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bajaguy
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CBS NEWS - Mexican Gasoline
CBS evening news will air a segment on the national news broadcast portion tomorrow regarding the lower price of Mexican gasoline and the many
Americans crossing the border to fill up.
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ckiefer
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Crap, the secret is out!!
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Woooosh
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You burn your savings waiting 2 hours in line at the border to get back.
It works financially if you have a gas/electic hybrid. Under 30mph the electric engine is running- so you don't burn much gas while waiting in line to
get back.
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Bajaboy
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The other story might be how cheaper gas is luring vacationers to Baja. I mean I don't need an excuse but the cheaper gas makes things a bit easier
to rationalize.
Zac
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Frank
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It would take a lot more then 2 hours to burn the savings between $2.25/gallon in Baja and $5.09/gallon in San Diego.
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Woooosh
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Gs may be $2.25 somewhere in Baja, but certainly not near the border.
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Frank
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Im sorry, Diesel is $2.25/gallon
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Chamaco
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There are those who say the Mexican gasoline is better for your car then California gas with the stuff they put in it for emissions. What do you guys
think?
What shall it profit a man if he gains the whole world yet loses his own soul- J.C.
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Bruce R Leech
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Chamaco
There are those who say the Mexican gasoline is better for your car then California gas with the stuff they put in it for emissions. What do you guys
think? |
It kind of makes sence. but who are those that say that?
Bruce R Leech
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David K
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It will be in the trip report, but for this thread this may be of interest:
In the border region (Mexicali) Magna was $2.78/ gal. (7.51/ litre... 10.20: dollar) and in San Felipe it was $2.57/ gal. (6.82/litre... 10.00:
dollar), YESTERDAY.
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Bajajorge
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Sorry, I don't watch CBS national news anymore cuz Dan Rather has been
telling untruths in the news ever since his days in Nam. I like Katy though, it's not her fault that their ratings suck.
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MrBillM
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Buying American Gas south of the Border
MOST, if not ALL, of the gasoline purchased in the border areas of Mexico was refined in the U.S., although I'm pretty sure it wasn't California
blend.
March 08 Mexico Crude oil exports TO the U.S. were 1,214.000 barrels.
For the same period, Mexico Imports of finished petroleum products FROM the U.S. totalled 3,199,000 barrels.
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comitan
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Very surprising info here.
http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/petroleum/data_publicatio...
Strive For The Ideal, But Deal With What\'s Real.
Every day is a new day, better than the day before.(from some song)
Lord, Keep your arm around my shoulder and your hand over my mouth.
“The sincere pursuit of truth requires you to entertain the possibility that everything you believe to be true may in fact be false”
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DENNIS
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Here's another....
http://www.gravmag.com/oil.html
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Woooosh
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I was "importing" a five gallon gascan of US premium gas every few weeks for my dirt bike. My Mexican mechanic told me I was wasting my time- because
the gas here (Pemex Rosarito) is just as good for my bike. Of course it's a 30plus year old Italian motorcycle- so it's used to running on garbage.
lol
I don't think I'd burn anything I didn't trust in a Ferrari, but I won't have to worry about making that choice in this lifetime 
On the more serious side... about 15% of Mexico gasoline is stolen each year. Thieves replace gasoline with anything flamable to bring the volume
back up. If you are uynfortunate to pump that garbage in your tank- all bets are off.
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Photog
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Some observations on my experience with Mexican gas:
I burned up a catalytic converter in the Toyota 4 runner over a 3 year period of extensively traveling the length of the peninsula, this having been
attributed to burning a LOT of Mexican gas. At that time roughly 80% of the mileage on my vehicle had been incurred while traveling in Baja and
purchasing Mexican gas.
A friend of mine is the service director of Toyota of San Diego, where I have my vehicle serviced. He told me, as well as my 2 mechanic friends that
work there, that in 4 year period, the age of my truck at that time, they have never seen a catalytic converter go out on a 4 runner the way mine did.
Many of my friends that travel extensively in Baja, and virtually all of my Mexican friends, have had similar experiences with catalytic converters.
Every one of my Mexican friends, without exception, tells me the gas at many stations in Baja is at times of poor quality. In particular, they have
advised me not to buy Magna Sin.
