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The Sculpin
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I never tip.....I never expect a tip.
If someone goes out of their way for me, I tell them I appreciate it, and I will do the same for them - and I have.
I have worked as a waiter, cook, fish filleter, limo driver, car washer, accountant, CPA, and executive, and never has any tip corresponded to the
effort I provided. I expended the effort because it was the right thing to do. The best tips I ever got were from people who were impressed with me
and provided me with another or different opportunity. That was by far much better than a lousy 20% tip.
Regardless of Shari's rant, she's not doing it for the tips, or else she wouldn't be doing it at all. So don't worry about the appropriate levels, or
making it obvious to clients, or any of that other $#!t, just do the job as best you can, and do it for the love of the job - and if it doesn't work,
get another f%$#(&g job!
Whoa there, Cowboy - pull back on those reins!
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Sharksbaja
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You worked in the biz as a waiter? Then a CPA? Well that pretty much sums it up. I'm sure many places value your mantra much more than money.
"I never tip.....I never expect a tip"
"That must have been you 5 yrs ago.......
"The best tips I ever got were from people who were impressed with me and provided me with another or different opportunity."
So you are a prostitute?
Grrrrrrr............Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh!
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Sharksbaja
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| Quote: | Originally posted by soulpatch
So what is the appropriate tip???? For one pangero is it based on his daily rate? A boat with a deckhand? 100, 200, 400 pesos?
chiite, I give the grocery bagger kid if he carries my stuff out 10 to 20 pesos and it's only about 3 meters.
What are the standards? I've had some locals give me SERIOUS chiite for overtipping at times.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by soulpatch
I'd rather have a Captain charge me up front what he/she feels he is worth for the day and call it good.
If this were to happen you would quickly see who is good and who isn't by how busy they are.
Nobody goes home disgruntled this way...... am I supposed to tip everybody?
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This is logical thinking, but not the way it works. The owners, operators, owner/operators, etc., factor in tips and expect to get them. Another way
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At local restaurants? We have few customers who tip painfully high. While we wondered why we discovered later while dining with one elsewhere that
that was just his flamboyant nature. We felt it would be awkward to address his extravagance. His choice. BTW, he is extremely well off.
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it is a bit disconcerning when you constantly "put out" a lot and your efforts go unappreciated
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David K
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Sculpin, I understand your post... but, in order for restaurants to stay in business at competitive or attractive prices, they have to pay the help as
little as possible... BECAUSE tipping is the custom here and is expected. The waiters here are taxed on 15% of the bill regardless if you tip them or
not.
So, if you got bad service than a 0 tip will cost them the 15% of your food and drink bill... Hope they get the message quick!
Anyway, 15% is the new absolute minimum for waiters/ waitresses because that is what they will be paying an income tax on. Otherwise, eat at home or
fast food if that isn't something you wish to do... It's only right, don't you think?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by The Sculpin
I never tip.....I never expect a tip.
If someone goes out of their way for me, I tell them I appreciate it, and I will do the same for them - and I have.
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Definition: Sculpin fish
"......... the fish itself is somewhat unique and a little odd, but some of the tactics necessary to accurately imitate the characteristics of the
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BMG
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All these responses and still no answers to the basic question raised. How much is an appropriate tip? I'm accused of being cheap here but no one
wants to come up with a fair figure. Let's try it this way.
A friend and myself rent a panga for the day. Only the captain, no crew. The cost quoted is U$100. The captain is good and friendly. Fish are caught.
The captain cleans and fillets the fish.
What is considered:
1. A low tip.
2. A fair tip.
3. A high tip.
I think the world is run by C- students.
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I fished with Jaun. It wasn't a formal trip but he took me for a few hours after work. We were fishing like buddies but I still found a way to pay. It
was worth it. He is fun to fish with.
As soon as Yellowtail or something else gets good I'm haulin down there.
I expect to pay for my trip and will be glad to tip as well. Juan fishes hard and knows where to look for fish. He's my kind of captain.
"A ship in harbor is safe, but that is not what ships are built for." J. A. Shedd.
A clever person solves a problem. A wise person avoids it. – Albert Einstein
"Life's a Beach... and then you Fly!" Fishbuck
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BMG
A friend and myself rent a panga for the day. Only the captain, no crew. The cost quoted is U$100. The captain is good and friendly. Fish are caught.
The captain cleans and fillets the fish.
What is considered:
1. A low tip.
2. A fair tip.
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More like a life-long contract if that's all he charges.
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Sharksbaja
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BMG
All these responses and still no answers to the basic question raised. How much is an appropriate tip? I'm accused of being cheap here but no one
wants to come up with a fair figure. Let's try it this way.
