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[*] posted on 4-13-2008 at 04:10 PM
Cinco de Mayo


I can't help it, I have to send this out every year.

The Mexicans in the states celebrate Cinco de Mayo more than the ones here in Mexico, but the ones that do celebrate here, barbecue and party. Mexicans party at the drop of a hat, which really isn't a bad thing. They even celebrate some American holidays. Any thing that gives them an excuse to party. Here is the history of Cinco de Mayo
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[*] posted on 4-13-2008 at 04:52 PM


I still say, the popularity of Cinco De Mayo in the states started in Newport Beach 50 [?] years ago. The yacht race organised at the Newport Harbor Yacht Club was and is called the Cinco De Mayo race or, more appropriatly, the Ensenada Race. It was traditionally held with that day in mind and the historical date was given exposure in the states as a party event in Ensenada. It was a huge party and the event became known all over the place, not for history but, Hussongs and the entire strip in Ensenada.
The day gained notariety in areas beyond the yacht club and the original meaning of the day became evident to many areas in the US and it grew in popularity as an important day in Mexican history, which it was never celebrated as such.
Today in Mexico, the locals shrug their shoulders at the mention of the day.
In Newport Beach, they design their calender with the day in mind.
Just my humble, studied, opinion.

[Edited on 4-13-2008 by DENNIS]
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[*] posted on 4-13-2008 at 04:58 PM


I always heard it was a Hallmark moment
It is a holiday that the Mexicans can celebrate without any reference to battles with the USA....they defeated the French for crying out loud....who cares. Not even the Mexicans.




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[*] posted on 4-13-2008 at 05:42 PM


Not Hallmark, CORONA!



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[*] posted on 4-13-2008 at 05:49 PM


Much better explanation!



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[*] posted on 4-13-2008 at 05:51 PM


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I still say, the popularity of Cinco De Mayo in the states started in Newport Beach 50 [?] years ago. The yacht race organised at the Newport Harbor Yacht Club was and is called the Cinco De Mayo race or, more appropriatly, the Ensenada Race. It was traditionally held with that day in mind and the historical date was given exposure in the states as a party event in Ensenada. It was a huge party and the event became known all over the place, not for history but, Hussongs and the entire strip in Ensenada.
The day gained notariety in areas beyond the yacht club and the original meaning of the day became evident to many areas in the US and it grew in popularity as an important day in Mexican history, which it was never celebrated as such.
Today in Mexico, the locals shrug their shoulders at the mention of the day.
In Newport Beach, they design their calender with the day in mind.
Just my humble, studied, opinion.

[Edited on 4-13-2008 by DENNIS]
Ensenada, cinco, 50's to early 60's. WOW! Was that ever party time. 48hrs. non stop.:spingrin::spingrin::spingrin:
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[*] posted on 4-13-2008 at 07:30 PM


In Vegas - all the casinos go all out for Cinco De Mayo - sponsered by Carona !!!:?::?:
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[*] posted on 4-13-2008 at 07:46 PM


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In Vegas - all the casinos go all out for Cinco De Mayo - sponsered by Carona !!!:?::?:


I can't imagine how that would, or wouldn't, go over if they tried it in Mexico.
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[*] posted on 4-14-2008 at 08:03 AM


Sundog, thank you for the link to the historical explanation of the holiday. Even though some celebrated events begin with such tragedy one can always find a reason to have another Tecate, or three. :saint:;):P



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[*] posted on 4-14-2008 at 08:55 AM
The "reality" of Cinco de Mayo


We were in Puebla several times in recent years and spent some time walking the area and reviewing the famous "battle"

Actually, this was just a part of the war that the locals did not lose quite as badly as some of their other losses.

After the skirmishes of the day, the French simply bypassed the city and soldiered on to the capital.

All in all, not much more than a brief psychological victory, nothing much to celebrate IMHO.
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[*] posted on 4-14-2008 at 09:52 AM


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We were in Puebla several times in recent years and spent some time walking the area and reviewing the famous "battle"


You mean "sinking" don't you? :)

Did you get any photos of the monument to Hellmann's? :smug:




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[*] posted on 4-14-2008 at 10:08 AM


Cinco De Mayo, was one of the most celebrated days in Elko Nv. Lots of buffets and many other things going on. Elko has a very large population of Mx. very few of them attended these festivities:lol:
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[*] posted on 4-14-2008 at 10:57 AM


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Cinco De Mayo, was one of the most celebrated days in Elko Nv. Lots of buffets and many other things going on. Elko has a very large population of Mx. very few of them attended these festivities:lol:


Those with limited education possibly had no idea what the historical significance was. It's a U.S. party started by mostly white, middle/upper class yachties.
That's all Mexico needs...another reason to not show up for work as though San Lunes wasn't enough.
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[*] posted on 4-14-2008 at 11:52 AM


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Cinco De Mayo, was one of the most celebrated days in Elko Nv. Lots of buffets and many other things going on. Elko has a very large population of Mx. very few of them attended these festivities:lol:


Those with limited education possibly had no idea what the historical significance was. It's a U.S. party started by mostly white, middle/upper class yachties.
That's all Mexico needs...another reason to not show up for work as though San Lunes wasn't enough.
;D our helper has quit showing up for work I think he may think it's cinco de mayo already:lol:
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[*] posted on 4-14-2008 at 12:09 PM


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;D our helper has quit showing up for work I think he may think it's cinco de mayo already:lol:


That's what I mean by San Lunes. Not showing up for work on Mondays is so common that society has, with tongue in cheek, alloted the day the status of a saints day. Saint Monday.
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[*] posted on 4-14-2008 at 12:39 PM


Thanks Dennis, I did not know that. Trouble is we may have already replaced him for Tue.:lol:
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[*] posted on 4-14-2008 at 02:05 PM
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Should be the day celebrated by Mexican descendents in the United States.
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[*] posted on 4-14-2008 at 02:11 PM


Right you are, Bill. There's no way they can lose.
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[*] posted on 4-14-2008 at 06:22 PM


Interesting and amusing suppositions, as usual all wrong. The first Cinco de Mayo celebration was on Olvera street in old L.A., May 5, 1863, one year after the battle, while Mexico was still occupied by the French. Why this is celebrated more this side of the border is due to the Mexican-American Civic and Cultural organizations that raised funds and even sent fighters to support Juarez. When Max eventually got whacked, those early Chicanos considered it "their" victory and settled on 5/5 as a focal point for celebrating the (eventual) victory over the foreign invaders Today it's almost a property of Corona, but WTF, I'm Irish, I'll drink to anything.



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[*] posted on 4-14-2008 at 06:52 PM


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Interesting and amusing suppositions, as usual all wrong.


I don't think so. The build up, the race, the non-stop party and the trip home to Newport involved more north of the border participants than Olvera Street and it's cultural organizations could gather together in a hundred years. If you didn't see it or jump into the middle of it, you won't be able to appreciate the magnitude of the production which appealed to civilized people in a restraint-free setting and the promise of a repeat event the following year.
In Newport, "Cinco" fever spread to points beyond and eventually, with big time advertisers, throughout the states. Many thought it was Mexican independence day and because the advertising never explained the significance of the day, the party atmosphere grew since, after all, Americans know full well how to behave on Independence Day.
Olvera Street? Sure, it's part of the history but, without that sailboat race, it would still be confined to a speech or two in the park and a three car parade.
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