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[*] posted on 3-25-2008 at 04:04 AM


If it's your boat and you're the Captain/Owner, charge what you need to in order to make it a viable business...

If a mate is included, yes he should be tipped, but an owner/operator, NO WAY!

And I'm a very liberal tipper.

Charter Captain and Guide for many years, tips were not expected or hinted for....on the other hand, for my mate I had no problem reminding clients that they tip a waitress 15/20% for, basically a few minutes service.....A mate holds yer hand all day long! Captain George




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[*] posted on 3-25-2008 at 06:38 AM


Super Panga (Captain only) is $250 plus 10% tax where I fish on the East Cape. Cruiser (Captain and deckhand) is $385 plus 10% tax.
These boats are owned by the resort.

I tip $30 on the panga, and $40 on the cruiser. I have tried tipping up front, but in my experience it did not seem to make a difference. Most are hard working and want to put you on fish. Some are lazy or have attitudes, I still tip but do not fish with them again.

Also, bait is purchased after you leave shore from bait boats. $2.00 US for each large bait, and $10-20 for sardinas depending on the quanity you need. I give these guys a couple of $ tip.

Some smaller Pangas may only be worth $100 per day with captain. Small with tiny bench seat. And some are not maintained well.

Baja workers I have talked to make $5 to $25 per day. Those with $25 per day jobs say they are very lucky.
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[*] posted on 3-25-2008 at 07:11 AM


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Originally posted by Capt. George
If it's your boat and you're the Captain/Owner, charge what you need to in order to make it a viable business...

If a mate is included, yes he should be tipped, but an owner/operator, NO WAY!

And I'm a very liberal tipper.

Charter Captain and Guide for many years, tips were not expected or hinted for....on the other hand, for my mate I had no problem reminding clients that they tip a waitress 15/20% for, basically a few minutes service.....A mate holds yer hand all day long! Captain George


I agree captain (if it's his boat) charges what he's worth, crew gets a tip.
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I work every summer on a boat in San Diego 1 and 2 day. We get paid 90 for 24 hours. Keep in mind we dont leave the boat for 5 days. Tying hooks, changing line, pinnin dines and tossing em, yellin at everyone to move around the corner all day long, untangling every single fish that the customer tied up because they didnt keep their lines straight, gaffing 100+ 20-40lb fish, tagging them, putting them in the fish box, spraying and scrubbing the boat off after each stop, putting out the trollers 100 times, then removing every 20-40 lb fish from the fish box (it fu&^in hurts your back), Then filleting each one while some customer stands over your shoulder making sure that all the unwanted bellies of the tuna go to him, oh and number 18 wants his fillets butterflied. Number 6 wants us to make sure that he gets some too. Oy yeah i forgot throwing bait, and sitting on top of the house with specs all day looking my ass off for kelps and breaking fish.
If I dont get a tip after that, then **** you!

And for those who say i should be happy with $90 and there are mexicans that would do it for alot less. you try it! and then say that you dont expect a tip for working your culo off. The one days cost $175 and if we got $20 from each of the 25 guys we would be stoked, but truth is half tip $2-5 and the rest tip $20-50. If you dont know how to tip, dont get on the Damn boat! Oh and the captain, 2nd captain, cook, and 2 deckies all split the side money.

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[*] posted on 3-25-2008 at 08:37 AM


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We get paid 90 for 24 hours.


Regardless of the tips you may or may not receive, I'd say you're grossly underpaid. Employers like that cause unions.
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[*] posted on 3-25-2008 at 08:48 AM


Lots of interesting takes here. I suspect we all would tip differently based on where we're fishing out of: the highly developed fishing-destination areas have pretty clear pricing/tipping practices in place. If you're not sure then you simply ask the tour operator who has probably already told you in your first meeting with them.
Then you have places like San Quitin where there are panaga operators who's main source of income is taking guys fishing - but is more low-key than the Cabo marina.
But then there are the smaller towns of a few thousand folks that don't get much tourist traffic and when you ask someone to take you fishing you can see they don't have a ready price: they first look at your truck, how you're dressed, are your reels rusted 6/0s or shinny Internationals - the very thing that I would do if I were in their shoes.
The upshot is I just don't think you can come up with a rule for all of Baja. But I do think this is a subject that we should bring up from time-to-time as we get set in our ways when infact we should understand that the times are a changing and it wouldn't hurt for some of us to change too.
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[*] posted on 3-25-2008 at 08:50 AM


Well, Pasquale, if it's any consolation - you guys really make the trip with all your help and expertise.
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[*] posted on 3-25-2008 at 08:56 AM


Tip the boat crew with bananas, they love 'em!:lol:

Seriously, here's a guide to tipping in different countries:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tipping_by_region

I would only consider stiffing a wait in one situation with two conditions:
A) The service was terrible, AND B) I had no intention of ever coming back.
If the service was mediocre or worse but the food was good and I thought I might return, I would still tip 15% anyway. I'm just not that fond of Carne con Saliva Ajena.




