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Diver
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Tips for Panga Fishing
Just thinking a bit after the "tipping" post;
What should you expect from you pangero ?
And what should cost more - or is worth a tip ?
Guides should;
1. Be proficient boat operators that try to keep you dry.
2. Offer suggestions on lures or tackle for the location.
3. Offer suitable rods/reels for rental.
4. Help tie-on lures and leaders if help is needed.
5. Clean your fish for a tip or fee ??
6. Do their best to put you on the fish.
7. Get a tip for a GREAT fishing day.
8. Treat clients with respect.
9. Offer lures at replacement cost if they are lost.
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Clients should;
1. Bring their own gear when possible or if you're picky.
2. Don't act like you know it all.
3. Treat your guide with respect.
4. Clean up your trash or messes.
5. Keep your gear tidy - don't take over the boat.
6. Ask if you don't know - or follow your guide's lead.
7. Bring your own bevs and snacks.
8. Thank your guide for his help or advice.
9. Help with launching and landing.
10.Bring/wear suitable clothes to be comfy.
11.Tip for fish cleaning ? Unless you leave most of the fish ?
12. Replace lost lures or pay the local cost asap. (not 3 months later when the fishing is now !)
Feel free to add to or offer a differing opinion for any of my suggestions.
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[Edited on 3-26-2008 by Diver]
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Diver
11.Tip for fish cleaning ? |
Ivan Villarino, who runs the three boat fleet in Punta Banda, figuered this one out a long time ago. The customer pays for each fish cleaned.
Now, how simple is that?
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Diver, I can tell you what pangeros don't want:
1. Guys with handheld GPS who say "Pally, take me to 110, 44, 21 and 23, 43, 54 will ya. Did real good there 4 years ago."
2. Guys who wear Sosin Big Bill hats
3. Guys with trolling rigs AND flyrods
4. Guys with coolers full of Gucci water and 2 Heinekens
5. Guys who always reset trolled lures waaay waaay back
6. Guys who reset drags after the pangero
7. Guys (like me) who shout "Marlin, Marlin" after they spot lobos, turtles, buckets, whales, dolphin, rays, buoys, etc.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Osprey
Diver, I can tell you what pangeros don't want:
3. Guys with trolling rigs AND flyrods
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Opps, when our one son comes down flyfishing is the only thing he wants to do---guess he won't be popular. 
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No Trotters, fly rods are good these day, it's just that the combo causes extra work and worry for the guides when the fisherMEN try to use both at
once. In fact everybody loves flyguys -- every flyguy on every airline seat is taking up the space a regular fisherman might use -- the flyguy will
mostly release everything, the other guy might have humongous coolers in the luggage bay just waiting for anything to bite.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Osprey
No Trotters, fly rods are good these day, it's just that the combo causes extra work and worry for the guides when the fisherMEN try to use both at
once. In fact everybody loves flyguys -- every flyguy on every airline seat is taking up the space a regular fisherman might use -- the flyguy will
mostly release everything, the other guy might have humongous coolers in the luggage bay just waiting for anything to bite. |
Ah, I see the AND in caps----catch and release is almost all he does---no need for a cooler---well a cooler for fish, that is.
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I like to bring enough food and drink for the guide also. Even though the guide is working, and I am paying, I feel more comfortable treating him
like a friend. We are sharing a day together. He's welcome to try out any lure in my tackle box that catches his fancy, try out a rod and reel
combo, whatever. I hope it to be an enjoyable day for him too.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by wsdunc
I like to bring enough food and drink for the guide also. Even though the guide is working, and I am paying, I feel more comfortable treating him
like a friend. We are sharing a day together. He's welcome to try out any lure in my tackle box that catches his fancy, try out a rod and reel
combo, whatever. I hope it to be an enjoyable day for him too. |
Maybe he should give YOU a tip.
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| Quote: | | Maybe he should give YOU a tip. |
Don't play the horses 
Don't cross the street against the red light
Don't take no wooden nickels
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Most guides I have fished with provide the tackle, though I prefer my own. I will often choose a guide, if I don't have tackle, based upon what he or
she is using. If they have good tackle it shows me that they know something about what they are doing and value quality. Poor quality tackle can ruin
a good trip.
I like to clarify the food and drink issue before getting in the boat. I happily share what I have and have had some of the best tacos, tamales etc.
on the chuck supplied by the captain. I see this as a menu of options offered by captains, half/full day, lunch/no lunch, drinks/no drinks, tackle/no
tackle, bait/no bait, who pays for bait, replace tackle/don't replace tackle, charge for cleaning/don't charge for cleaning, keep/release, give fish
to captain/keep for self. These are all negotiable components of a trip and I like to be clear about them before leaving port. A good captain will be
able to provide for a variety of clients from newbies to accomplished fishermen and adjust fees and services according to the needs of his/her
clients.
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Guides should:
1. Be happy and willing to release fish. As opposed to grumbling and giving you the evil eye.
2. Be actively pursuing fish all day rather than give you a "boat ride" after the first couple of hours.
3. Give advice when asked for but not force his ideas of what constitutes a good fishing day upon you (e.g. a boatfull of dead cabrilla).
4. If compensated with cash he should be willing to fish outside of his normal fishing grounds when client asks.
5. He should tell client how experienced he's with flyfishermen BEFORE leaving the dock.
6. Give an honest appraisal of recent fishing, including species, sizes, and counts, BEFORE booking the client. How often were you expecting white
seabass when the guide knew with total certainty that you were going to be getting nothing but calicos and sheepshead.
P.S. Regarding propinas (tips). If a guide is working for a resort which is paying him virtually nothing other than the gas and lunch then I think the
client should be made aware of this and give more generously than to a self employed guide who is pocketing the entire fee in addition to the tip. I
don't think this distinction was brought up on the thread about tipping.