A friend and myself rent a panga for the day. Only the captain, no crew. The cost quoted is U$100. The captain is good and friendly. Fish are caught.
The captain cleans and fillets the fish.
What is considered:
1. A low tip.
2. A fair tip.
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Cmon amigo, noone will answer that question. Some leave a 5% gratuity and some 25% and have no prob with it. If they tell they might get some flack.
Common sense and the obvious service factor are what it takes. When food/fishing is bad and service good? Leave your server/fisherman a tip and
gracefully mention your dislikes about the food or ?. Don't worry, the owners/cook/chef will hear all about it later. That doesn't mean the
food/fishing will get better however.
edit to include fishing, thanks Gibson yer a doll!
[Edited on 3-25-2008 by Sharksbaja]
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gibson
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Sharksbaja
Cmon amigo, noone will answer that question. Some leave a 5% gratuity and some 25% and have no prob with it. If they tell they might get some flack.
Common sense and the obvious service factor are what it takes. When food is bad and service good? Leave your server a tip and gracefully mention your
dislikes about the food. Don't worry, the cook/chef will hear all about it later. That doesn't mean the food will get better however.
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cmon amiga, get out of your restaurant rut! we're over that!
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BMG
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Sharksbaja
| Quote: | Originally posted by BMG
All these responses and still no answers to the basic question raised. How much is an appropriate tip? I'm accused of being cheap here but no one
wants to come up with a fair figure. Let's try it this way.
A friend and myself rent a panga for the day. Only the captain, no crew. The cost quoted is U$100. The captain is good and friendly. Fish are caught.
The captain cleans and fillets the fish.
What is considered:
1. A low tip.
2. A fair tip.
3. A high tip. |
Cmon amigo, noone will answer that question. Some leave a 5% gratuity and some 25% and have no prob with it. If they tell they might get some flack.
Common sense and the obvious service factor are what it takes. When food is bad and service good? Leave your server a tip and gracefully mention your
dislikes about the food. Don't worry, the cook/chef will hear all about it later. That doesn't mean the food will get better however.
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So there lies the problem. Everyone in Baja is whitewashed as being cheap, but no one will say what 'cheap' is. Just that charters in Cabo get big
tips while the little guys in pangas get screwed.
In the above example if we tip what you seem to be indicating is a large 25% tip (U$25) that would be only a 10% tip on a $250 charter. I know a lot
of references in this thread to food service but that IS based on the price of the dinner tab. No one would be expected to leave a U$20 tip on a U$20
tab, but it would be close to the norm on a U$100-U$125 tab.
Let me simplify my question even more.
A friend and myself rent a panga for the day. Only the captain, no crew. The cost quoted is U$100. The captain is good and friendly. Fish are caught.
The captain cleans and fillets the fish. How much do you think MY FRIEND AND I should tip this captain?
I think the world is run by C- students.
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Sharksbaja
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A 25% tip on $250 is $62.50. That's not bad imho.
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I fish long range out of San Diego a lot. The boats Ive fished off of the crew split the tips with the crew not the boat owner and if the captain is
not the owner he still doesnt get in on the crews tips. tips are 10% - 20% of trip cost
In Mex if I hire a panga and pangero and he does his job even if the fish dont cooperate I still tip 10%-20% of the cost if I hired a panga for $100
it probably wouldnt even cover his gas
I just fished out of San Quintin cost me $310 We caught fish but came in early because of the weather. Big swell and wind. I tipped the captain $40.
It was not his boat I tipped another guy $15 for cleaning my fish and gave more then half my fish to him and some to the captain too.
Ive known some pangeros that would be offended if you tried to offer them a tip before the trip started Its like telling them that you have to pay
them extra for them to do their job right. And that you think they wont if you dont pay them to.
They will however gladly take it at the end of the day.
I also give tackle and line as gifts on top of tips when I can afford to.
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Wow! See? this is a topic worth talking about.....so many different thoughts and understandings.. And everyone trying to learn. Good!
Mean people suck!
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TonyC
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BMG
All these responses and still no answers to the basic question raised. How much is an appropriate tip? I'm accused of being cheap here but no one
wants to come up with a fair figure. Let's try it this way.
A friend and myself rent a panga for the day. Only the captain, no crew. The cost quoted is U$100. The captain is good and friendly. Fish are caught.
The captain cleans and fillets the fish.
What is considered:
1. A low tip.
2. A fair tip.
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I'm a newbie to fishing in Baja Norte, only been fishing since 2005, San Quintin area. I don't see why no one can answer BMG's 1,2,3, question. I
want to be fair with regards to question 1,2, or 3.
