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bajajudy
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Plans for Santa Rosaliita Marina
http://www.bclandacquisitions.com/santarosalita.html
This was an ad on another website I was visiting. Now I see it here but who knows if it will be there for you all, so I posted the link
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Hook
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Pretty funny..........a hoist that doesnt reach the water. Cant believe they'd show that.
Still, that area bears watching.
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Roberto
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Hook
Pretty funny..........a hoist that doesnt reach the water. Cant believe they'd show that.
Still, that area bears watching. |
Looks like it'll reach the water in this shot:
It's been a few years (3+) since I was last there, and they are definitely moving forward. Looks to me like this marina WILL be completed. My guess is
that it'll be much like the Singlar-managed facility at Puerto Escondido - costs and all. And boaters from SoCal will use it!
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Last time we were there - about three or four years ago, the wind was blowing so hard I could hardly open the door in my truck. If we both opened the
doors at the same time, everything would blow out! The wind can really blow hard in this area of Baja. It was horrible. But, I guess the good days
would be nice also.
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Hook
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Roberto
| Quote: | Originally posted by Hook
Pretty funny..........a hoist that doesnt reach the water. Cant believe they'd show that.
Still, that area bears watching. |
Looks like it'll reach the water in this shot:
It's been a few years (3+) since I was last there, and they are definitely moving forward. Looks to me like this marina WILL be completed. My guess is
that it'll be much like the Singlar-managed facility at Puerto Escondido - costs and all. And boaters from SoCal will use it! |
Are the tides really that significant in that area? I doubt it.
To provide the depth need for a vessel that might use that hoist (especially fixed keel sailboats), there will have to be significant dredging around
that hoist.
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Roberto
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Oh, you're referring to dredging? That's a whole different discussion.
I've been there where the sand, which gets swept in by wave action, almost filled the harbor. 
Dredging will be a constant issue at that marina. They could alleviate it by building a dogleg breakwater on the outside, but even that won't solve
the problem completely.
Hoists like that can be used to lift all kinds of boats and put them in dry storage, or the yard, or whatever, but I'm more than certain that you know
that. It's a decent size one, too.
Still and all, I truly believe that marina will see use. All in Mexican time, of course.
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Dredging? Looking at this photo it looks like the lift goes out over concrete!
I think the world is run by C- students.
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Capt. George
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Maybe their gonna trade the lift for a helicopter.
wadda joke!
\"The penalty good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men\" Plato
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He could at least spell the name of the town correctly. His photo of the "surf camp" looks like drug dealer pow wow. See any surfboards? Everyone
in town trucks in their water via barrel. Desal plant - hmmm - who's gonna pay for that? Maintain it?
Boaters from So. Cal. will use it? So. Cal. boaters don't even go to Catalina, much less SOUTH, hoist out of a marina, drive a couple hundred miles
trailering their precious boat, then off-load into the Gulf of California, AND THEN WHAT? Back again? Few boaters from anywhere will do that. Why
would they? You'd have to be very wealthy and have plenty of free time to be able to do this in the first place; and if that were so, why would you
do it this way? This has been talked about to death already.
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Roberto
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| Quote: | Originally posted by wilderone
Boaters from So. Cal. will use it? So. Cal. boaters don't even go to Catalina, much less SOUTH, hoist out of a marina, drive a couple hundred miles
trailering their precious boat, then off-load into the Gulf of California, AND THEN WHAT? |
You're going off the deep end. I'm not talking about the Escalera, just the marina. If it's finished (and I'm betting it will be), it WILL be used.
There are plenty of boaters in So. Cal (I'm one of them) that would love to have a marina in that area to use as a base. Even trailerboaters will
launch from there and use it as a base. It opens up a great fishing area that is not only available with boats that have enough range to reach Bahia
Tortugas from Ensenada. This would cut that down significantly. Up until a few years ago, it was even money in my mind, but seeing where they are it
will be done ... because, and whether it makes sense or not, and economically it would be hard to make the case for it.
The entire grandiose Escalera plan is another thing entirely and not what I was referring to.
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Roberto, and you're drowning in the shallows: How can you speak to the use of this little marina without talking about dredging or Mexico's plan
(under whatever new and changing name) to entice U.S. boaters to come down and across or down and around to spend money on this peninsula or Mexico's
west coast? You can't. The sand will either fill it up or it won't. Small trailered boats might stop there if they can use it but it will never be
used as the plan envisioned: to move yachts on big trucks to BOLA so it is destined, IMHO to become a boat ramp for tin boats -- it will have a
Mexican 7-11 and, of course, a cyber cafe.
