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Roberto
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Diver
On small pangas I normally pay the going rate and then tip with fishing gear. Most of the time, the guide is the panga's owner. I also normally leave
most of the fish with the boat.
On larger boats, the deck hands and often the captain are not boat owners so I view the tipping a bit different.
Am I wrong ? 
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Well, it depends. But, tips should come as CASH only. Fishing gear, fish, all that is good, but those are gifts, not substitutes for tips.
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by vandenberg
TIP JUAN
I was thinking,since Shari and Juan get all this free advertising on this forum, Nomad's trips should be free. |
Keep thinking...
Thanks to Shari coming to Nomad, many of us have gone to see her part of Baja for the first time... Just like any other Nomad posts reports do for us.
We all have the financial ability to travel to Mexico and enjoy what's there for us. Those who make a living in Mexico in the tourist business depend
on visitors to exist... It's a trade... you have a good time or see new things or catch more fish and you PAY back with cash so the people in Mexico
can continue to provide us with such things.
I do know that Shari and Juan GIVE a lot more than they get, so I hope they continue to receive more financial rewards as they really do deserve it.
Go there yourself and see what all the hoopla is about... why so many Nomads are buying places there... How Shari's participation on Nomad is
benefitting the whole town of Bahia Asuncion.
Thank you Shari and Juan!
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DENNIS
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Tipping is more a part of the economy in Baja than the states. Do the skippers of charter fishing boats in California expect tips? I'll bet not. It
will get worse in Mexico as long as owners allow and support the practice of the customer subsidising low wages and the client goes for it. I don't
think the bus drivers in Baja ask for or expect tips probably because their clientele is primarily Mexican.
So, who started all this tipping BS anyway? I think it was the big spending gringo who likes to be magnanimous. Tippers cause tipping and I don't
think the trend can be graciously reversed.
And, all of that above includes the guy putting your milk in a bag.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
We all have the financial ability to travel to Mexico and enjoy what's there for us. Those who make a living in Mexico in the tourist business depend
on visitors to exist... It's a trade... you have a good time or see new things or catch more fish and you PAY back with cash so the people in Mexico
can continue to provide us with such things.
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Are you refering to tipping or being charged what the product is worth?
Or both?
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soulpatch
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Sure
smlslikfish: Could this be a dead minnow, certainly raises an issue like one.
I'd rather have a Captain charge me up front what he/she feels he is worth for the day and call it good.
If this were to happen you would quickly see who is good and who isn't by how busy they are.
Nobody goes home disgruntled this way...... am I supposed to tip everybody?
I am willing to tip and do so freely but I don't tip at all when service sucks.
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smlslikfish
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My apologies
I'm very sorry if some of you felt unfairly targeted by my general statement that ALL baja people were/are cheap. My intent was to stir up a little
controversy and raise some awareness among charter customers as to the realities of the sportfishing/charter business. Just think about it.
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DENNIS
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One more thing, if I may....
I was an employee in the restaurant business for fifteen years in the states. I never worked for an owner who, while working behind his own bar,
would accept a tip. They worked with the principle that you do not tip an owner. He sets the prices for his product and if he needs more money, he
can raise his prices. I happen to agree with that.
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Roberto
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| Quote: | Originally posted by soulpatch
I'd rather have a Captain charge me up front what he/she feels he is worth for the day and call it good.
If this were to happen you would quickly see who is good and who isn't by how busy they are.
Nobody goes home disgruntled this way...... am I supposed to tip everybody?
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This is logical thinking, but not the way it works. The owners, operators, owner/operators, etc., factor in tips and expect to get them. Another way
to look at is that the price is the cost of the charter PLUS the tip.
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Sharksbaja
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
One more thing, if I may....
