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Gadget
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Registered: 9-10-2006
Location: Point Loma CA
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Here's my list.
You pick which one fits your mind set.
List A: we are going to...
the mall
the yacht
the plastic surgeon
the broadway show
the polo match
the Baja
etc.
List B: we are going to
Walmart
Costco
work
school
surf
shoot our shotguns
raid a polo match
Baja
etc.
Boy I'm going to p.o. some folks with this one. Sorry, I am bad some times 
"Mankind will not be judged by their faults, but by the direction of their lives." Leo Giovinetti
See you in Baja
http://www.LocosMocos.com
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David K
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Why not... as with
The Sudan
The Sahara
The Congo
  
Baja is so awesome and well known, it no longer needs to be 'attached' to the word 'California'! Thus we have The Baja!! 
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Oso
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Registered: 8-29-2003
Location: on da border
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You're allowed to call it whatever you want on English language websites. Just be prepared for icy stares in other circumstances.
All my childhood I wanted to be older. Now I\'m older and this chitn sucks.
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Sharksbaja
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Like Jimmy, I've always hated it.
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Finally......... a weakness! 
Menolikeiteither.
DON\'T SQUINT! Give yer eyes a break!
Try holding down [control] key and toggle the [+ and -] keys
Viva Mulege!
Nomads\' Sunsets
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Von
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Posts: 961
Registered: 10-1-2006
Location: Poway-Rosarito
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Yo soy de Baja... mmm Who cares......
I call it (MI Patio)......hahahaha..
READY SET.....................
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Packoderm
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I've always referred to Yucatan as "the Yucatan" because that is how I've heard it said most often. I've always referred to Baja and Baja Sur as
"Baja" because it would not be trendy to do otherwise. Now that I think about it, "the Baja" sounds pretty low-key and unpretentious. I'd switch to
referring to it that way, but I couldn't pull it off without it feeling contrived. I've always referred to Havana, Cuba as Havana, but I've seen it on
Spanish language maps as La Habana - for what that's worth. I really, really doubt that some people actively concoct up ways to disrespect places and
then do so by putting "the" in front of the places' names. Baja, translated to lower, is a region, so I highly doubt there ever was ever a Sr. Baja
to disrespect anyway. If anything, foreigners, such as Canadians, using the name "the Baja" makes it sound like just another place to explore rather
than a name of grand reverence. If you think about it, Bajas North and South is plural, and thus it would be logical to refer to both of them in a
plural sense which would make grammatical sense to place the article "the" in front of the name antecedent in name to both places. It probably took
several gringos sitting around to determine that any of this is worth discussing, but it is hard to imagine that it is worth flexing one's sphincter
if it the name is said by somebody in a way that is different from what one is accustomed. A favorite quote of mine; "No b-tching in the Baja."
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capt. mike
Elite Nomad
Posts: 8085
Registered: 11-26-2002
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ah........the magic of Frank!!! any time he can be included in discourse i know i have found new friends.
who of you saw ZPZ this past 2 years? was it not splenditious??
oh, to make it kosher here......i hope the Dweez plays the baja one day.
formerly Ordained in Rev. Ewing\'s Church by Mail - busted on tax fraud.......
Now joined L. Ron Hoover\'s church of Appliantology
\"Remember there is a big difference between kneeling down and bending over....\"
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shari
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Posts: 13050
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Location: bahia asuncion, baja sur
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Mood: there is no reality except the one contained within us "Herman Hesse"
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In Spanish many many things and even people are referred to as THE this or that...so I figure this way of calling the baja came from the spanish way
to describe things...here we say for example....I'm going to call Sirena...voy hablar La Sirena. And seeing as Baja is a peninsula, we refer to it as
a thing...I love the Baja (peninsula)...me encanta la Baja! It's a term of endearment for a thing we all love.
Please dont HATE!
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Oso
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Ukraine or "the Ukraine"?
by
Andrew Gregorovich
THE NAME UKRAINE, which first appeared in the historical chronicles in 1187, has been common in the English language for almost 350 years. In the
earliest years it appeared without the definite article "the" but in this century the definite article increasingly preceded the name Ukraine.
First of all we might note that the Ukrainian language has no articles so this is not a factor except indirectly. The reason for this is that many
Ukrainian immigrant scholars, due to their imperfect knowledge of English, used the form "the Ukraine" in their books thus helping to perpetuate this
usage.
Does English grammar require the definite article the before Ukraine? Ukraine is the name of an independent country. There are only two groups of
countries which require the article in English: Those with plural names such as the United States or the Netherlands. The others have names with
adjectival or compound forms which require the article, such as the United Kingdom, the Dominion of Canada, or the Ukrainian SSR.
English grammar does not require a definite article before the names of singular countries such as England, Canada or Ukraine.
Geographical regions such as the Arctic, the Atlantic, the North, the West, and the prairies all require the definite article, but these are not
countries. Since 1917 Ukraine has had very definite borders so it cannot be regarded as merely a region. Some people have mistakenly thought that
Ukraine is a general word meaning "the borderland;' "the steppes" or "the prairies;' which would require the article. A few neanderthal writers in the
past have even promoted "the Ukraine" to reflect the original meaning "the borderland" in order to diminish the international political stature of
Ukraine. They betrayed their ignorance of Ukraine, or their bias against it, with this usage. See for example, the view of Robert 0. Grover in the
U.S. News & World Report (Dec. 9, 1991).
Is there any other reason to use the definite article in English with Ukraine? Usage has been suggested as a reason but this cannot be accepted today
since the majority of books and newspapers do not use it.