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Roberto
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Osprey
Roberto, and you're drowning in the shallows: |
| Quote: | Originally posted by Osprey
How can you speak to the use of this little marina without talking about dredging or Mexico's plan |
Why can't I? It's not religion, it's a friggin' marina for chrissakes. If the marina is built, it WILL be used.
[Edited on 3-28-2008 by Roberto]
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Roberto, Sorry, I get it, you wanted to tell us it would be used. It was all that other gobbledegoop about the place that threw me off. When you start
out telling our distinquished members they have gone off the deep end you have little chance of getting our complete attention. Next time at the
keyboard think before you type.
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Roberto
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Osprey
When you start out telling our distinquished members they have gone off the deep end you have little chance of getting our complete attention. Next
time at the keyboard think before you type. |
I do. And, I mean what I say. Pretty presumptious of you to say that what you don't agree with must be the result of not thinking things through,
wouldn't you say? Not to mention patronizing, oh wise one. 
Wilderone is clearly off the deep end on this one, as shown in the past. Sorry if that offends you or reduces my audience.
[Edited on 3-28-2008 by Roberto]
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Boys.........The lift appears to be a 35 ton Travel Lift. On the port side of the picture of the lift in the blue "box" there should be housed a
50h.p. diesel motor. Through transmission gears the lift operator is able to drive out on the concrete and lower slings down under awaiting
vessels,and raise them up and drive off to place them on land or trailers to be transported other places. Easy and predictable business in most spots.
Not here!! There will have to be an onsite continuual dredge operating to deal with the wind driven sand events that will constantly fill this
harbor. This expense alone will take any and all profits from the haulout facility. Then it will be iffy for them to keep up on the maintenance of the
lift. When you start to picking up 10 to 20 tons with marginaly maintained gear you run substancel risks. It is always very very windy here most of
the time too. Was just a bad location choice for their development. ++C++
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Roberto
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Crusoe
Not here!! There will have to be an onsite continuual dredge operating to deal with the wind driven sand events that will constantly fill this
harbor. This expense alone will take any and all profits from the haulout facility. |
| Quote: | Originally posted by Crusoe
Was just a bad location choice for their development. ++C++ |
All true, and thanks for the education on the Travelift. BUT, this operation is run by the MEXICAN GOVERNMENT. It was clear from early on that sand
filling up this man made harbor was going to be an issue. If you look at the prevailing wind and seas, and see how the breakwaters have been built and
located, it's pretty clear what will happen. Several times I have been there, the entire marina was filled with sand, with at most 1-5" water in a few
spots. Has this stopped them? Has this caused rethinking of the project? Why would anyone think this would change now? It's not like the money is
coming out of their pockets.
[Edited on 3-28-2008 by Roberto]
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I wonder why they didn't build the breakwater of the point, giving them a bigger harbor and probably a better dynamic for the sand problem. Not that
I'm sad they decided not to, what with the surfing.....
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Roberto
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Mexitron
I wonder why they didn't build the breakwater of the point, giving them a bigger harbor and probably a better dynamic for the sand problem. Not that
I'm sad they decided not to, what with the surfing..... |
The wonders of centrally managed projects and economies ....
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We've been there a couple of times recently, and the enameled signs posted along the road into town don't spell the name right, either.
The road to town has been widened and is now paved all the way to the marina. It turns to the right on nearing town, continues for a ways, and then
descends to the marina area.
Where that road turns right, the old dirt road still hangs a left and winds down into town as it always did, and is still unpaved--giving the
impression that there's more concern for tourists than for residents [big surprise!].
Steve talked with some local people, who said they had been told that the government would build houses for them--all looking alike--and all they had
to do was sign an agreement. Most didn't want to sign.
What has always surprised me is the dinky size of that marina--doesn't look like it'll accommodate many boats, unless they're the kind powered with
oars.
\"Very few things happen at the right time, and the rest never happen at all. The conscientious historian will correct these defects.\" -
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| Quote: | Originally posted by wilderone
He could at least spell the name of the town correctly. His photo of the "surf camp" looks like drug dealer pow wow. See any surfboards? Everyone
in town trucks in their water via barrel. Desal plant - hmmm - who's gonna pay for that? Maintain it?
Boaters from So. Cal. will use it? So. Cal. boaters don't even go to Catalina, much less SOUTH, hoist out of a marina, drive a couple hundred miles
trailering their precious boat, then off-load into the Gulf of California, AND THEN WHAT? Back again? Few boaters from anywhere will do that. Why
would they? You'd have to be very wealthy and have plenty of free time to be able to do this in the first place; and if that were so, why would you
do it this way? This has been talked about to death already. |
What pictures of a surf camp, I keep going back but can't seem to find them.
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