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Baja Vista verses Baja XP
Read and weep Visters.
http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=1332&page=2
Strive For The Ideal, But Deal With What\'s Real.
Every day is a new day, better than the day before.(from some song)
Lord, Keep your arm around my shoulder and your hand over my mouth.
“The sincere pursuit of truth requires you to entertain the possibility that everything you believe to be true may in fact be false”
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El Caballo Muerto
I found out awhile back that it is pointless to bring this subject up.
Although there are numerous tech articles in various publications aimed at the consumer market with 25 years of experience to draw on, including PC
Magazine and PC World, nothing said will convince others who consider themselves more educated on the subject.
Even the fact that PC World found as a result of Whetstone and Dhrystone Benchmark tests that Vista (even with sufficient RAM) was notably slower on
single apps, although quicker on multi-threading, was shrugged off by other users as invalid.
Good Luck, though. People will believe whatever they want to.
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Has anyone ever known a windows product that was not doubted, trivialized, or Appleized....I thought not.
In this case I would hope Vista falls on it's bloated face....("bloated" now where have I heard that word before:lol ...XP is the last OS I will learnalso said that 3.0...3.1...6.22...well you get the picture
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Al G,
I have Vista and have been loving it. Perhaps the problems are with persons who try to use it with not enough dual core RAM.
And, support from Microsoft for the XP platform (which I used with great satisfaction) is dwindling.
Perhaps, many people would feel more comfortable not having to learn a new Operating System, but believe me it is worth it.
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Limited Vistas
A recurrent theme among skeptics which I agree with is that, although they don't Hate Vista, they see no reason to upgrade from XP. IF XP is doing
well all of the things you do, then it makes no sense to change. For me, that's true. None of the tasks I need or use a computer for are suffering
from any problems in XP. For that matter, MOST of those tasks were done well in 98SE. The best change in XP over 98SE was the improved ability to
recognize and load device drivers.
If you ask advice on the desirability of Vista over XP, Immediately reject those who can only reference the "Cool Aero Look".
http://vistasucks.wordpress.com/2007/07/31/acer-hates-window...
http://aabs.wordpress.com/2007/04/18/why-i-hate-windows-vist...
http://www.ihatethis.org/2007/04/16/5-things-i-hate-about-wi...
http://www.pacificviews.org/weblog/archives/002884.html
Mainstream Tech Support for XP will continue for at least another year into early 09 per Microsoft. After that, extended support will continue for
Security Updates until early 2014. Any computer in use now will be pretty obsolete in five years.
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When Windows 2000 came out, they all said it sucked, use Windows 98!
When Windows XP came out, they all said it sucked, stick with 2000!
Windows Vista is out, they say it sucks and stick with XP!??
I am seeing a trend here!
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Except
That the sales figures show a substantially higher percentage resistance to Vista than any previous version resulting in the FIRST EVER concession by
Microsoft to continue offering the XP system AND reversing course on Service Pack update and continuing support.
Those are FACTS which cannot be denied.
BTW, the critics were well-founded when it came to 2000 which I became more familiar with (Professional and Server) than any system since 3x having
taken and passed the Microsoft Certified Professional course on both versions. The most irritating problem with 2000 was the VERY poor certification
for Legacy drivers. In that respect, XP was much better. I've used peripherals in XP that wouldn't work with 2000. I actually bought a copy of 2000
Professional at the school discount rate (half-price $75) and never used it after loading the trial version, staying with 98SE until moving on (except
for one current Laptop) to XP. I have to admit to not having to work through XP's early trials for that reason. By the time I switched, SP2 had
already been issued.
Windows 7's accelerated development schedule (due to Vista questions) may bring it to market by early 2010 or sooner. However, Microsoft has never
met a target date yet so we'll see.
To each their own. Vista will get better, but may be orphaned by Win7. Time will tell.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MrBillM
Vista will get better, but may be orphaned by Win7. Time will tell. |
EVERY operating system will be orphaned by the next one in line. And there will always be a next OS because that's how marketing works. You always
need new product to generate new money.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by CaboRon
Perhaps the problems are with persons who try to use it with not enough dual core RAM.
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What is that? 
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Roberto
| Quote: | Originally posted by CaboRon
Perhaps the problems are with persons who try to use it with not enough dual core RAM.
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I was wondering myself...I have a dual core processor, but not ram. It sounds logical maybe so I swallowed hard
Albert G
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RAMming
Dual Core Processors.
DDR RAM.
But we know that. It's easy to get the Acronyms cobbled.
And, I was using the word "Orphan" thinking of what happened with ME rather than the natural progression.
Windows ME 09/04/00 -10/25/01 RIP
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Called the "Mistake Edition" in the PC World article 'Top 25 Worst Tech Products'.[9] He declared Windows Me the fourth-"Worst Tech Product of All
Time" (after AOL, RealPlayer, and Syncronys SoftRAM) because of various technical issues and bugs.[9] "Shortly after Me appeared in late 2000," the
article states, "users reported problems installing it, getting it to run, getting it to work with other hardware or software, and getting it to stop
running." It was also criticized for its instability and unreliability, due to frequent freezes and crashes.[citation needed] It has a larger number
of bugs than its predecessor, Windows 98 SE.[citation needed] The System Restore feature in Windows Me is notorious for archiving computer viruses
that cannot be removed by an anti-virus program.[10] The only way to delete the virus is to disable System Restore, which will result in losing all
saved restore points, or simply wait until Windows deletes the restore points to make room for new restore points.