For example, the authoritative five volume Encyclopedia of Ukraine edited by Danylo Struk and published by the University of Toronto Press does not
use it. The article is not used by such prominent publications as The Ukrainian Quarterly (New York), Ukrainian Review (London, England), Forum
Ukrainian Review (Scranton, Pa.), Ukrainian Voice (Winnipeg), Ukrainian Echo (Toronto), Journal of Ukrainian Studies (Toronto), Ukrainian News
(Edmonton) or News From Ukraine (Kiev). In fact, today there is no Ukrainian periodical in English which uses the article although Harvard Ukrainian
Studies once forced it on scholarly contributors.
But what about the regular daily press in the USA, Canada and England? Even The New York Times (which once required it in its Style Guide) does not
use it now. Neither do The Times (London), The Economist (London), Washington Post, TIME, Newsweek or Maclean's. News services such as Canadian Press,
Reuters, CNN and Associated Press do not use the article. When the December 1991 referendum confirmed the independence of Ukraine the White House in
Washington, D.C. officially announced that it would discontinue use of the definite article before the name Ukraine.
Even the computer age has ruled that "the" Ukraine is wrong in English. Gram-mat-ik, the very popular grammar and style checker for computers by
Reference Software International of San Francisco, uses Ukraine without the article and labels "the Ukraine" as a mistake of grammar.
There appears to be virtually no grammatical or logical reason to use the definite article before the name Ukraine. But it is still encountered
occasionally because of habit or because the writer is careless or ignorant about Ukraine. Sir Bernard Pares the eminent English historian of Russia
suggested that "the Ukraine" came from French usage. We say Ia France, le Canada and l'Ukraine in French but not 'the France; 'the Canada' or 'the
Ukraine' in the English language. The definite article the does not add anything to the meaning or clarity when used before the proper noun Ukraine.
Now, the exception to the rule. Yes, it is possible for "the Ukraine" to be correct in English but it is a very rare usage in apposition to contrast
the past with the present. For example, one could correctly say, "The America of George Washington is not the America of Bill Clinton" as well as "The
Ukraine of Shevchenko is not the Ukraine of Kravchuk."
We may conclude then, that the use of the definite article in English before the name Ukraine is awkward, incorrect and superfluous. Writers who care
about good style in their English grammar and the correctness of their language will always avoid the use of "the Ukraine" and use only the simpler
and correct "Ukraine."
BTW, re: Gram-mat-ic software. I once had that on a PC and once I typed an essay with the term Homo Sapien. The software told me to avoid derogatory
language.
[Edited on 5-24-2008 by Oso]
[Edited on 5-24-2008 by Oso]
All my childhood I wanted to be older. Now I\'m older and this chitn sucks.
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Don Alley
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Paula
factoid: No man is an island, he's a peninsula-- according to Frank Zappa |
Zappa? Nope.
"A Small Package of Value Will Come To You, Shortly"
Jefferson Airplane, After Bathing At Baxter's
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Don Alley
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Location: Loreto
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| Quote: | Originally posted by shari
In Spanish many many things and even people are referred to as THE this or that...so I figure this way of calling the baja came from the spanish way
to describe things...here we say for example....I'm going to call Sirena...voy hablar La Sirena. And seeing as Baja is a peninsula, we refer to it as
a thing...I love the Baja (peninsula)...me encanta la Baja! It's a term of endearment for a thing we all love.
Please dont HATE! |
The Donald
But not me, some other guy with a place in the baja.
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Paula
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Don Alley
| Quote: | Originally posted by Paula
factoid: No man is an island, he's a peninsula-- according to Frank Zappa |
Zappa? Nope.
"A Small Package of Value Will Come To You, Shortly"
Jefferson Airplane, After Bathing At Baxter's
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Oops! I was mistaken.
But one thing is for certain:
I am your sofa and your are my chrome dinette
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Pompano
Elite Nomad
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Location: Bay of Conception and Up North
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Ah...
I do what the voices in my tackle box tell me.
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Paula
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Pompano,
I thought my sanity might be questioned for that one
Sofa/Chrome dinette is a Zappa song. Another classic from the same album: "She Was the Daughter of a Wealthy Florentine Pogen"
I emphasized the word the here to avoid being called a hijacker-- now back to the Baja, or Baja as I would sy it
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toneart
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
| Quote: | Originally posted by CaboRon
 More and more I am seeing the term "The Baja" to refer to all of BC and BCS
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What do you think of this term ..... |
"baja" is an adjective. More logical to refer to it as "the baja"... |
This is correct if you were to follow "The Baja" with a noun such as Penninsula. Not correct if you just leave it dangling
like Canadian syntax. (I don't know whether I made a simile or a smiley).
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toneart
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Oso
Ukraine or "the Ukraine"?
Edited on 5-24-2008 by Oso]
[Edited on 5-24-2008 by Oso] |
(I deleted the whole quote to prevent someone else from suffering the same fate that has befallen me):
Oso, you are absolutely correct, however, after reading the whole thing Ukrained my neck when my chin hit my chest.
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Vince
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Clearly, the question of THE has touched a nerve in many of us. I for one always thought it was affected to say "The Baja", so I never say it. I have
always referred to it ,as most do, as "Baja" since I first started going there in the '40's. Only since the '70's or '80's did the new term emerge.
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UnoMas
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Location: East Cape
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Slow times on Nomads huh?  
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toneart
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| Quote: | Originally posted by UnoMas
Slow times on Nomads huh? |
Uh-h-h-h-h-h-h-h.........................Yup!
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capt. mike
Elite Nomad
Posts: 8085
Registered: 11-26-2002
Location: Bat Cave
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Paula - quite simply put - you ROCK girl!!
hope to meet you some time and we can listen to to Frank on the baja.....
formerly Ordained in Rev. Ewing\'s Church by Mail - busted on tax fraud.......
Now joined L. Ron Hoover\'s church of Appliantology
\"Remember there is a big difference between kneeling down and bending over....\"
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