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beercan
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Do you dream at night ? Where do you get your "facts" ??
My farmer friend says you're full of it !! He doesn't have to pay the "road use tax" of $.18--.26 /gallon --big savings --huh ?
My Brother-in -law who is the Manager of a fuel and oil distributor in Colorado says ditto !!
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Large companies like municipalities and farmer's coops are buying bulk in a much lower price that we see at the pump.
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805gregg
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Diver
F350 Deisel here - $4.10/gallon !!
I guess I could spend $24,000 on a Prius and drive with my knees in my chest ? 
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Nope buy a Honda Civic Hybrid, plenty of room. $ 23,500 with nav.
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Frank
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Ive heard people with transfer tanks full of deisel are being turned back at the border.
Can anyone confirm this? Im on the edge of getting a transfer tank.
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by 805gregg
| Quote: | Originally posted by Diver
F350 Deisel here - $4.10/gallon !!
I guess I could spend $24,000 on a Prius and drive with my knees in my chest ?
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Nope buy a Honda Civic Hybrid, plenty of room. $ 23,500 with nav. |
the prius is quite roomy for my 6'2" frame. lose the beer gut and you will fit 
>$4 gas is here to stay, deal with it 
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rts551
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| Quote: | As I understand it, the increased cost to refine diesel is because the cost of retrofitting the refineries for low sulfur processing is being
amortized over a very few number of years.
| Quote: | Originally posted by Pescador
That is not correct about refining costs. It is still much cheaper to refine and develop than regular unleaded gasoline even with the new low sulfur
levels. It is simply marketed with a higher cost because it is tolerated, for the most part. Large companies like municipalities and farmer's coops
are buying bulk in a much lower price that we see at the pump. |
http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/oog/info/gdu/gasdiesel.asp
Cost to refine a gallon of gas is about 1/2 the cost to refine a gallon of diesel. Just because diesel comes off lower in the refraction column does
not make it cheaper anymore. The new federal sulfur standards, which kicked in in 2006, are only 15 PPM. That is only 5% of the old standards. That
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[Edited on 5-23-2008 by rts551]
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Bajafun777
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I have checked with the Customs regulations on this diesel fuel tank thing and as best as I can see if you are not driving back into the United States
with the ability of more than 125 gallons of fuel you are ok. My friend's buddy works at Customs and gave him the Customs ruling. Now, if you have a
pump device attached to your tank then they do come at you with the thought that you are bringing it back into the United States to sale it. I have
the ability to bring a total of 60 gallons back and go down about once a month to get it, unless I do the San Diego and Baja thing which causes me to
refuel. Hope this helps and if someone knows or has some different ruling let me know. I have not had any problems on this but I have talked with
people that did have problems due to the tank being too big and the pump device that is like a "red light" flashing to the Customs inspectors.
Later---------- bajafun777
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stimbo
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Ouch!
This was taken 2 weeks ago in Bridgeport, California. The price has gone up even further...
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tripledigitken
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Diesel went over $5 gal in the City of San Diego today.
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BMG
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| Quote: | Originally posted by vgabndo
HR 6 would have rolled back some of the freebies we generous tax-payers give to the oil companies so they can get even richer.
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I'm curious as to where these roll backs are cited in HR 6? Wading through a bill like this is about an enjoyable as reading the phone book, but the
only reference I can find to the oil companies is: "Amends the Internal Revenue Code to extend: (1) through calendar year 2008 the 0.2% Federal
Unemployment Tax Act (FUTA) surtax payable by employers; and (2) from five to seven years the amortization period for geological and geophysical
expenditures by certain major integrated oil companies."
I think the world is run by C- students.
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woody with a view
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| Quote: | Originally posted by beercan
My farmer friend says you're full of it !! He doesn't have to pay the "road use tax" of $.18--.26 /gallon --big savings --huh ?
My Brother-in -law who is the Manager of a fuel and oil distributor in Colorado says ditto !!
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Large companies like municipalities and farmer's coops are buying bulk in a much lower price that we see at the pump.
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the diesel fuel is dyed red and labeled for non hiway use. we get it by the barrel for our pettibone and generators on the jobsite.
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woody with a view
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| Quote: | Originally posted by vgabndo
You can thank our mealy-mouthed, do-nothing, lying, scum-bag congressman WALLY HERGER (R) since he is on record as being part of the problem. When HR
6 came up for the vote in January he said, like a burro, NAAAAAAAAAAAY.