I was an employee in the restaurant business for fifteen years in the states. I never worked for an owner who, while working behind his own bar,
would accept a tip. They worked with the principle that you do not tip an owner. He sets the prices for his product and if he needs more money, he
can raise his prices. I happen to agree with that. |
Well there is a conundrum! So my wife(the waitress AND owner AND Baretender AND cashier) is supposed to give all the tips that come in to the
dishwasher and or prep-cook?
I guess they will be retiring very soon. If you think that owning a restaurant
is lucrative for mom & pop places,check again. If not for tips many people would cave, owners included. When it's just me and the wife working do
you think I should announce that we are owners and to not tip?
Ay Caramba! If folks don't tip regardless of whos working I get VERY concerned.
But I do agree with that philosophy and if we use a waitress she/he receives everything they receive. Otherwise we use a tip sharing formula. That
makes our crew one of the best paid menial labor jobs around.
David, you failed recognize the income benefit of owning a B&B and being a Nomad, having Nomads promote your place is ma big advantage .... am I
right Baja Cactus, right Bob, Bruce........
No offense meant just the plain truth.
Free advertising aqui. Who needs a banner ad when so many folks are directed to your place of biz.
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TIPS= "To Insure Proper Service"
DON\'T SQUINT! Give yer eyes a break!
Try holding down [control] key and toggle the [+ and -] keys
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gibson
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the original post wasn't a 'trawl' specifically for the biz at Asuncion was it???
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Debra
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Thanks for this thread, ........
First, I HATE the system of tipping by percentage! What does it have to do with how much I spend? I tip by service, which is most often more than
%'s if I get friendly service......doesn't matter if my food takes some time because my server is swamped and alone........(that is managements
fault)
Tipping while fishing is a bit more complacated for me (I don't often rent a boat, once in 30yrs.) Last year in Costa Rica we did tip the deck hand
quite well, but, not the owner (did we screw up?) We had already paid him $300 for the afternoon. It was a small boat, just the owner deckhand my
friend and myself.
I also hate it the the "T.I.P" is added to the bill...(when that happens that is just what is given) Does anyone know just where that money ends up?
I'm really interested to hear everyones thoughts, Thanks
Mean people suck!
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gibson
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Sharksbaja
Remember:
TIPS= "To Insure Proper Service" |
so you must tip at the beginning of all transactions. interesting.
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Sharksbaja
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I think people who are big tippers are remembered and well received, hence the "insure" part. If someone stiffed you though, you would remember them
as well. That is of course, unless you are the owners.
Also since legislation required tip reporting back in the 90s it has been up to the employee (if less than 6 total) to report it. Consequently, while
most sales these days are on credit cards, company earnings(tips) are reflected as income for the owner. In other words, we get taxed on YOUR tips.
The system has changed. Big bro also wants his share.
DON\'T SQUINT! Give yer eyes a break!
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gibson
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Sharksbaja
I think people who are big tippers are remembered and well received, hence the "insure" part. If someone stiffed you though, you would remember them
as well. That is of course, unless you are the owners.
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you're referring to frequent visitations ie restaurants etc. ok got it.
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Osprey
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Gibson, I understand most of your mean-spirited posts. Since you brought it up though this thing with charters is a very different animal. If you step
off a cruise ship, recieve a small service in a foreign port, knowing you'll never return you are not tipping to be remembered. If you fish 4 or 5
times a year at a Baja fishing resort, usually try to get the same favorite boat/captain because you like them, you know them, they worked well for
you, you may have to pay someone to get your favorite and you'll tip them generously too -- the same for lots of personal services received by those
who travel, golf, use the same hotels, restaurants, etc. That's what tourism is all about -- the biggest tippers (by some poll) are people from Las
Vegas (where I'm from) (I'm probably not one of em) and Hawaii where all the folks know everyone who meets and greets you lives or dies on tips.
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Debra
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Sharks, you bring up a good point.......
And it is soooooo wrong! Uncle Sam should keep out the pockets of service providers tips! I remember when that first happened and I think the
tipping public was almost as POed as the service providers.