Also, I have read, but can't find the link, that Mexican octane ratings can be deceptive, i.e., Magna Sin is closer to 83 octane, not the stated 87;
all my Mexican friends recommend that I use the premium grade Mexican gas, as does one of my Toyota of San Diego mechanics, who is Mexican and lives
in Tijuana. BTW, he is a factory certified Toyota mechanic as well as a certified SAE mechanic, probably the best mechanic I have ever met.
It has been reported in the media that Mexican gas is sometimes diluted with any number of contaminants, from used motor oil, diesel fuel, water, and
other substances. Also, the condition of underground holding tanks at gas stations can be abysmal, leading to further contamination. It should be said
that the frequency of these types of issues is unknown.
Pemex does not ship their gasoline via an in-house tanker fleet; they sub-contract gas delivery to stations to independent truckers, which leaves
manipulation of the final delivered product wide open to alteration, as well as contamination from the tanker unit itself.
Also, many Mexican gas stations "short pump", for one reason or another, as has been documented and reported by the Mexican Federal government's own
regulatory agency, and as reported many times here on nomads.
All too often the supposed "savings" obtained doing business or purchasing a product or service in Baja are offset by many other negatives. Many of
these so-called "savings" are nothing more than a chimera.
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rts551
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
On the more serious side... about 15% of Mexico gasoline is stolen each year. Thieves replace gasoline with anything flamable to bring the volume
back up. If you are uynfortunate to pump that garbage in your tank- all bets are off. |
And for source for this fact?
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Photog
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| Quote: | | And for source for this fact? |
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/mexico/20040302-1124-ener...
Information regarding oil and gasoline theft from Pemex is all over the net, and is in fact common knowledge, as well as having been acknowledged by
Pemex and other Mexican governement officials. Try doing a search in any search engine...
And these comments below from 2 other articles:
Pemex Combats Fuel Theft.(cooperative effort with Mexican government)
"Some $12 million per year in fuel theft in Mexico robs the government of revenues and constitutes a "national security problem," Pemex Refining head
Juan Bueno Torio said this week. He announced a cooperative effort by the Finance Ministry, Public Security and Justice Ministries to combat the
theft."
Pemex uncovers fuel theft operation on Rosarito pipeline - Mexico.
(From Business News Americas)
(BNamericas.com) - Mexico's state oil company Pemex has detected a fuel theft operation on its premium fuel pipeline in Rosarito, Baja California
state, Pemex said in a statement. Pemex workers detected the fuel theft in a residential area on a pipeline that connects Rosarito to Mexicali, the
statement said.
The workers recovered 50,000 liters of fuel from the area but there were no spills, the statement said.
Pemex evacuated people living nearby the affected area but the incident did not cause any injuries or damage the environment, the statement said.
According to some local press versions, the pipeline exploded, setting fire to a house and resulting in the evacuation of some 2,000 people.
In 2005, Pemex recovered 7bn pesos (US$654mn) worth of stolen fuel. Pemex previously reported that it detected and shut down seven illegal pipeline
connections in the first two weeks of 2006. - (BNamericas.com)
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comitan
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For info only, my experience. My 1995Toyota Carolla with 134,00 miles 51,000miles in Baja Mexico still has its original cat. Converter. I have been
using Pemex Sin Magna for all the time I've been in Mexico and have not experienced any problems with their Gas.
And this is not a paid commercial!! 
[Edited on 5-28-2008 by comitan]
Strive For The Ideal, But Deal With What\'s Real.
Every day is a new day, better than the day before.(from some song)
Lord, Keep your arm around my shoulder and your hand over my mouth.
“The sincere pursuit of truth requires you to entertain the possibility that everything you believe to be true may in fact be false”
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comitan
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CYPRESS: unwanted & unwarranted go back to the OFF TOPIC1
Strive For The Ideal, But Deal With What\'s Real.
Every day is a new day, better than the day before.(from some song)
Lord, Keep your arm around my shoulder and your hand over my mouth.
“The sincere pursuit of truth requires you to entertain the possibility that everything you believe to be true may in fact be false”
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