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kimberlee
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Now, if you live in baja, it's hard not to be involved in politics |
:? efine involved. Can you vote? Can you legally involve yourself in any way?
It is morally presumptuous for foreigners to offer opinions about anything involving another country's governance. It reminds me of all of the
Canadians offering unsolicited advice and punditry about American politics and government.
Most tourist towns in Mexico survive on a milder form of the scam purported by Gnukid. Cabo was built on overcharging.
Keep yourself out of trouble, don't run a tab in places you don't know, and trust the help, and butt out of other people's business.
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ohh that's a pretty funny post there 
and the Mexican government doesn't make it a point to involve themselves in American politics? what a hoot! take a look at their constant meddling
in american immigration policy. thank about it, please. nfm.
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DENNIS
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What is kiting? You guys actually fly kites or is it something more exotic?
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gnukid
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You can sweep or rake the neighborhood, pick up garbage, work together to raise money for schools and needy groups. You can educate, take classes and
share the wealth of information you have. You can get involved in animal adoption.
There is no limit to the amount of involvement you can achieve to help your town without being meddlesome or an irritant.
The Kiters and windsurfers working with pangueros and teacher in La Ventana raised 11k US in just 4 days this last week and built 4 new school
bathrooms and even more school supplies learning tools. That's a good example.
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vandenberg
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
What is kiting? You guys actually fly kites or is it something more exotic? |
Dennis,
You mean like in "Go fly a kite "?
I think it has something to do with some kind of watersport.
Hanging under a big kite that's towed by a boat.
Gibby, enlighten us.
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comitan
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Dennis
Kite boarding I think is a better description.
Strive For The Ideal, But Deal With What\'s Real.
Every day is a new day, better than the day before.(from some song)
Lord, Keep your arm around my shoulder and your hand over my mouth.
“The sincere pursuit of truth requires you to entertain the possibility that everything you believe to be true may in fact be false”
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Tomas Tierra
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Aweful quiet there Skeetero.....?
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Cap
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| Quote: | Originally posted by kimberlee
ohh that's a pretty funny post there
and the Mexican government doesn't make it a point to involve themselves in American politics? what a hoot! take a look at their constant meddling
in american immigration policy. thank about it, please. nfm. |
Alright I'll think about it:
I am not denying that people and gov'ts get inapropriately involved in foreign matters. What I am objecting to, is expatriates that stick their noses
in local politics, as if it is their place. I realize that political outcomes affect them because they live there, but it is presumptuous to bring
your northern sensibilities to their adopted home. Not to mention, depending on how far they take it, there are legal ramifications.
There are more than a few expats that get overly enthusiaistic about their new surroundings, and derive a sense of self importance from proving how
well assimilated and connected they are. Then, they take these attitudes into overstepping their welcome.
The only reason I brought it up, was to answer a smug lecture on civic responsibilities, from someone that seems to be involved an a significant
amount of drama.
I would usually ignore this behavior, and just enjoy the looks the locals give when they leave, but a call to action on these pages was a little to
much to leave alone.
Fly low, land on roads.
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gnukid
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On the other hand, not being involved in your surroundings is considered shallow, cold and aloof which was the point of civic involvement.
What if you were personally invited by neighbors to visit a city rally/fiesta where purchases of food and drinks benefited the community or a specific
charity and you didn't go? How are you perceived?
The argument for being involved is that some people who want the benefits of living in mexico should contribute to the well being of the city.
Its painfully obvious...
No one is forcing you to be a part of your community wherever you live but to argue against being involved to do your part is really silly.
[Edited on 2-1-2008 by gnukid]
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Cap
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| Quote: | Originally posted by gnukid
On the other hand, not being involved in your surroundings is considered shallow, cold and aloof.
What if you were personally invited by neighbors to visit a city rallys/fiesta where purchases of food and drinks benefited the community or a
specific charity and you didn't go? How are you perceived?
The argument for being involved is that some people want the benefits of living in mexico should contribute to the well being of the city.
Its painfully obvious... |
apples and oranges, my friend.
Fly low, land on roads.
