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mulege marv
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sacramento
i had a terrible experience with the consolate there ! actually worse than yours, i eventually haulted the process there and applied for it when i got
here. whew ! so much easier ! they didnt want to see half the papers i brought down that the sacto office required. do it here lots easier !
Want what you have
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durrelllrobert
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| Quote: | Originally posted by comitan
What will be really frustrating for you, when you get down here and have to do it all over again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[Edited on 1-19-2008 by comitan] |
As a minimum you will have to go to migration to have FM-3 stamped and
signed; otherwise it is not valid
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CaboRon
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Sounds as if the Sacramento consul is out of control.... I would avoid that office and either process at San Diego or when you arrive .... depending
on where you are going to settle..... I found La Paz to be very courteous and quick.
Although I have to add that a friend of mine (a gentleman of color) was given an endless runaround in La Paz and finally had to hire an attorney to
take care of it for him. It leads me to think that racism is a component in La Paz.
CaboRon
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bajaguy
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If you go to the Consulate in San Diego at 8AM with all of your docs in order, you can pick up your FM-3 the next day. then get it stamped by
migracion at the border, then registered by migracion in your "county".
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vandenberg
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| Quote: | [quote It leads me to think that racism is a component in La Paz.
CaboRon |
Worldwide phenomenon I'm afraid, no matter what they make you believe.
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bombero
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During the 70.s the Sacramento Consulate could be an all day event obtaining a Visa.I see not much has changed.
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Santiago
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Update: went back this morning and picked up FM3 in about 10 minutes. Piece of cake today. Was told I have 90 days to go to Baja to register, but
since mi esposa doesn't read this board I think it might get shortened to 15 days so I can get out of this rain. Will report on whatever machinations
('stuff' for you guys from Bakersfield) I gotta go through there.
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bajaguy
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Santiago.....easiest way to get it stamped is it the Immigration office in Otay Mesa. Park in the US Customs lot or anywhere you can find a spot on
the street on the US side of the Otay crossing, take the footbridge over to the Mexico side. The Immigration office (INM) is right there.
Just walk in and ask them to stamp it......simple. Cross the street through the barriers and enter the US entry line for pedestrians, then process
through US Customs.
On you way back to your car, Stop at Eric's Deli.... in the little shopping center just north of US Customs.
Then all you have to do is "register" your FM-3 with Mexican Immigration (INM) in the "county" where you live....but, that's another adventure!!!
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Santiago
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Final resolution:
Today I am the proud holder of my very own FM3. I used an agent in Ensenada who went to Migracion on Feb 19 and finally got it a few days ago. She
sent it to me via Fed Ex (estafeta in MX) for about $25. Whole thing from start to finish about 75 days. Thanks to Bajaguy for the referal - helped a
lot.
By the way - I'm curious for some honest opinions here: my buddy thinks I'm a dumby spending around $200 plus renewals for the FM3 when he feels no
one else is doing this for a 'leased' lot. What are your opinions?
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meme
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The Federal Law, Article 66 reads “foreigners, independently of their migratory status, by themselves or through any third party, may without need of
the permit from the Ministry of the Interior(Gobernacion) acquire any fixed or variable income instruments; perform bank deposits, as well as to
acquire urban properties(real estate) and direct rights over the same, with the restrictions indicated in Article 27 of the Constitution; of the Law
of Foreigner Investment and other applicable law(refers to the permit from the Ministry of Foreigner Affairs regarding restricted areas).
The confusion is that all business here apply there own internal process for the purchase of real Estate
THE ATHORITIES ARE NOW TELLING US HERE THAT YOU DO NOT NEED AN FM-3 TO BUY, OWN OR LEASE PRPERTY BUT NEED IT TO SELL PROPERTY IN MX.
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DianaT
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| Quote: | Originally posted by meme
The Federal Law, Article 66 reads “foreigners, independently of their migratory status, by themselves or through any third party, may without need of
the permit from the Ministry of the Interior(Gobernacion) acquire any fixed or variable income instruments; perform bank deposits, as well as to
acquire urban properties(real estate) and direct rights over the same, with the restrictions indicated in Article 27 of the Constitution; of the Law
of Foreigner Investment and other applicable law(refers to the permit from the Ministry of Foreigner Affairs regarding restricted areas).
The confusion is that all business here apply there own internal process for the purchase of real Estate
THE ATHORITIES ARE NOW TELLING US HERE THAT YOU DO NOT NEED AN FM-3 TO BUY, OWN OR LEASE PRPERTY BUT NEED IT TO SELL PROPERTY IN MX.
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What about what we keep hearing that without an FM3 it is illegal to leave property in Mexico-- said left property being considered abandoned????
Yes, or No ???
Diane
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sylens
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we got same story in ensenada
you can buy a house with an fmt, but to sell it, you need an fm3.
lili
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roamin
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Funny I was just discussing the topic with DavidK U2U. I recently closed on a property via a fideicomiso and I think since I am not technically
holding a title (it is held by a bank) you are not required to get an FM-3. The Bank is required to protect my rights as a beneficiary. We did however
need get the government permit up front though. There are other legal reasons for getting the FM-3 and it is in regards to your status in court and
protection under Mexican law as a "legal Immigrant". We are getting ours done.
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meme
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We have been doing ours for 9 years , so NOW They Tell Us! But you are right roamim i think there are other reasons too for having the FM's.
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BajaWarrior
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| Quote: | Originally posted by meme
We have been doing ours for 9 years , so NOW They Tell Us! But you are right roamim i think there are other reasons too for having the FM's.
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Meme, where did you hear this information?
I hate FM-3's!!! 
Haven't had a bad trip yet....
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meme
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Eldorado Ranch Supervisors meeting. The Federal Law I posted earlier was sent out to us from The Adminstartor of EDR HOA, Cliff Ulman.
It was told to residents at an EDR Seminar by an attorney & Mr. Ulman later last week was defing it for residents.
Also we had freinds sell their place recently & they both had to have an FM-3 to sell as both names were on the papers & only one of them had
an FM-3. They were told the FM must be in effect for 6 months but apparently managed to get around that one.
[Edited on 4-4-2008 by meme]
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rts551
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We started our FM- process many years ago because the Immigration officials came by our house and said we had to. I didn't think (and probably don't
today) I was in a position to argue with them too much.
Hoping to end the process soon as we are in our 3rd year of a FM-2.
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DianaT
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| Quote: | Originally posted by rts551
We started our FM- process many years ago because the Immigration officials came by our house and said we had to. I didn't think (and probably don't
today) I was in a position to argue with them too much.
Hoping to end the process soon as we are in our 3rd year of a FM-2. |
Probably a very good reason to start the process. 
Or you could have stood up to immigration and demanded your RIGHTS. That could have gotten someone a very good real estate deal in Abreojos. 
We have our FM3s, but this is all very interesting. Still wondering about the right to leave things in Mexico is one does not have an FM3??? If
true, it alone would be a reason to get an FM3.
Diane
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HCR
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Hmmm, Perhaps all the Mexican officials have changed the way they did business since I had a "problem"with paperwork two years ago (not an FM3) issue.
As has been the case since 1973, "algo por los ninos" ("bribes") resolved the issue at once and with everyone involved most willing to help me.
Use it up, wear it out, make do, or do without.
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