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Cervisin
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Signature looks good to...
...had to hang that one one, looks very good with typewriter on top of the signature. They sure do things different here, first sign and then
type..... darn, Mexico surprises me again and again....
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Cervisin
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No, I'm just looking how deep the BS is - regular rubber boots don't do anymore, fisherman leggings or a wet suit is called for....
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tripledigitken
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did this incident occur at Lord Blacks? Now this is getting really interesting.
Ken
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Cervisin
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Yep, Ken - new readers might get lost here since the thread name changed - the original thread, with fractions deleted - was this:
Puros Coruptos: el sangre de La Paz
Then it been 3 guys, inclusive a developer, that went to a "RESTAURANT" for a few drinks and got screwed now, 2 weeks later we got 2 guys left and the
"RESTAURANT" is Lord Black.
The gnuguy is spelling his flossom here and actually participating in that thread is against logic + reason since he's to my opinion an attention
prostitute that likes to stir the pot and see who takes the bait.
On the other site: somebody new might find that thread by a search for La Paz or Baja info, considers Baja Nomad a reasonable source for information
and believes that basura.
I'm not denying corruption and some rotten apples in the police basket but this here is blown way, way out of proportion.
I'm not retired and cant spend time to "investigate" yet I have a few connections in the media in La Paz and made a few phone calls. So far:
Canal 8 - know nothing
Canal 10 - know nothing
Sudcaliforniano - know nothing
Peninsula - know nothing
Mexico Unido Contra La Delincuencia (www.mucd.org.mx) - know nothing.
(And that connections are not the cleaning lady and some of them guys real like to get facts to publish it..... )
So, I assume, that must be all so secret that originator of that trash might have to kill us after giving us "facts" so we can watch out where to go.
Don't need to watch out when going to Lord Black - it's an pudero and being overcharged at places like that is quiet common and not limited to La Paz
or Mexico. Mostly it's not even overcharged but the guy's order but no ask what they get and what it cost, If it ever happened - maybe being drunk
and then big-mouth the police - oh well, I'm not sorry for them guy's at all. Establishments like that are not comparable to a strip joint or table
dance place in the states yet services offered when having the "private dance" go way further and at other location this is called a brothel.....
When i came mid 80' to the states i worked 1/2 year or so as bouncer at Dirty Dan's - we had this kind of accusations at least 1 time a week
(overcharge) - mainly from guy's that had a hard time explaining there wifes or girlfriends where the money went. Some incredible stories been dished
out then...
And we had to call police or shore-patrol at times and them guy's been "very smart" in there statements with them cops also... guess what - they got
what they deserved.... from them.
In general - I question that report and will spend some more time when available finding out
For newbies that ready all of that: don't believe that crap about La Paz - you are here as safe as in any other place if you stick within the brackets
common sense gives you.
And for all the nomads that read that thread: keep in mind the statement about the olives a few pages back - think global and buy your olives local!!
I mean when the guy writes somethings that makes sense: more power to him.....
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gnukid
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Look this was one incident, among many, one day in La Paz. Just like many other days . Some nice people got hassled. The police gave an
identification of the cops and manager who pulled the stunt.
Its very emotional for those who were violated and apparently for the readers as well.
I am not trying to convince you of anything. I am only saying what I know to be factual and my experience.
Why this makes everyone go into a tizzy and do everything except actually ask for a explanation from the police on duty that day and insist there are
lies is beyond me.
Cops made many many mistakes that day. They arrived before the incident with masks, they abused the victims, they lied about where they were going and
tried to hide the victims, they asked for many times more than than the original amount, the played many games of obsfucation.
It is clear that it happened to all and that these things are part of the system and something we encounter here.
Cervesin, The people involved on some days have been able to speak about and some days they felt too scared and intimidated and deleted the report.
Apparently its a bad idea to look for support here because you wont find it.
Look, what it comes down to is what would you do, if you lived in a town where some rogue cops hassled you. Everyones reaction here speaks to the
issue. Its not easy to speak about extortion. Its not easy to talk about it in your own neighborhood, its not easy to handle it for many people.