Mean people suck!
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Iflyfish
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There are for me a number of issues involved in this. I am the sort that has purchased and then given things like lures etc. to fishermen in Mexico.
These things cost money and often more than I would provide as a tip. I may bee off track with this approach.
A lot of Mexico and much of the world opperate primarily on a barter system, goods and services are exchanged between folks. In remote and
agricultural areas few have money but they do have chickens, pigs and eggs, they do jobs for eachother and there is an ongoing give and take in this
way. The balance sheet is maintained, but usually in an informal way that is not openly discussed.
As an outsider it is difficult to decode what the barter system is and what is equible. When it comes to tipping I know that in a restaurant in the
States, my country of origin, that it is customary to tip between 10-15 percent for service and higher for excellent service. I know that the food
service economy is based upon assumptions of 10-15 percent and taxes are levied on receipts based upon this assumption. I have learned that it is not
necessary to tip the OWNER of a business as they should build their costs AND PROFIT into the price that they charge. If they are not building these
costs into their prices then they are simply not doing good business.
I would encourage those in business in Mexico who are doing business with folks from the USofA to be very clear what the expectations are. It may be
localy rude or pushy to clearly state your needs or wants, there may be taboos against this. However for the sake of good feelings and knowing that
your needs will be met I think it is essential to be clear up front about all expectations related to economic exchanges. I respond when I see clear
prices and a statement that prices DO NOT INCLUDE A GRATUITY. This statement clearly states the expectation that there will be a gratuity.
I had a business and stated clearly my prices. I established my prices so that I received sufficient compensation that I did not feel I was
compromizing or victimizing myself. I would hope that others do the same. It is easy to feel discounted and victimized if you are not clear of you
expectations of others. People are often reluctant to ask for what they need and then feel bad. Some people need to feel bad and always feel
victimized because that is their emotional pay off. "It's never good enough" for some folks. I don't lke this game and don't take on guilt from it.
I charged higher rates than most, was told that I should not, but prospered because of my good service and NEVER resented the economics of my
enterprise. I did provide a percentage of pro bono services because that felt good for me to do. I never felt victimized for doing that, it was a gift
to myself.
Iflyfish
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smlslikfish
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Got Ya
750 views and 37 responses in about 4 hours! Not a bad mornings work. In all honesty the people I've met in baja have been one of the foremost reasons
I go there. I love the free spiritedness and sense of adventure I find there. Laugh it off and REMEMBER to..... TIP YOUR CREW 
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Tiomiguel
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Interesting comment about not having tips in the US. I fish in Florida and up north, and last year in Cuba on charters and the sign is almost always
on the boat, including on dive boats as well, that tips are appreciated. These signs seem to encourage tipping for good service. That's the key,
good service and a good time and person. Nobody tips a surly operator.
We normally end up on charters tipping about $10 to $20. If on a big boat, like offshore fisherman were we pay like $500 for a charter we seem to
end up tipping more. Now that now seems to me wierd. Do we have that much more fun on a big boat? Anyway, I think its always good to show your
appreciation in addition to the normal rate, if they are good.
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elizabeth
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I don't fish, but I do dive, and I always tip the boat captain, and on multiple days of diving, which is mostly always, I tip daily. The boat captain
on a dive boat has a lot of responsibility, helping with gear, hauling it up to the boat when you surface, following the bubbles, knowing where the
best dive spots are...etc, etc, etc.
I am always surprised by the number of people who don't tip. Sometimes, I'm a little less discreet in handing the tip than I like to be, to kind of
give a hint! I also tip the guide/divemaster...but, not the owner of the dive shop!
I've been told that I shouldn't tip owners of businesses, but I think that sometimes it's the right thing to do when it's a small business, and the
owners are out there working.
My tipping may have something to do with all the years that I worked as a waitress, and what they called then, a bar maid. I know what it's like to
have to live on tip money.
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