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[*] posted on 3-24-2008 at 02:59 PM


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750 views and 37 responses in about 4 hours! Not a bad mornings work.


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[*] posted on 3-24-2008 at 03:03 PM


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[*] posted on 3-24-2008 at 03:07 PM


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750 views and 37 responses in about 4 hours! Not a bad mornings work.


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smlslikfish,

I think the high number of view and posts to your thread have to do with the fondness for Shari and Juan by many here. Including some that haven't even personally met them.

By the way, your handle is.... "smells like fish", is it not?

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[*] posted on 3-24-2008 at 03:33 PM


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[*] posted on 3-24-2008 at 03:33 PM


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750 views and 37 responses in about 4 hours!


The lame response is probably due to the fact that the topic has been beat to death before. "Tipping" threads are like old worn out shoes. It's about time for an "Immigration" thread to come alive again.
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[*] posted on 3-24-2008 at 04:49 PM


Dennis, you are wrong about the charter boats not getting tips. The long range boats from San Diego have taken the ability to communicate the art of tipping to their clients to a whole new level. So everyone knows clearly that tips are necessary and expected unless you feel you did not receive good service.

Shari, the biggest problem and one I have discussed with San Marcos Mike over the years is that most people assume when you are the owner then you have set your prices to reflect what you think the price should be for the day. So he has developed the philosophy that I will take you fishing, I will work my ass off for you, but I am not cleaning your fish unless you tip me. I think the biggest challenge is to be able to communicate in a warm and friendly manner that tips are accepted and welcomed. I think the easiest way to do that is with a small sign or poster. Just enough of a nudge so that they end up thinking it was their idea but enough of a nudge to get the point across. Perhaps something to the effect of: We keep our prices as low as possible, if you think you got great service and were well taken care of, a small tip is greatly appreciated.
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[*] posted on 3-24-2008 at 04:54 PM


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Gibson, I understand most of your mean-spirited posts. Since you brought it up though this thing with charters is a very different animal. If you step off a cruise ship, recieve a small service in a foreign port, knowing you'll never return you are not tipping to be remembered. If you fish 4 or 5 times a year at a Baja fishing resort, usually try to get the same favorite boat/captain because you like them, you know them, they worked well for you, you may have to pay someone to get your favorite and you'll tip them generously too -- the same for lots of personal services received by those who travel, golf, use the same hotels, restaurants, etc. That's what tourism is all about -- the biggest tippers (by some poll) are people from Las Vegas (where I'm from) (I'm probably not one of em) and Hawaii where all the folks know everyone who meets and greets you lives or dies on tips.


yea I got this one wrong. I was reading 'Tips Ensure... not Tips Insure... . my bad
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[*] posted on 3-24-2008 at 05:09 PM


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Dennis, you are wrong about the charter boats not getting tips. The long range boats from San Diego have taken the ability


Just positing an opinion formed from a time in my life when sport boats were evidently operated differently. Deck hands always received tips but, to my knowledge, the skipper wasn't in the gratuity loop. He was simply well payed.
I've not had any experience with long range boats.
I'm not surprised that the custom is taking hold in the U.S. economy where competition drives the market. Operators can offer a lower advertised price for their services and keep payroll down if the client can be relied upon, or pressured to pick up the slack with gratuities.
In Mexico, the operators, the owners, don't normally compete by dropping their prices but, pay low wages and support gratuities. An added financial burden to all but the owner.
Where is it all going? Will the consumer be the sole support of the working man relieving the employer of the responsibility?
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[*] posted on 3-24-2008 at 05:33 PM


Jeeez. 49 replies and way beyond the original point. SOMEBODY :rolleyes: obviously thinks Juan is not getting tipped enough. Frankly, I find that easy to believe, given my experience of people going fishing. There is no need to discuss this or conduct a symposium on the meaning of tips and the state of the general economy. :lol::lol::lol::lol:

Tip the man, or don't. Just be aware that SOMEBODY thinks you should dig deeper.

What's that about the devil and idle hands? GET A LIFE.
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[*] posted on 3-24-2008 at 05:36 PM


So how far do we take this tipping. When I go to the bank in the states and deposit money do I tip the teller. When I buy gas at a self service do I tip the cashier. When I go to home depot do I tip the cashier. Where does it stop.
Yes I do tip where I recieve special care no out of nessicity.




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[*] posted on 3-24-2008 at 05:37 PM


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Jeeez. 49 replies and way beyond the original point. SOMEBODY :rolleyes: obviously thinks Juan is not getting tipped enough. Frankly, I find that easy to believe, given my experience of people going fishing. There is no need to discuss this or conduct a symposium on the meaning of tips and the state of the general economy. :lol::lol::lol::lol:

Tip the man, or don't. Just be aware that SOMEBODY thinks you should dig deeper.