I'll use real numbers,and my limited experience. To fish on a panga $300-$400 depends on who you go with (3-4 fishing).
I use 1-10%,2-15% 3-20%, 25% above and beyond, and in my experience not everyone does that (above and beyond). I have also taken my Mexican friend,
and his family to a restaurant. The bill came to $480. peso. I tipped $90 peso for what I thought pretty good service. His wife said I tipped more
than a day of wages. Where am I at on question 1,2, or 3?
Forget that "Reservoir Dog" movie....I don't believe in tipping. That's load of of cr#p. They expect a tip, and should get one. My opinion.
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So, apparently tipping is EXPECTED when a service provided is deemed to be underpaid at the prevailing rates?
Well, let's see, I guess teachers should put out a tip jar. Or how about postal workers? Maybe the Costco baggers and the cart jockies? The thrift
store workers? The guy in the window at the filling station?
Geez, the possibilities are endless..................
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A good starting point is 15-20% for a panga captain.
But it helps to have a basic understanding of his particular situation:
Example 1. On a similar, current thread on Bloodydecks.com, a La Paz outfitter states that East Cape cruisers generally are operated by a hired
captain paid 250 pesos, and a deckhand, who works for tips only. I haven't fished cruisers myself (in decades, anyway) but I'd tip more than just 15%.
Example 2. "Company pangas" I have no idea how much captains who are hired to run company pangas, such as Arturo's in Loreto, but I bet it's way below
the fare, close to what the East Cape guys get paid. I'd tip them a bit more, maybe 30% if service is good.
Example 3. Owner operated pangas. Loreto prices are, if I remember correctly, $210US hired through the co-op office. 5% goes to the office, 5% to the
co-op, 90% to the captain. Cost of their boats were probably roughly $10,000 to $18,000 depending on the availability of govt subsidies. And gas may
run $25-50 a trip. Still, that's a better deal than 250 pesos. But I still tip these guys 15-20%.
Example 4. A captain with his own boat charging $100. Wow, that's a deal that's pretty much disappeared. Enjoy it while you can, and if you tip 20%
you are getting a steal! Frankly, I can't imagine getting a deal like that and not tipping at all, and I can understand how it could result the
provocative "cheap Baja people" remark. It's outrageous, IMO.
Now, philosophically one could argue that the owner operators, as professional, self employed businessmen, should just set a fair price and forego any
gratuity. Perhaps there is some logic in that, but I believe the practice of relegating a portion of the price to a voluntary tip is part of a subtle,
yet important communication between captain and client, and is especially important in long term relationships. It personalizes the deal. And because
these deals are personal, it makes it difficult to answer the "How much do I tip" question with a dollar or percentage amount that's always
appropriate.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Hook
So, apparently tipping is EXPECTED when a service provided is deemed to be underpaid at the prevailing rates?
Well, let's see, I guess teachers should put out a tip jar. Or how about postal workers? Maybe the Costco baggers and the cart jockies? The thrift
store workers? The guy in the window at the filling station?
Geez, the possibilities are endless.................. |
Yep and throw in a fuel surcharge and you've conquered inflation!
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All of these differing perspectives from people who care tell me that there is a lot of confusion on this matter for all involved and this creates the
possibility of bad feelings on both the side of the client and on the side of the operator. Here in the US this last week Starbucks was required to
give it's barristas back over a million dollars in tips that were shared by the managers, who were deamed by the court not to be elegable for them
because they were in management positions.
I just try to do the best I can in the situation and to be as generous as feels right to me. That is all I can do in a situation like this with so
much vaguery involved. It is a real set up to play games with money when people are not clear of their expectations. Lack of clarity is a set up for
games about money.
Gratuity not included. Business people who let people know this are
ebeing clear about their needs, if they don't then they are responsible for people not fulfilling their expectations. The variety of responses and
lack of clarity are evidence of this from my perspective.
I personally use a rule of thumb that goes 10-20% based upon service unless there is some element of barter involved and I try to be as clear about
that as is possible. I also try to be as generous as I can given the difference in my circumstances vs those of others not as well offf as I am.
I tink it is up to the business owner to provide some sort of direction for this if tips are important to them.
I have a friend who owns some lodges and I worked for a while at one. There was a tip jar hidden away and it was seldom used. I put it in a
conspicuous place and low and behold money started to appear in it...dah?
Even good and generous people may not understand what is expected or required. Some are just simply opposed to tipping on principal as noted above.
Some people are just by nature cheap and look for the best bargain....period.
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somebody needs to revise their business model and/or maybe raise prices. Getting on a forum and whining about tips is not only low class but very
UNmexican (can't imagine the other culture clashes goin' on!)
good luck with all that
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