[Edited on 2-19-2008 by MrBillM]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Roberto
| Quote: | Originally posted by CaboRon
Perhaps the problems are with persons who try to use it with not enough dual core RAM.
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What is that? |
Dual core RAM is two processors in the same chip. The job is broken into two streams (simplistic explanation) that are processed simultaniously.
The next operating systems will use the Quad Processors that have been coming out of R& .
As an example the Cray (was the worlds fastest main frame) processor uses 32 or 64 processors crunching the same job at the same time.
Great for any kind of batch work and especially for crunching big math problems such as you would encounter in astrophysics for example.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Al G
| Quote: | Originally posted by Roberto
| Quote: | Originally posted by CaboRon
Perhaps the problems are with persons who try to use it with not enough dual core RAM.
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I was wondering myself...I have a dual core processor, but not ram. It sounds logical maybe so I swallowed hard |
Yes Al, you do have RAM (Random Access Memory as opposed to Virtual Memory which is in your outboard devices such as your hard drive.)
When they refer to one gig or two gig, etc. it is a reference to RAM.
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Time to Stop Digging
The hole is already too deep.
Dual-Core Processors, Quad-core Processors, whatever are not to be confused with RAM (Random Access Memory).
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| Quote: | Originally posted by CaboRon
Dual core RAM is two processors in the same chip. The job is broken into two streams (simplistic explanation) that are processed simultaniously.
The next operating systems will use the Quad Processors that have been coming out of R&.
As an example the Cray (was the worlds fastest main frame) processor uses 32 or 64 processors crunching the same job at the same time.
Great for any kind of batch work and especially for crunching big math problems such as you would encounter in astrophysics for example.
CaboRon |
My dear Cabo Ron - you obviously don't have the first clue what you are talking about. You are confusing RAM with processors. What is particularly
funny is that you feel the need to explain it simplistically to those less technical than you.
I suggest you look up RAM and Dual Core in Wikipedia and report back.
As far as Quad core - this may be what you're thinking of: http://www.intel.com/technology/quad-core/index.htm. They have been available for a while and Linux, Windows, etc. use them just fine. Operating
systems don't know or care about that level of hardware implementation, for the most part. As far as the OS is concerned, there are 2/4 actual
processors there, not one with multiple cores.
[Edited on 2-19-2008 by Roberto]
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I was listening to a program on NPR a few weeks about and they were talking about "the credit crunch", how it was affecting people, how so many people
were over-extended, etc. This guy calls in and is talking about how he lives totally within his means, has no credit cards, etc. Then he goes on to
talk about the quality of goods and how thing are manufactured today to basically be thrown away. Cell phones were an example he gave. Look how the
technology has changed over the past few years in cell phones...so the one you spent a couple hundred bucks on a few years ago is almost rendered
useless in today's wireless world. And as the technology changes so quickly the quality of the project deteriorates; no one wants to put their R
& D $ into something what will so "last year" in such short time. MS comes out with a new OS every few years...just when you're starting to learn
the current one, bang! Here comes a new one. Better? Who knows? Better for MS? Yes! Better for MS stockholders...maybe?
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The people I know that like Vista the best, started by selling or giving away their old machine and all peripherals including printers and scanners.
They then purchased all new stuff. These people do not have all the legacy driver problems that happen when peripheral manufactures do not update
their drivers to the new OS.
Most corporations will not start using Vista until it reaches at least SP1.
I know of some Fast Fourier Transform routines that take 10 times longer to run under Vista. They were just moved over with out any optimizations.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by wiltonh
Most corporations will not start using Vista until it reaches at least SP1.
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http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/windowsvista/bb738089.asp...
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I know of some Fast Fourier Transform routines that take 10 times longer to run under Vista. They were just moved over with out any optimizations.
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This is interesting - there must be more info than this. How were the FFTs written (language)? Once in a tight compute loop, unless the system is
thrashing, it's hard to come up with a reason for such a difference in performance.
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I do not have a lot of detail since I was working on the hardware not the software. I believe the library routines being used needed to be updated
for Vista.
The same issue applies if you are running a dual core and the software application only knows about one core.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Roberto
| Quote: | Originally posted by CaboRon
Dual core RAM is two processors in the same chip. The job is broken into two streams (simplistic explanation) that are processed simultaniously.
The next operating systems will use the Quad Processors that have been coming out of R&.
As an example the Cray (was the worlds fastest main frame) processor uses 32 or 64 processors crunching the same job at the same time.
Great for any kind of batch work and especially for crunching big math problems such as you would encounter in astrophysics for example.
CaboRon |
My dear Cabo Ron - you obviously don't have the first clue what you are talking about. You are confusing RAM with processors. What is particularly
funny is that you feel the need to explain it simplistically to those less technical than you.
I suggest you look up RAM and Dual Core in Wikipedia and report back.
As far as Quad core - this may be what you're thinking of: http://www.intel.com/technology/quad-core/index.htm. They have been available for a while and Linux, Windows, etc. use them just fine. Operating
systems don't know or care about that level of hardware implementation, for the most part. As far as the OS is concerned, there are 2/4 actual
processors there, not one with multiple cores.
[Edited on 2-19-2008 by Roberto] |
Before you get on your high horse.... I do know what I am talking about.... RAM is the type of memory that is in your central processor.... is that
so tough to understand. And virtual memory is the type that is in your hard drive.
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