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Hook
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Cap
| Quote: | Originally posted by kimberlee
ohh that's a pretty funny post there
and the Mexican government doesn't make it a point to involve themselves in American politics? what a hoot! take a look at their constant meddling
in american immigration policy. thank about it, please. nfm. |
Alright I'll think about it:
I am not denying that people and gov'ts get inapropriately involved in foreign matters. What I am objecting to, is expatriates that stick their noses
in local politics, as if it is their place. I realize that political outcomes affect them because they live there, but it is presumptuous to bring
your northern sensibilities to their adopted home. Not to mention, depending on how far they take it, there are legal ramifications.
There are more than a few expats that get overly enthusiaistic about their new surroundings, and derive a sense of self importance from proving how
well assimilated and connected they are. Then, they take these attitudes into overstepping their welcome.
The only reason I brought it up, was to answer a smug lecture on civic responsibilities, from someone that seems to be involved an a significant
amount of drama.
I would usually ignore this behavior, and just enjoy the looks the locals give when they leave, but a call to action on these pages was a little to
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Even worse, they sometimes insist on implementing rules like back at home............and end up destroying the very reason they came to Mexico in the
first place; too damn many rules in the US of A.
It's a fine line to walk, really. You want some accountability out of a government that has rarely shown any to it's own citizens but you dont want it
becoming any less free than it is.
I'll leave it to others to figure out which government I'm talking about here.
The Repubs seem to have a new definition of accountable in Washington these days. Sad, really. I used to identify more with them but Bush changed all
that. Recent polls of other likely Republican voters show I am not alone. I guess it takes disasters like Nixon and the Bushs to come along every so
often for some of us to even CONSIDER voting for Dems.
I am risking having this thread banished to the off-topic area so I'll end it here.
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Skeet/Loreto
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WOW!!!
Thnaks to all of the Posters, Good, Bad, and indeferrent!!
Please all Posters to back to my Original Post. Then go down and read where Gnukid was going to send U2u without names {at my request}.
Those U2U's were never received by me {5 days ago}.
To Jesse and all of my other good Friends{and to TUCKER in his Heaven}, May he Rest in Peace!
I did a pre Investigation of this Matter as posted by GNUKid- There was no evidence that it ever Happened!!
For some of you Posters, Police and Investigation matters are done different in La Paz as in Calif. or Texas. They must be done very Quietly and with
out revealing your Sources.
My Offer to do a complete Investigation still stands without revealing any of my Sources.
Now I may seem to be Religious in that I beleive in Faith, Hope and charity! Also Common Sense. I am only 76 years old with a Beautifull young Wife of
52 Years who I will celebrate 21 Years of Marriage on Feb. 14th 2008, We have been together 27 years!
I still Fly Airplanes, Ride Horses, Run a Tractor, and Serve as Alderman to my Texas Community. So don't you write me off Yet!!
Nataline Ann, "Who Peed in a Pan" I love because she is a Real Person of Quality and she is from Berkerely!!!
Same goes for Bajalera- and she lives in La Paz as well as many others who are Quality People.
Do you not think If all this bad stuff was happening that None in La Paz would complain to the Bureau of Tourism????,The Minstero of Police???
The Governor??????
Comon People make some Inquries to you Local Friends about this "So-Called Happening".
Gnukid: I would appreciate those U2U's as well as a Photo posted on this web of the Bismark 2 Fish Stand located about 4 blocks East of Setp 16th
Gnukid have you ever been to the Public Market?? Where is the Sports Shop Located. ??? How about the very good Bookstore. and while you are near the
Bookstore let us Know what the Building behind the Mission Contains? Who Occupies it??
I will again Apolgize to any of the Board Members who I may have Offended , on this Thread and any previous Threads.
Vag. You are right I did get a little excited and got off the Off-Topic. Will never go Back!
Now I will go back and read everbody's Post again to see if I missed anything. God Bless you All and keep you safe Happy and SANE!!
Skeet/Loreto
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Skeeter Peter.
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comitan
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Ban, Ban, Nixon was a pussycat Ban, Ban
Strive For The Ideal, But Deal With What\'s Real.
Every day is a new day, better than the day before.(from some song)
Lord, Keep your arm around my shoulder and your hand over my mouth.
