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smlslikfish
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TIP JUAN !!!!
I can't believe how cheap you Baja people can be. ALWAYS tip your boat crew/ captain if they do a good job. Do the math and you'll see that it's a
VERY tough business and nobody's getting rich off what thier charging you. SHEESH!!!!!
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Lauriboats
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We always tip for good service, I have never found Baja people to be cheap. You must be hanging with the wrong crowd.
What we see depends mainly on what we look for.
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DENNIS
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Sure. Why not? Folks in Baja are expected to tip an employee of a supermarket for putting your milk in a bag so, why not tip a skipper who has the
skills to put you on a mess of fish?
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smlslikfish
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If the shoe fits
If this doesn't apply to you, then it shouldn't offend. If it does then think about it
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BMG
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| Quote: | Originally posted by smlslikfish
If this doesn't apply to you, then it shouldn't offend. If it does then think about it |
"I can't believe how cheap you Baja people can be."
Your opening statement puts those ill fitting shoes on everyone in Baja. Why shouldn't we be offended by that statement?
I think the world is run by C- students.
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tripledigitken
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| Quote: | Originally posted by smlslikfish
I can't believe how cheap you Baja people can be. ALWAYS tip your boat crew/ captain if they do a good job. Do the math and you'll see that it's a
VERY tough business and nobody's getting rich off what thier charging you. SHEESH!!!!! |
Maybe you should switch to decaf. How do you have any idea what others tip for services rendered?
Having said that I agree that a skipper should be tipped for his service and I do.
Ken
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shari
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It never ceases to amaze me how Juan puts clients on the fish and everyone raves about how great a guide he is...but very few clients have tipped
him...so weird!!!!!! I certainly can't figure it out...is it because he makes friends with them...buddy buddy and they just forget it's his
business???maybe drink too many tecates??? enlighten me oh great fishers!
[Edited on 3-24-2008 by shari]
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bajamigo
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It's always a bit of a mystery about when and how much to tip, especially in a foreign country. Personally, I am not offended when someone offering a
service tells me up front that he earns his living from the fees he collects AND the gratuities he hopes to receive if the customer is pleased. The
blanket statement that Baja people are cheap is a ridiculous one; just read some past posts about what Nomads have done for the people and animals of
this country. I believe that failure to tip may be more about not knowing the local custom than about cheapness.
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shari
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a mexican would NEVER EVER fish for tips...many of our guests are fantastic and bring us lots of goodies and are very generous...and you may be right
about it just doesn't occur to them to tip...which I don't understand because if they go out in Cabo...they tip BIG and spend alot on the trip...it is
interesting...seems the cheaper the rate, the smaller the tip???? maybe we should raise our rates!!!
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Osprey
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Down this way charter fishermen live on their tips. They spend the whole day trying to do the best for their guests not knowing what will come their
way at the end of the day so a very long time ago I began to give them the whole tip when the first fish came aboard -- no more wondering, smiles all
around and a better trip for all of us. Just MHO.
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BMG
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| Quote: | Originally posted by shari
a mexican would NEVER EVER fish for tips...many of our guests are fantastic and bring us lots of goodies and are very generous...and you may be right
about it just doesn't occur to them to tip...which I don't understand because if they go out in Cabo...they tip BIG and spend alot on the trip...it is
interesting...seems the cheaper the rate, the smaller the tip???? maybe we should raise our rates!!! |
Shari - how much is a small tip? Average tip? Big tip?
As for tips based on the rates, isn't that usually the case? In a restaurant, it's a percentage of the bill. Would it be different for a service like
Juan is offering?
I don't want to be accused of being cheap like everyone else in Baja.
I think the world is run by C- students.
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Gadget
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Osprey
Down this way charter fishermen live on their tips. They spend the whole day trying to do the best for their guests not knowing what will come their
way at the end of the day so a very long time ago I began to give them the whole tip when the first fish came aboard -- no more wondering, smiles all
around and a better trip for all of us. Just MHO. |
Yep, that's how I always thought it should be done. Show the guy your cards first and then let him show you what its worth to him. It ends all that
speculation that can be a distraction.