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[*] posted on 3-25-2008 at 08:57 AM


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Example 4. A captain with his own boat charging $100. Wow, that's a deal that's pretty much disappeared. Enjoy it while you can, and if you tip 20% you are getting a steal! Frankly, I can't imagine getting a deal like that and not tipping at all, and I can understand how it could result the provocative "cheap Baja people" remark. It's outrageous, IMO.


I kind of took that as an "easy to do math on" example.




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[*] posted on 3-25-2008 at 08:59 AM


If you don't make enough money at the job you do and have to depend on tips to make a living maybe its time to get a different job!!!! I don't think it is right to put a guilt trip on your customer as to how much they should give for a tip,after all they have already agreed to pay the price you decieded you needed to take them fishing.If you have to depend on tips maybe you should raise your price to cover your over head and still have enough to put in your pocket. I drill water wells for a living and I set my prices to cover my over head and to put money in my pocket. My customer is told the priceing before I start the job and if all is agreed on then the job is done and I am paid for my services,I don't depend or expect a tip.
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[*] posted on 3-25-2008 at 09:06 AM


I will admit that the first time I went out on a panga I did not tip. I had no idea that when the guy told me $140 for a day that I needed to. I had no experience in this and it wasn't until later in the day that I was "enlightened".
This was on my bachelor trip to BoLA and my cheap future BIL had pretty much drained all my resources and I had two young kids that wanted to fish so we went out with a guy for about 5 hours and cruised the inner part of the bay for some firecracker jurel. The guy went home at 11 and I cleaned all the fish. He didn't burn much fuel at all since we ran out to Que Malo and then the back side of Horsehead. That was pretty much it.
In retrospect I would have had him clean all my fish and thrown him $40 to make it right.
The only other tipping situation I had was on a boat on a 3 day out of San Diego and the deckhands sucked. They were smoking while fish were laying on the deck and when it was cleaning time they had all the fish stacked in the sun for hours. And then they copped 'tudes when you told them you wanted your fish iced pronto. I had to literally toss half my fish. The cook was interesting, too, and ended up cuffed at the end of the tripped.
I didn't tip those guys chiite.




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[*] posted on 3-25-2008 at 09:15 AM


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Example 4. A captain with his own boat charging $100. Wow, that's a deal that's pretty much disappeared. Enjoy it while you can, and if you tip 20% you are getting a steal! Frankly, I can't imagine getting a deal like that and not tipping at all, and I can understand how it could result the provocative "cheap Baja people" remark. It's outrageous, IMO.


I kind of took that as an "easy to do math on" example.


I took the price off Shari's website. Wasn't sure if the "Juan" was her Juan or just smlslikfish calling all Mexican boat crew/ captains Juan.

I appreciate the answers on the tipping question though. I find that tipping varies quite a bit in different countries as to what is expected and/or customary. I earlier had asked questions about how much to tip the garbage collectors at Christmas or the Pemex attendants. Still not sure how much to give that bagger at the grocery store.




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[*] posted on 3-25-2008 at 09:28 AM


It's been my experience in fishing with pangueros and on cruisers in the East Cape region that they DEPEND on your tips for a living. The capitans and deckhands on the big boats are VERY underpaid and the panguero is just scratching out a living...ANY extra, whether it be dinero, food, fishing gear, etc, is appreciated. I think the accepted propina is 20%
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If you don't make enough money at the job you do and have to depend on tips to make a living maybe its time to get a different job!!!! I don't think it is right to put a guilt trip on your customer as to how much they should give for a tip,after all they have already agreed to pay the price you decieded you needed to take them fishing.If you have to depend on tips maybe you should raise your price to cover your over head and still have enough to put in your pocket. I drill water wells for a living and I set my prices to cover my over head and to put money in my pocket. My customer is told the priceing before I start the job and if all is agreed on then the job is done and I am paid for my services,I don't depend or expect a tip.