Finding proactive ways to deal with corruption would be helpful.
There have been no lies in this report.
[Edited on 2-2-2008 by gnukid]
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gnukid
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Cervesin,
Even though I live close to Lord Black I have never been in there. Nor have been to any gentlemens club. I referer to it as a club or restaurant
because I believe it is.
Yes it should be clear apparently some people have trouble there according to many reports.
The incident with another friend who is a developer happened the same week at a different location. Apparently he is smarter and richer than me and
too smart to say anything in public.
Look we are dealing with it. It will be addressed, things happen slowly here and truly it is not a srious enough crime to warrent jail time in these
parts of the world. Its just part of life.
Be careful, have fun and enjoy the weekend.
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gnukid
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And to Skeet and everyone, I in no way reported to you what happened because I hate La Paz, its quite the opposite, I love La Paz and so do all my
neighbors and friends and we would like to stop these stupid crimes by rogue cops.
If we did we would give a fantastic gift to La Paz just like the nice cops that identified the bad cops and manager in this report.
If you want to help your town, you might need to identify the simple problems and go after them. It might not be fun. But its not hard to do if you
love your town, we are going after the manager of Lord Black and the two bad cops who play this game.
We are not going to let these happen here.
[Edited on 2-2-2008 by gnukid]
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Cap
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I had given up on this thread, because I felt it had deteriorated to the point of ridiculous. Now I read that this all happened early morning hours at
a "gentlemans club".
The point of all of this is to warn people that drinking in the red light district, may lead to a bigger tab than one intended, and a ride in a cop
car? Thanks for the news flash.
And furthermore the the La Paz local gnu guy says he doesn't know that Lord Blacks is not a restraunt. 
I guess all the signs and flyers with the naked lady sillouhette on them were too subtle.
looking for empathy, or support for the so called victims and stirring up all this trouble isn't really being a good citizen in this community. Save
your lectures, mind your own garden
Fly low, land on roads.
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vandenberg
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Aaaah......
Those giant tabs are part of " cathouse " economics.
Gnukid, too young to understand the true price of " *****"   
 
[Edited on 2-2-2008 by Hose A]
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gnukid
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Are you so cynical?
Do you believe that anyone deserves to be victimized in planned out scam of kidnapping and extortion? This is not okay, not here or anywhere.
Its as important that we address the collusion between the manager and the cops and the police capitan in this case as any case.
People of La Paz should feel free to visit La Paz free from fear of rogue cops, let alone the financial extortion and kidnapping and physical abuse.
Cap, It really doesn't matter that you think its fine where you live.
It's not fine with the people who live here. Not for one minute.
And at least for now, be aware of this at LordBlack.
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gnukid
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One case, one day, one problem, the difference is the rogue cops got identified. Its not easy.
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Cap
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gnu, you are very important for living abroad. Thank you for gracing us with reports of official misdeeds in strip clubs. You are truly doing noble
work. I apologize for being cynical, and suggesting that people that frequent these establishments should pay cash as you go for drinks and other
activities.
Of course, the question might be asked why a knowledgable local, such as yourself, allowed these nice people to get in such a predicament in the first
place. I have personally pulled many passengers, and foolish drunk tourists out of jams like this.
Again, you are very cool and important for living in La Paz.
Fly low, land on roads.
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Skeet/Loreto
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This is for the "Youngster".
Oh so many years ago in one of my many Visits to the "Night Life" of La Paz, there was a Place across the Street from the Public Market where you
could get a Good Drink, Get a Good Nite of Dancin, and spend the rest of the Night in Bed with the Dancin Lady of your Choice. $20 plus the Drinks.
In the morning a Taxi would pull up to the Hotel and Transport the Young Lady Home.
Me thinks that the "Young One" has many College Degrees but very Little Actual Experience in "LIFE"!
My Thanks to all the Posters.
To all new and Future Vistors to that Great City of La Paz. Do not let the Negative Words stop you from Visiting this Place, It is very Calm,
considerate, and Safe. Enjoy Life, Adventure, Meet the People, Be Aware of your surroundings.
"If you are going to DANCE" you will have to Pay the PIPER".