Heck, not looking for any back pats here, but we left a gift for Juan on our last trip and I didn't even get to hook up with him to fish! Shari did
put us on the surf though and radioed some old friends who stopped by camp for a visit, so it was all good on our end for sure!
"Mankind will not be judged by their faults, but by the direction of their lives." Leo Giovinetti
See you in Baja
http://www.LocosMocos.com
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shari
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Hose...to begin with, Juan has the cheapest prices around and has been asked to raise his rates to what others are charging. It isn't that he expects
tips at all...HE doesn't...but I on the other hand am just trying to get a grip on why fishermen tip BIG on fancy charters and why people tip in the
states but not here. True Juan doesn't live on his tips but a gratuity is a way of showing you liked the service or if a guide goes above and beyond
the call of duty and shows you a real good time etc....we are new at this and trying to understand it all. By the way...thanks to all of Juan's
clients who treat him to tecate!
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sylens
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| Quote: | Originally posted by shari
a mexican would NEVER EVER fish for tips... |
we've been on many mexican tours that involved a bus and a guide, and on most of them, a sign at the front of the bus clearly stated that propinas
would be greatly appreciated if customers were pleased with the service. i don't see this as fishing for tips; i see it as a reminder. and like
bajamigo, i am always glad to be reminded.
lili
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Diver
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On small pangas I normally pay the going rate and then tip with fishing gear. Most of the time, the guide is the panga's owner. I also normally leave
most of the fish with the boat.
On larger boats, the deck hands and often the captain are not boat owners so I view the tipping a bit different.
Am I wrong ?
And don't get me wrong; a day out fishing with Juan is worth a million.
And if I ever get a WHOLE 40 lb YT I will tip Juan on the lips !!   
I wish I was there now !!
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hookemup
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Shari
Many years ago I worked as a deckhand in the Gulf of Mexico,pay was $5 per day,so tips were a big deal. We got stiffed so often by high rollers ( I
don't think they were "Baja People" but who knows, the skipper put up a sign stating what services to expect and tips were welcome for work well
done.It made a huge difference right away. You might try handing out a card with your rates and trip info ,what is incuded, like fish cleaning or
Not,etc On the bottom"Gratuity Not Included" even " Baja People"will get it.I always tip 20 to 25%
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vandenberg
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Diver
On larger boats, the deck hands and often the captain are not boat owners so I view the tipping a bit different.
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That opened my eyes years ago when fishing out of Mazatlan.
This was in the 70's and for then $140.00 for a 24 ft boat was rather steep. I found out that our skipper was paid $ 5.00 a day, from which he had to
pay the deckhand.
The boat owners are the cheapskates.
And BTW, it would be nice if the tipping system was abandoned altogether and evryone in any service industry was paid a living wage.
In Europe they have the audacity to put their 15% gratuity on your check , but then expect a 15 to 20 % percent on top of the bill left on the table.
Outrageous !!
[Edited on 3-24-2008 by vandenberg]
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Paula
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Someone else who should be tipped is your hotel housekeeper-- they generally get a low wage, and 20 or 50 pesos for them makes a big difference in
their lives.
And now back to tipping your captain...
Edit: I agree with Ed, if the wage scale were fair, nobody would have to rely on tips.
[Edited on 3-24-2008 by Paula]
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TonyC
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I tip 20% if I see someone doing there best to put me on the fish. I am not saying we have to catch fish. If I feel that the person is just punching
clock I tip 10%, and will not fish with that person again. Am I out of line, or to harsh? I also bring line to give away, and some gear. Also bring
enough drinks and food for Capt. I'm talking about fishing on a panga, or six packer.
I will try the tip on the front end and see how it works. Never tryed it, but I'm open to try.
Shari please let me know what is a fair tip, and what to tip that will convey that I know a above and beyond effort was given?
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vandenberg
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TIP JUAN
I was thinking,since Shari and Juan get all this free advertising on this forum, Nomad's trips should be free.
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