What's that about the devil and idle hands? GET A LIFE.


point taken. back to original post... I think coming on a public forum and whinging about not getting enuf tips is really lame! There's way better approaches.
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[*] posted on 3-24-2008 at 05:57 PM


whoa nelllllly...just to set the record straight, we do not know smelly fish, not is it minnow man....now...one cannot compare baja to america in this issue...Iflyfish got it right about the barter system here...it's just NOT about money...when you do something nice for someone, they somehow return the favor however they can...but they DO show their appreciation for a good turn...IMHO...tipping is not a percentage, or even neccessary thing...it is a very personal thing...those of you who know us know that we generally go well above and beyond the call of duty...renting a room...or fishing charters...but seeing as we have been busier lately, it is a bit disconcerning when you constantly "put out" a lot and your efforts go unappreciated. For example, there is an internet cafe in town but most people use ours but fail to "cooperate"...here in mexico, it's all about cooperation and respect...we all cooperate to help each other and it's a spirit more than a surcharge or percentage...it's personal...if you come to my house and drink a bottle of scotch, well...it's a nice gesture to replace the bottle...we are mexican living on a mexican income and believe it or not, it is not easy for us to ply our guests with drinks, food, drive them around etc.....on a daily basis...we have had many very cool clients who "get" the picture and "cooperate" which really helps us out alot...sure we don't HAVE to offer you drinks and drive you around to get you the best exchange rate on your dollar and show you lots etc...and secret spots...but our guests are really happy when we do....but it sort of spoils it for everyone when people abuse our hospitality...want a free ride...hey if we were rich...no sweat man...c-cktails on us...but we are struggling to start a little business here and have no bank loans, capital etc...like in gringolandia...so cut us some slack here and try to understand our unique spirit here. weedy weedy weedy...sorry for the tirade...so ummm...tipping should NOT be included in the price as it sliding scale, depends on service, personalities, extra goodies...I tell ya, when we get treated right...we definately give those clients top priority when they come back and spoil them even MORE!!!!!



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oh yeah, and another thing...gibson...you are WAY off base...don't bother dropping in amigo.



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[*] posted on 3-24-2008 at 06:13 PM


sniff ... sniff sniff ... sniff wow definitely something fishy!
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[*] posted on 3-24-2008 at 06:19 PM


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..so cut us some slack here and try to understand our unique spirit here.


Point well taken, Shari. I only speak from an idealistic point of view. I just don't think a person should give his best only after being tipped. He should give his best always.
None of my thoughts were directed at you and Juan personally.
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[*] posted on 3-24-2008 at 06:54 PM


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750 views and 37 responses in about 4 hours! Not a bad mornings work.


:rolleyes:


Interesting statistic. Right up there with a little over 20 posts in nearly five years. Maybe smls' server was down.




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[*] posted on 3-24-2008 at 07:06 PM


Wow! This is why I love this forum. Often a thread grows long, lots of views about a subject -- some say "get a life", "stop beating a dead horse" because their view is all they care about. Sometimes, like now, people with interesting life experiences touching on the subject can bring new life to the thread, we all learn more and from very different perspectives -- prespectives derived from extensive travel, occupational immersion, regional, tribal customs, cultural nuance, etc. I've learned a lot from this thread and I hope we have many more like it. Huzzah! Dudes.
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[*] posted on 3-24-2008 at 07:12 PM


Well Jorge,
you know as well as I do that if you tip your 21 dealer generously, you will get rewarded with winning hands.:biggrin::biggrin:




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[*] posted on 3-24-2008 at 07:55 PM


So what is the appropriate tip???? For one pangero is it based on his daily rate? A boat with a deckhand? 100, 200, 400 pesos?
chiite, I give the grocery bagger kid if he carries my stuff out 10 to 20 pesos and it's only about 3 meters.
What are the standards? I've had some locals give me SERIOUS chiite for overtipping at times.

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I'd rather have a Captain charge me up front what he/she feels he is worth for the day and call it good.
If this were to happen you would quickly see who is good and who isn't by how busy they are.
Nobody goes home disgruntled this way...... am I supposed to tip everybody?


This is logical thinking, but not the way it works. The owners, operators, owner/operators, etc., factor in tips and expect to get them. Another way to look at is that the price is the cost of the charter PLUS the tip.




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[*] posted on 3-24-2008 at 08:03 PM


I got 'scolded' by a Mexican friend when I left a 'nice' tip after a great meal (which I felt was underpriced)... he said that the tip was too much.:rolleyes:



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