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tripledigitken
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Have you ever been to a Bullfight?
[Edited on 3-12-2008 by tripledigitken]
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jorgie
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In Spain and I get it.......don't really need it, not at all.
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DENNIS
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Many years back, we would go to the Sunday fights in Tijuana. It was more the party than the cultural enrichment of blood-lust that brought us
there. It was a coming-of-age ritual. Not the bull fight, the party in Mexico.
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bajamigo
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Went to one in Puerta Vallarta several years ago. Regrettably, the carnicero did a truly crappy job dispatching the bull. Haven't been to one since.
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DianaT
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Went to one in Tijuana when I was 5 years old and HATED it. Still remember when one bull did not want to fight and they just kept stabbing it----
Not a good experience for a small child, IMHO.
Then attended one near Hanford California, but it was done in Portugese style--lots of people from the Azores in that area. They don't kill the bull
and I like that better. 
Diane
OK, I am a hypocrite---I eat beef.
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Pompano
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In Portugal, the bulls are indeed taken from the arena, out of view from the public, and killed later in a slaughterhouse. They do this to prevent
the bulls from 'learning' and because of public opinion, of course.
p.s. plus this was an edic issued by Pope Pius V..that the bull must die. There is an exception to that rule: When a bull has shown incredible
bravery in the ring, it's life can be spared and it will spend the rest of its life at pasture as a seed bull. That is the only exception. Not even if
the bull kills a matador.
[Edited on 3-12-2008 by Pompano]
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Fred
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Spain was so much better than TJ
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DanO
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Yes, in Madrid. Quite a spectacle. Saw one of the top matadors in the country get gored in the, ah, groin area. Not for the faint of heart.
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Sunman
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Madrid, Plaza del Toros. Heavy thing to watch, but enjoyed it on a cultural level as a one time life experience. It sure was one big fiesta in that
ring.
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Bulltail stew
When I was a very young man, I lived for a while in an Acapulco furnished room...the address was 74 Plaza de Toros. It was directly across from the
bullfight arena and La Corrida was a normal event in our lives.
Sometimes the bull lost it's tail (and ears) to the matador.
These were not great items to carry around for a long time and so some ideas naturally came to mind. Hence this recipe:
Rabo de Toro Bulltail stew.
Ingredients
1. 1 large bull's tail, cut in about 2 inch thick pieces
2. 2 large onions, chopped finely
3. 2 large tomatoes, diced
4. a cup of fresh peas
5. 2-3 carrots, diced
6. brandy (or if you prefer, 2 cups red wine)
7. 2 garlic teeth (crushed inside skin)
8. salt
9. pepper
10. 2 laurel leaves
11. virgin olive oil
12. 1 teaspoon paprika
13. two to three tablespoons chopped parsley
14. potato (optional)
Bring a large container of water to boil, add the meat and let boil to soften. I let this boil at least one hour.
After boiling for at least an hour, remove the meat. Cut off the fatty skin that's still attached. Make vertical incisions in the meat between the
cartilage, but being careful so that you don't remove the meat from the bone. You just want to "soften it a bit."
With the leftover "water" skim off the fat on the surface, and reduce this now to form a thick beef stock.
Heat another container (again earthenware is best) with virgin olive oil, not much just enough to cover the bottom. Add the onion, and when
transparent, add the meat and sear on all sides.
Once the meat has been seared, add beef stock and water to just barely cover the meet, add in the vegetables (tomato, carrots, peas and potato if you
want) and paprika.
Add salt and black pepper to taste, and two leafs of laurel.
Let cook, on medium height, at least another 1 hour.
When the sauce has been reduced, add a healthy cup of brandy, and let it cook for another 15 to 20 minutes - and add the parsley. How can you
tell it's done? The meat is literally hanging from the bone.
Serve in shallow bowls, with sauce included.
(You may substitute road-kill tails if Baja Road circumstances offer.)
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DENNIS
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I don't know, Roger. I can't escape the thought of exactly where on the bull that tail has been and what it's seen.
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I can understand both points of view. I don't bother going to just any corrida and I would hate to see a really poor performance by a "carnicero".
But I am a fan of Julian Lopez Escobar, "El Juli", who stuck his first (young) bull at the age of 10. "El Joven Maestro" is now 25 and has fought
2,167 bulls in 1,010 corridas, killing 2,143 of them (I'm not sure all 24 of the others were "indultos", but I think most were). He has been awarded
1,591 ears, 59 tails and been carried out of the ring on the shoulders of adoring fans 538 times. I'm looking forward to the next time he comes back
to Calafia in Mexicali.
All my childhood I wanted to be older. Now I\'m older and this chitn sucks.
