM


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I have grown to love some RV'ers.....especially the canadian or far north yankee ones!


Opps, I guess geography determines a person's character----interesting. Just another form of bigotry. There are great people and real a$$holes all over the US and Canada -- and both types have appeared in Bahia Asuncion from both places. JMHO

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[*] posted on 1-19-2008 at 07:12 PM


I gather from the original post, that after a gringo builds a place in mexico, the road to that place becomes "their road" and they now have a say on who is welcolme, or not.

Because I got their first! Before those "other types", I should have a say in what happens here in this foreign country.... and I say no big motorhomes, small trailers ok, but not those long fifth wheels either. wow they make a 38 footer on a bumper hitch! no thats too big. and no more than 4 of you on the road at a time!

and as far as your takes on RV groups...

My father and his wife (both in their 70's), love baja! They have the time and the money to travel baja in the winter,for weeks at a time. They have found the safest way at this time, is to travel in groups. It is so nice to read the post from those of you that feel these groups are such a problem. I am sure the mexicans living around you feel much different, and welcolme this type of traveler in the long run EVEN MORE THAN YOU! Oh my god not more than us, the people LOVE US!

Seasonal travelers spend lots of money. and they spread it around.

so think about this..... to the mexicans, the guys that come down for a few weeks here and there are more valuable in the long run than you are.
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[*] posted on 1-19-2008 at 08:05 PM


All I can say is I hope all of you know what you're in for with the current paving going out there. Like one of the other posts on this thread the BoLA road and most other secondary paved roads in Baja North or South are generally a nightmare. The BoLA road was completly torn up, a raised causeway was built with imported road bed material, rolled and watered and at least 4 inches of paving was put down. IMHO it is a better road than Mex 1. The construction techniques were also due in part to BoLA being the proposed put-in point in the SOC for Escalera Nautica.
We traveled the road out to BA in October and it looks like the typical 2 inches of asphalt over the existing sand road bed, soon to be a pot holed nightmare.
I like the dirt roads and do not like to see one of my favorites paved. But it is not my place to say one way or the other. Many of you know why I like the dirt that have seen our rig.
To Shari and Juan and all the other wonderful folks in BA, I hope my post is completely wrong for the sake of your already abused vehicles.




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[*] posted on 1-20-2008 at 08:38 AM


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Bad Roads = Good People...:light:

Good Roads = ALL KINDS OF PEOPLE :o

(Mama Espinoza, El Rosario, 1973):yes:


That's a funny quote, as she gained the most from the road opening the same year.
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[*] posted on 1-20-2008 at 02:36 PM


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Originally posted by David K
Bad Roads = Good People...:light:

Good Roads = ALL KINDS OF PEOPLE :o

(Mama Espinoza, El Rosario, 1973):yes:


That's a funny quote, as she gained the most from the road opening the same year.


805------so, just because Mama E. made some money from the hoards coming down the paved road she can't say what she "believes" in her heart????? I am beginning to see where you are "coming from", and I find it-------ah------ amusing. :lol:
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[*] posted on 1-21-2008 at 04:53 PM


If Diver puts in an RV park, give me space #1 for as long as we can stay.

We have stayed in wonderful, well designed, well landscaped, RV parks accross the US, Mexico and Canada. Without these facilities there is likely to be more use of Generators, inappropriate dumping etc. than if reliable power and infrastructure is available. I know that Asuncion has it's own power plant and water supply.

I have also run into more and more RV travelers who are adventurous and travel "off the grid", fully self contained, who prefer to "boondock", stay on their own outside RV parks. More and more resources i.e. solar panels etc. are available to these RVers. They all however require dumping facilities to purge their gray and black water tanks. Appropriate dumping as well as water and electrical facilities must be available if these rigs are to live compatability in a community.

Appropriate nfrastructure therefore is essential and a person who understand the realities of the needs of these vehicles, i.e. actually using the ground wire in the cable, sewer systems etc. as well as the need for asthetic landscaping, could provide an excellent resource for RVers and the community.

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[*] posted on 1-21-2008 at 05:57 PM


Fish------now THAT is a very sensible response and comment. And, I think you are right, and that is ok with me, despite the pangs of yesteryear that tug at my heart.

barry :)
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[*] posted on 1-21-2008 at 07:59 PM


Barry,

I appreciate your comment.

I have fly fished Quesnel Lake in BC for trout for the past thirty five years. I recall the first few years with no electricity and wood stoves for heat and cooking. Road paved, many new houses, hillsides denuded, Grizzlies retreated into the forest, powerlines, "the entire catastrophy". Each year I told my fishing buddy "these are the good old days". Well, you know what? I took Mrsfish there a year ago and I caught a ten pound Quesnel Lake Trout, a subspecies of the Kamloops, on my five weight fly rod, weighed and released it to fight again. Mrsfish landed it, no small feat for a fish that size with a rod that small. Upon releasing it I turned to Mrsfish and said, "These are the good old days".

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