“The sincere pursuit of truth requires you to entertain the possibility that everything you believe to be true may in fact be false”
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gnukid
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And to the point of this thread, when someone reports that there are robberies and has evidence in the form of police reports noting the bad cops
names etc... provided by good cops wouldn't the appropriate response be, lets ask the city to look into it, not to assasinate the character of the
victims, witnesses, friends and long distance posters?
Lets stick to the issue. As a group it would benefit us to learn to work with the system. When you have a problem, you need to follow the normal path
to resolution.
1) Report the crimes, with as many witnesses as possible.
2) Call the authorities and ask them to check into the investigation.
3) Tell neighbors and friends about the problem and let them when and where to be on guard.
4) When you see something suspicious call the police and report it.
5) Follow up repeatedly.
No guarentee these things work but they are among the many steps which will help to raise awareness.
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comitan
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Gnukid
Maybe you should start a Mexican ethics class, Blah, Blah.
And I swore to my self I wouldn't give you anymore of the attention you seem to need so badly.
[Edited on 2-1-2008 by comitan]
Strive For The Ideal, But Deal With What\'s Real.
Every day is a new day, better than the day before.(from some song)
Lord, Keep your arm around my shoulder and your hand over my mouth.
“The sincere pursuit of truth requires you to entertain the possibility that everything you believe to be true may in fact be false”
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gnukid
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skeet I asked you if you received them and you never replied? Is the proper method to u2u just put the name skeet in the name field, correct? I did
tests as well to myself and they were received.
And if you never received them how did you make your conclusions reporting you did investigate? Whatever I am kind of over this sidetrack of the issue
which is actauly being addressed by authorities.
Skeet why don't you u2u me and see if I can reply to you?
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gnukid
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Comitan I am sorry if this line upsets you. Thats really not my intention. If there are other approaches you have to help out here with a neighbor in
need, please I am open to suggestions.
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kimberlee
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Calmate Skeeter, and thanks for the offer, the "charitable non profit" (as per your post to me) offer to do a full investigation. Please do the
investigation and report your findings here as many of us just don't have time to verify every internet post in cyberspace and determine if it is
truthful or not. You seem to have the capacity and have proved yourself among many in this crowd. So I among this crowd am awaiting your full
report.
I'll check back when you have posted it. 
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Cap
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Nataline Ann, "Who Peed in a Pan" I love because she is a Real Person of Quality and she is from Berkerely!!!
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Skeet, I don't know you, or know what has transpired with this incident. But it looks like we agree on one thing. Nena, is lovely, and truly a quality
person. Now, I think I need to hear the pan peeing story.
Fly low, land on roads.
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Skeet/Loreto
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Van; Hate to inform you but I do Not Lie; Every thing I have Posted has been the Truth. My Opinions are my Truthfull Opinions. I will refer you to my
very First Post about Loreto Bay Villages when I ask "Where are they going to get the Water??"
Tell me Van: Do you know who has the Power in Loreto?? Constitution, Mulege? La Paz.?? Hope you get out of you House and Ask Questions, look around,
might be surpised.
My Faith has always carried me through Life, I happen to beleive in Positive Good Things instead of "If it Feels Good Do It" kind of a Life Style>
I was able, through Hard work to retire in Loreto when I was 53 Years Old, I became honored by the Loreto People to the Point that I was trusted to
buy and sell their Property.,. Never ever had a Mexicano talk down at me for going to the Mission and saying a Prayer, even through I am Not Catholic.
I am proud to say that I was one Americano that became involved in my Community of Loreto successfully.I happen to like the Mexicano People and their
Way of Life.
Skeet/Loreto
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gnukid
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Skeet
I am a little bit over your insulting and off topic posts. You have been of no help here and if anything have wasted our time here.
As you would see I have posted the contact address for the secretary of tourism Albert Trevino Angulo and many other addresses?
What is the possible point of accusing me of not living in La Paz? While the one who is not in La Paz is YOU!
There is no shock to anyone living here that the police are often engaged in extortion and hassling of people for nothing. The issue at hand is what
do you do about it?
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