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Sharksbaja
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No I haven't. Don't really care to. I can remember the popular border vendor items from the 60s. Black velvet matadors and bulls. Ceramic figures
flocked in black. Switchblades with a golden toro embedded in resin. I really liked that motif but in reality I have reservations about the cruelness
associated with the sport. Same goes for animal fights. A lot of people would like to see humans rip each other apart. Go figure.
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The Sculpin
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The one that sticks in my mind the most was in TJ on a hot summer day. We were on the north side with the sun beating down on the ring and us. Very
hot. The fight was good, but the end lasted too long in the heat. At first, you could smell the wood, dust and the sweat of the bull. As the fight
progressed and the bull was waekened, the smell slowly became more pungent and visceral, untill all yopu could smell was the blood of the bull, mixed
with the hot dirt. After awhile, you could simply shut your eyes and imagine that you had just happened upon a closely fought battle. It simply
smelled like war.
Haven't been to one since.
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Russ
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What Dennis said. Me too
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Martyman
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Seville, Spain. What I enjoyed was how all the men fired up Cigars (someone handed me one) at the start of the event And then the bullfight band was
playing. The actual bullfight...so so. I haven't gone to another, haven't really wanted to.
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Baja Bernie
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My Lady and the Bull
Ah! Yes, so many years ago! The wife insisted that she wished to see a Bull Fight. After months of haranguing I threw my hat in the ring and agreed
to take my Lady to the fights at Playa de Tijuana. I hate the bull fights because he never has a chance.
We crossed the border on foot and headed to the first Taxi stand because it was very hot. I worried about getting in a wreak as we headed toward the
bull ring—that problem should have never entered my mine—we were packed in like anchovies and nothing could have harmed us what with all of the
padding surrounding us.
Yes, you guessed we sat in the sunny seats—not because I was cheap, but because I wished my lady to roast because of her misplaced interest in this
foul sport—hell! No sport—just a simple execution of one Grand Bull by many mere mortals.
After the first ‘fight’ my Love asked to be taken home because the slaughter was not her ideal of what a bull fight was to be about. I declined
because I wished to impress upon my Love just how lacking in civilized custom these nasty fights really were.
After a few more ‘fights’ where the Bull leaked both air and blood—no thanks to the guy with the tight pants—we were suddenly in the shade! What a
relief!
If you believe that then you do not know my Life—No! here was where she understood and began to cheer for the Bull.
As a matador suddenly was flung over the head of alert bull—my Lady—cheered the Bull! Suddenly, we received so many cushions and other projectiles
that the sun was blotted out.
My Bride quickly realized that her behavior was becoming threatening to our well being and again asked to leave.
No, my Woman you will see this through so I do not have to drag you down here again!
Okay! The next, whatever you call it, ended up with the Bull making the right move and the silly guy making the wrong step—yet he was gored and my
Woman roared.
We did make it out to the cabs and back to the border. No! She is a quick learner and never asked to return to the Bull ‘fights’
Hemmingway was dead wrong!
My smidgen of a claim to fame is that I have had so many really good friends. By Bernie Swaim December 2007
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I've been to one. The "greatest bullfighter in the world" Pablo Mendoza de la Hermosa just happened to be visiting Campeche while I was there several
years ago, so I went after being invited by some Canadian tourists.
We got the "cheap" seats for $550 pesos each. We sat in the last row; but, the area only held 3000 people so we were only 20 or so rows back.
It was grotesque; yet, beautiful all at the same time. I felt bad for the bulls; but, realized that their death occurred in a ceremony meant to honor
and display both the bulls and the bullfighters strength (more than most animals get) I saw 9 bulls die that day and will never forget it. I'm not
sure which death I'd pick if I were a bull- Death by a bullfighter and his cohorts, where at least you have an outside chance of taking one of them
with you, or a lonely, quick, and unceremonious death in a dark slaughterhouse.
The bullfight I saw was amazing and I've never seen anyone ride a horse like Sr. Mendoza. I'm not itching to go to another; but, I would if the
circumstances were right.
You tube video of Pablo Medoza
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DENNIS
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It's not the chicken and it's not the bull that have their life taken as a form of entertainment that bothers me so much as the human condition that
finds enjoyment in it. It is noted that children who torture animals have a strong possibility of going into adulthood with dangerous, psychopathic
characteristics. This can be applied to groups, cultures, as well. How can anybody argue that to cause suffering and death to animals is healthy?
What statement is being made by man who enjoys this other than, "I am more powerful than this animal" ?
Having said all this without refering to animal rights took strong restraint. I'll save it for later.
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Yes, in Portugal. Not something I would want to do again. Reading about it is better than the real thing. Actualy, it is a sad spectacle, totally
unballanced and with a known outcome.
The grass is always greener....
and so, there is always a better spot in Baja
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