HR 6 would have rolled back some of the freebies we generous tax-payers give to the oil companies so they can get even richer. It would also have
budgeted about the cost of a week of his favorite war
(Operation Iraqi Liberation O. I. L.) to promote the development and use of alternative energy in the USA. Thanks Wally...what a big surprise you
punk.
Keep in mind, he's up for re-election again after sucking at the public teat for 22 years. |
i just sent in my absentee ballot today and i hope there will be some changes in this part of the state as well.
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Frank
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Thanks Bajafun777, thats the type of info I was looking for.
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Cypress
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Hope all those "anti-drill-for-oil-in-the-USA" idiots have deep pockets, they're gonna need 'em.   How many miles does a Polar Bear get per
gallon?
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Pescador
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| Quote: | | Cost to refine a gallon of gas is about 1/2 the cost to refine a gallon of diesel. Just because diesel comes off lower in the refraction column does
not make it cheaper anymore. The new federal sulfur standards, which kicked in in 2006, are only 15 PPM. That is only 5% of the old standards. That
takes some extra processing. |
Well, this is fun and I spent a couple of hours reading everything I could find on the net and the real answer is that it is still cheaper to refine
diesel than it is gasoline and they can use heavier crude to get jet fuel, diesel, and kerosene, but the real issue is how they have set the
distribution load at the refinery and where they decide to crack the crude being refined. The demand for diesel in other parts of the world has
really thrown the balance out of whack and therefore production is keyed to supply and demand.
Europe, Mexico, South America as well as the Middle East are all producing diesel at a significantly lower price than gasoline so the marketing and
distribution seems to be a key factor in final pricing.
Since there is a dire shortage of refinery capacity and the political climate has not tolerated or allowed any new refineries to be built in the
last 10 years, this skewing of diesel prices will probably get even worse in the future. In Europe where the diesel automobile and light truck usage
overshadows the gasoline usage, the price for diesel (yes it is low sulfur) is lower.
So it seems to be more related to marketing than actual production costs.
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vgabndo
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Here's the Oil Company spin on HR 6
It appears that if their tax breaks were rolled back the sky would fall in. 
http://www.api.org/Newsroom/hr-6-step-backward.cfm
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Paulina
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When I watch a gory/scary movie on t.v. I squint my eyes to make the scene less horrendous. I'm going to try that trick tomorrow when I pull up to the
diesel pump.
This afternoon the low fuel light flashed on so I thought I'd stop on my way home from the barn, but I couldn't force myself to pull into the station
when I saw the price had gone up to $5.25 a gal. 
I remember asking my dad what he was going to do once the price of gasoline went to one dollar. He said, "I'll pay it." I wondered how he could just
give in and do that, and now I know.
I'd like to get a transfer tank on our truck, but I'd also like to have a copy of the customs rules in my hand when I cross back into the U.S. with
the extra fuel.
I'm also wondering how many grocery bags I can hang off of the horn on my saddle.
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stimbo
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Diesel prices
Here's the Chevron station in Lee Vining, California over the Memorial weekend. It seems with the "captive" audience of travelers coming down Tioga
Pass from Yosemite, the service stations feel they can ream the public and charge whatever they please. Can anybody out there top these prices?! The
average cost for diesel fuel in the eastern Sierra is roughly $5.39/gallon. Welcome...
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Paulina
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\"Well behaved women rarely make history.\" Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
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vandenberg
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I remember in some European countries diesel being way cheaper for commercial use ( farm use and trucks ) then for personal use. A color is added and
you better not get caught using it in your personal vehicle. Fine is hefty, and I mean hefty, if you get caught and a second offense will cost you
your vehicle.
I thought that this would be worth looking into in the States before commercial fuel cost has all prices spiralling out of control. A far better way
for our government to help the economy then Dubya's gift packkage.
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Udo
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I don't know if this is the law set by US Customs, Congress or king George, but when I crossed into the US at Tecate a couple of weeks ago, I asked
the customs officer how much extra fuel I was allowed to bring back.
I was emphatically told all I could bring back was my fuel tank plus 5 extra gallons. Not worth the extra room the can would take up in my Prius.
I suppose a pick up with an extra tank in the bed (because one drives very long distances at a stretch) would qualify as an on-board secondary gas
tank.
Udo
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