I dont really want to drill water wells and thats not really a service industry either. Do you make your customer lunch while you drill his well? Sure, i could complete the job based on my pay but i give more, so you can keep your drill job and ill stay on the ocean and fish every day in the summer. Theres no guilt trip on the customer, it is a gratuity if a good job is done. Most people who go out to eat dont expect that the gratuity is included do they? People dont invite you over to show them how to drill a well as a recreational activity, that is why you get no tip:?:
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[*] posted on 3-25-2008 at 09:44 AM


wow...4 pages of resonses....by the way Gibson...I did not start this thread...nor would have...nor am I whining about tips....just baffled...we set our prices low so it would be affordable for most people. I don't feel tips should solicited nor be a percentage but an offering of appreciation for a service well rendered...thus reflecting your pleasure with the service. If a panguero tries hard, is good at his job, is helpful and pleasant, cleans your fish etc...hey $5 for a six pack goes a long way! I find americans very price oriented...want it to be clear and fixed...well...I'm all for sliding scale...each client is different, fishing trips vary, lots of variables enter into the eqation and we like to figure that into the "prices" of service. I know it's maddening but fair.



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[*] posted on 3-25-2008 at 09:58 AM


Pascuale,

Multi day boats out of San Diego are in a different category in my opinion. I have fished the Royal Star, Royal Polaris and American Angler on 3 - 5 day trips from San Diego.

On these trips, there have been about 8-11 crew members and captains. On one trip, there were 4 licensed captains on board, all certified as such. Included was a professionally trained chef.

From what I see, each person gets about 4 hours of sleep each day, as they also take turns helping serve dinners and doing dishes.

These people are the hardest working I have ever experienced. You have explained well what a typical day is like for you as a crewmember.

It's a different fishing experience than a Baja Panga trip, and one that most would enjoy.

The long range fleet has a huge investment in each boat. Huge quantities of fuel are used.

When tipping on these long range boats I take into consideration that I have had a quality fishing experience and also had 3 gourmet meals daily.

Many people are surprised to learn on their first trip how much fish cleaning and processing can cost. This might be discussed in the websites to help the customer be better prepared. I have seen some customers not tip as they feel the fish cleaning bill should make you happy. Processing cost is a 3rd party, so that is up to the customer.

I have been very impressed with the service provided by the crew of these boats, and on all of them tipping was discussed by many passengers prior to paying. Most were leaving a tip smaller than crew members would like. After multiple days of great fishing and service I know several left $30-50 total. Ouch!

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[*] posted on 3-25-2008 at 10:23 AM


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It is a real set up to play games with money when people are not clear of their expectations. Lack of clarity is a set up for games about money.

Gratuity not included. Business people who let people know this are
ebeing clear about their needs, if they don't then they are responsible for people not fulfilling their expectations. The variety of responses and lack of clarity are evidence of this from my perspective.

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Very well said. We always appreciate clarity and really appreciate simple little signs like gratuity not included, or gratuity appreciated, it makes the expectations very clear and then we can take it from there. If expectations are not clear, it leaves people to become mindreaders.

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[*] posted on 3-25-2008 at 10:42 AM


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Very well said. We always appreciate clarity and really appreciate simple little signs like gratuity not included, or gratuity appreciated, it makes the expectations very clear and then we can take it from there. If expectations are not clear, it leaves people to become mindreaders.

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Something like:

"NO GRATUITIES UNDER 30% ACCEPTED !!!" :?::?:
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biggrin.gif posted on 3-25-2008 at 11:20 AM
Did I do that??!!!


Let me be clear, I do not know Shari/Juan, never met them. Juan just happened to be the guy I chose to illustrate a point that is near and dear to me. I spent several summers as a deckhand in So Cal on a boat that prided itself on it's service to customers. My son is currently employed on that same boat. It is the toughest job I've ever done in 30 years in the workforce. The average passenger has NO idea of the effort it takes to provide them with a quality/pleasant experience. (see Pascuale' post) Now do it with a smile on your face and a pleasant helpful attitude. Very few of us do it for any other reason than we love to fish. All the other comparisons aside, some jobs it has always been customary to tip. This is one of them. In Juan's case he's charging $ 100. Subtract the cost/ effort of procuring fuel/oil, factor in cost of boat/motor/ maintenance/ launch vehicle. He's giving all of you a goodguy price. It seems to me that the least you all could do is let him know it's appreciated. (in gringo terms that means TIP GENEROUSLY)........ GOD I LOVE THIS PLACE!!
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[*] posted on 3-25-2008 at 11:40 AM


Now that you are out-of-the-closet smellyfish, it sure doesn't seem fair to pull Juan and Shari into your little rant. They are good folks that are trying to adapt to their growing gringo clientel.
Juan is a gentleman who would never ask for a tip and enjoys fishing over money. Without his knowledge of where and when to fish, most of his clients would have got bubkas.

To Pascaul also;
I have worked as crew on party boats when I was younger and expected less $ from life. I always enjoyed being on the water and the clients were just part of the day - often a good part. Tips were good when they were good; more like an unexpected bonus. Seems like times have changed.
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