Skeet/Loreto
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gnukid
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Skeet
Okay so now if you don't visit prostitutes you don't know about life?
There was no sex involved here, nor was there in the similar circumstances the night before and the night after that were reported. Its a story about
a scam, one among many, it is a sophisticated well planned kidnapping and extortion.
Look don't try to justify what is injustifiable and a too common occurance.
I think a better point to make is, "if you rob good people they will talk about it and they won't come back, and you will get in trouble and lose your
job and be held accountable to a judge."
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gnukid
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Quote: | Originally posted by Cap
gnu, you are very important for living abroad. Thank you for gracing us with reports of official misdeeds in strip clubs. You are truly doing noble
work. I apologize for being cynical, and suggesting that people that frequent these establishments should pay cash as you go for drinks and other
activities.
The problem reported was about a kidnapping and extortion
Of course, the question might be asked why a knowledgable local, such as yourself, allowed these nice people to get in such a predicament in the first
place. I have personally pulled many passengers, and foolish drunk tourists out of jams like this.
The victims are citizens and good people of La Paz.
Again, you are very cool and important for living in La Paz. |
Hmm I sense you're angry... We are not interested in being cool and important we are interested in stopping the cops from robbing people. I
hope you are too.
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David K
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gnukid, is there anything else you can post about in La Paz or Baja Sur? Is there any fishing, mission ruins, nice beaches, hiking trails, off road
adventures, ANYTHING ELSE??? 
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islandmusicteach
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board rules
From the rules: "You agree not to post or transmit any ... harmful, threatening, abusive, harassing, defamatory...hateful... material of any kind"
In my opinion, this is harassing, defamatory, harmful, and distasteful. Gnukid, I don't know you, but you've shown quite a bit more class in the face
of this siege of smugness and personal attack than I would have.
And to the moderators of this board - do threads like this, sustained over the course of a week, encourage people to speak freely and share
information?
- Marko
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Skeet/Loreto
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Great La Paz:
Some years ago I spent a Week in La Paz awaiting Mach Schoyer to cmplete my Panga "The Patricia". It was a Grand Time, spending my Days at the Cafe at
the "La Perla" meeting all of the Mexican Businessmen and Women, the Sailboaters,sipping the Good Coffee,watching the Happy People going back and
Forth.
Later , at Night, walking the Beach, listening to the small Waves hitting the Sand, stopping at the Ice Cream Shop.
Later when the Malacon was improved, setting on the Benches at the Pier, meeting and talking to Americanos and Mexicanos, as the "Night Girls" walked
by, the Excerisers beating the Pavement, getting into Shape.
Oh! La Paz!! A Beautifull City!!
Skeet/Loreto
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gnukid
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There is a more important message here David, that is what do we about the issue with rogue cops, how do we support each other and what methods do we
use to pursue them.
We talked about it, use cameras, take names, locations, be polite but pursue it.
We need to be open minded, listen to others, think about what other's experiences are and question ourselves and how we interelate to these issues.
Is the code of silence a part of the problem? Is peer pressure not to report part of the problem? Is fear driving a continuation of rogue cops
extorting people.
What can be done?
What can we do in these types of circumstances... rarely do people take time to remember locations, names, reason with higher ups to the degree that
its obvious who is perpetrating small and large rip offs of norteamericanos and mexicanos alike.
Apparently few are willing to write down the data and work within police ranks to stop corruption.
The issue is integral to the changing nature of Baja.
Everyone is a powerful person, everyone can make a small gesture that would affect change. Simply by asking a question you can effect huge change and
the time is now to participate, get involved. Simply by standing up even once to a rogue cop you will make difference.
It wouldn't hurt for anyone here, Skeet, Cervesin, David, to make a phone call or write a letter and ask what is happening at Lord Black, what is
happening with the cops who pick up norteamericanos and play games to extort money. Just asking a few questions and listening would help.
The answers are less important than the gesture that people care, they are aware and if you rob people in Baja a bunch of people will ask questions
and pursue it.
And yes we can all talk about adventure too.
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This thread needs to be taken out behind the barn and shot.
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