[Edited on 3-26-2008 by Skipjack Joe]
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Next person who drives by encinitas on their way to ascuncion, I have a new gaff for Juan. Let me know, He needs one. Drop by or i can meet.
Ethan
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Diver
Just thinking a bit after the "tipping" post;
What should you expect from you pangero ?
And what should cost more - or is worth a tip ?
Guides should;
1. Be proficient boat operators that try to keep you dry.
2. Offer suggestions on lures or tackle for the location.
3. Offer suitable rods/reels for rental.
4. Help tie-on lures and leaders if help is needed.
5. Clean your fish for a tip or fee ??
6. Do their best to put you on the fish.
7. Get a tip for a GREAT fishing day.
8. Treat clients with respect.
9. Offer lures at replacement cost if they are lost.
10.
Clients should;
1. Bring their own gear when possible or if you're picky.
2. Don't act like you know it all.
3. Treat your guide with respect.
4. Clean up your trash or messes.
5. Keep your gear tidy - don't take over the boat.
6. Ask if you don't know - or follow your guide's lead.
7. Bring your own bevs and snacks.
8. Thank your guide for his help or advice.
9. Help with launching and landing.
10.Bring/wear suitable clothes to be comfy.
11.Tip for fish cleaning ? Unless you leave most of the fish ?
12. Replace lost lures or pay the local cost asap. (not 3 months later when the fishing is now !)
Feel free to add to or offer a differing opinion for any of my suggestions.
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[Edited on 3-26-2008 by Diver] |
I like it all and agree.
man there is nothing i hate more than setting the lines out only to have some idiot try to secretly let more line out as if the fish were going to hit
his lure first because it was farther back. Then of course when we turn on a meter mark the lines tangle up, and not a single troll rod is hit, school
gone, nobody knows why. that man should be thrown overboard.
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| Quote: | | man there is nothing i hate more than setting the lines out only to have some idiot try to secretly let more line out as if the fish were going to hit
his lure first because it was farther back. Then of course when we turn on a meter mark the lines tangle up, and not a single troll rod is hit, school
gone, nobody knows why. that man should be thrown overboard.
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Funny thing. I do troll for dorado a lot here around Loreto. I always make fun of my better half, who thinks that more line gets you closer to the
fish, by asking her why?? she likes fishing in La Paz or Guaymas.
But, for some reason, she always catches more fish then I or anybody else on board. Go figure !!
[Edited on 3-26-2008 by vandenberg]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by wsdunc
I like to bring enough food and drink for the guide also. Even though the guide is working, and I am paying, I feel more comfortable treating him
like a friend. We are sharing a day together. He's welcome to try out any lure in my tackle box that catches his fancy, try out a rod and reel
combo, whatever. I hope it to be an enjoyable day for him too. |
That's how I roll, and the way I see it. I have not had the pleasure to stay at Shari's, or fish with Jaun, but I liked what she had to say, with
regards to her take on things. Sounds like my kind of people.
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Get good Health Insurance for a back operation. Pangas! Great ride?? Yeah, right....................
Cap'n g
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Capt. George
Get good Health Insurance for a back operation. Pangas! Great ride?? Yeah, right....................
Cap'n g |
IMHO pangas are quite uncomfortable, but tolerable---except at one of the lagoons where we have whale watched, we were the only clients in the panga
with two drivers. They insisted we ride in the front and drove like maniacs over the rough water---they showed no consideration at all, unlike our
experiences elsewhere where the drivers have always shown concern for the clients.
So now we only will go whale watching at the other two lagoons. 
Oh, we certainly did NOT tip them for the experience.
Still believe that as with any business, the fees for services for chartering a fishing expedition should be upfront and clear as to what is included
in that price----and tipping someone above and beyond that with cash or gifts is also appropriate, but not always.
The operator is free to set their fees in a range that will well cover all of their expenses and time. The fisherman is free to accept the fee or
move on. Then any tips received become a welcomed extra.
Over the two threads it is quite clear that many people have different expectations on both sides of the business deal. Diver laid out his
expectations----it is clear, and clarity and honesty can make for very sucessful business dealings. Mystery in doing business leads to many
minunderstands, JMHO.
Diane
[Edited on 3-26-2008 by jdtrotter]
[Edited on 3-26-2008 by jdtrotter]
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Well, well, well. Seems there are several kinds of pangas. You were unaware perhaps? Very heavy ARCA Shroyer old 22s like mine won't hurt your back
in any kind of weather -- rather fish in mine than in any 34 ft cruiser in certain kinds of water. Mag bay crab pangas are true skiffs and will leave
you needing a laminectomy after only a few bay miles in a little chop. Todos Santos 24s are for 90HP, rounded and ready for rough seas and hard
landings but buck like the broncos they were modeled after. For every venue there is a style adapted over time by local fishermen. When you judge, be
careful what boat your butt is in before you blame them all.
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I have now purchased one of these portable back braces, nylon and folds up flat. It's the lack of back support that does in this old burro.
Great post Diver! Clear expectations. Best for all involved. Now if I could just get a line in the water!
Iflyfish
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Wow, how cool would that be if a client brought lunch for the guide...I always pack lots of extra tacos for Juan as he always offers them to his
clients...who are always starving of course..I ask clients if they want me to send a lunch and most refuse but eat what I send anyway...ha! Replacing
lost lures is very important as a rapalla here costs around $250-$30...and a cool cerveza is a great idea too...most guides won't bring beer as it
might look bad but they sure would accept it if offered by the client. Also helping with launching and landing and pulling up the dinghy would be
lovely too...I often help Juan pull it up while a client watches!!!!! It's smart to be prepared with a jacket etc...we often end up lending jackets,
coolers, gear etc. I really liked skipjacks comments.
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