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davidre
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Frankly I Am Puzzled
I am pretty new to the Baja Nomad board. I have read many posts and I am saddened to see that some posters have little faith in the Mexican people and
their culture. Perhaps this is because they have spent too little time with ordinary Mexicans, and have have few conversations about their hopes,
dreams and aspirations. Mexico for better or worse is changing rapidly. I have seen more "advances" in the last five years than I have in the last
forty. Like all nations including the United States of America, Mexico is far from perfect. She was caught with her pantalones around her ankles when
big ticket crime overwhelmed a police and justice system that had been relegated to the cellar by people who saw fit to not pay officials enough money
to justify proper outrage when the officials were caught taking mordida. This phenomenon isn't just Mexico's problem, far too many US Customs and
Border Patrol agents have been caught and convicted of smuggling human and narcotic cargo. The average pay and benefits for these people is more than
60K a year so is the practice of accepting bribes because of insufficient pay? You be the judge. Mexico has eliminated the practice of having the
presidente in power point his finger at his successor. Por dedazo has gone the way of the gooney bird. Presidente Felipe Calderon has instituted
sweeping judicial legislation requiring open adjudication with attorneys and accused present to refute charges. Anyone who believes that Mexicans are
insensitive to crime have not been in Mexico when MILLIONS of ciudanos marched to protest inadequate police protection. This is a compelling sign that
Mexicans are sick and tired of the status quo. Gone are the days when Mexicans were basically ignorant of what goes on in the United States. A few
weeks after the Enron scandal Mexicans overwhelmingly applied pressure on the government to quell any thought of privatizing the Comision Federal de
Electricidad. In the municipalidad where I live, the presidente ignored his promises to fix the streets---the electorate recalled him and threw the
entire city hall staff out to the street.
Try and bribe a highway patrolman (Federal de Caminos Y Puentes) and you will find yourself in jail. Astonished Americans and Canadians caught at
federal retenes with firearms, learned that bribes of even thousands of dollars went unheeded but not ignored---additional charges of attempt to bribe
an official were heaped onto the list of charges.
The Mexican Ejercito Y Armada, are not highly trained bloodied combat veterans of foreign conflict. Most foot soldiers are paid about eighty-dollars a
month. How forlorn these kids are when they are required to man an outpost in the pitch black of night far from assistance.
Mexicanos aren't satisfied that their embattled police and military are all-they-can-be. Do not confuse stoicism with satisfaction. Mexicans want
drugs and violence to leave their country the sooner the better.
And just like everywhere else, there are Mexicans that will be hostile toward Americanos until such time as they get to meet one or more and get to
know them. How fortunate we are to have Mexicans as our neighbors to the south.
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redmesa
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I am sorry but DuH????
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Everytime you pay a fine in cash to the federal police you are giving a bribe to that officer. I paid a $50.00 cash fine on June 18th to a fed for
speeding just outside Loreto because he did not want me to go to the station as I requested. Do you think he was kind enough to turn the fine in for
me.. I am curious as to which mexicans lobbied after the enron scandal and whom they lobbied .?Did they travel by bus or call their reps. at their
offices. Come on and get real... Nice post but it does not ring true on a lot of levels.
[Edited on 7-17-2008 by palmeto99]
[Edited on 7-17-2008 by palmeto99]
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redmesa
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you are a guest of a country so it is important that you " go along to get along? as you would in many countries in the world.
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palmeto99
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Quote: | Originally posted by redmesa
you are a guest of a country so it is important that you " go along to get along? as you would in many countries in the world.
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So explain what that means to you if you would.
Thanks
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redmesa
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I can not say enough you are a GUEST! So do whatever!
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palmeto99
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Quote: | Originally posted by redmesa
I can not say enough you are a GUEST! So do whatever! |
What????
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I Think You Are Missing His Point
Ten years living full time in Baja Norte and I have witnessed the change that is the point of the this thread.
I have never been "shaken down" or intimidated to provide a bribe.
My appearance and license plate on my car are visibly gringo, but I always approach people as people, without attitude, and show respect to
representatives of authority.
I've told this story more than once, but I guess it's worth repeating.
Eight years ago, I left my purse on the floor of a restaurant in Puerto Nuevo. It was stuffed with money and credit cards (Christmas time). The next
morning, we returned to the restaurant and my purse was returned to me, in a sealed plastic bag. I wasn't allowed to tip the waiter that served us.
So, we had dinner there later that week, requesting the same waiter, and left a significant tip, along with our thanks.
Baja and Mexico is changing. The old fashioned corruption system on all the levels is being addressed. How quickly and how efficiently is another
subject for debate, but there is a new generation of very proud and well educated professionals who are dedicated to forging a new future.
“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow mindedness.”
—Mark Twain
\"La vida es dura, el corazon es puro, y cantamos hasta la madrugada.” (Life is hard, the heart is pure and we sing until dawn.)
—Kirsty MacColl, Mambo de la Luna
\"Alea iacta est.\"
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redmesa
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Weird but I did not post the response given. " So do whatever"
That is not me.
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redmesa
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Some one is corrupting my comments!
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davidre some of us are Mexican and some are immigrants and some of us have been here a long time
Bruce R Leech
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Quote: | Originally posted by redmesa
I can not say enough you are a GUEST! So do whatever! |
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redmesa
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HUMMM??
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redmesa
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So I am not sure what I am saying? I just wanted to say we are guests in Mexico unless we are immigrants or citizens so whateveranyone thinks or
feels beyond that is mute!
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redmesa
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Compared to the way the U.s.a. deals with unauthorized immigrants and residents ..... need I say more? We would not be allowed into Mexico!
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palmeto99
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Quote: | Originally posted by redmesa
Compared to the way the U.s.a. deals with unauthorized immigrants and residents ..... need I say more? We would not be allowed into Mexico!
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The Mexican government have a zero tolerance on illegal immigration to Mexico.They catch you working without permits and you are gone..Its that
simple. They also make it very hard to be legal to work in Mexico and there is no comparison as to how the US treats illegals in the states. Check out
how they use the Mexican army to stop the migrant workers on the southern Mexican border. I have run several companies in Mexico and the hoops and
graft required are insane. Most people on this board who are on nonworking fm2s and fm3s do not have a clue about how hard the immigration dept is on
working Americans.
It will make for a great topic in the future..
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redmesa
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Lets think how hard is it for a Mexican to do busines in Amerikak?
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Quote: | Originally posted by redmesa
Lets think how hard is it for a Mexican to do busines in Amerikak? |
Plenty of Mexicans doing business here in San Diego. I suppose it can't be that difficult. Plenty of Mexicans living in TJ and crossing the border
to work in San Diego, too. I don't know that many Americans working in TJ. I think it's a bit more difficult for an American to work in Mexico. In
fact, I know it is.
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Quote: | Originally posted by davidre
I am pretty new to the Baja Nomad board.
This is well said, the rest is BS.
[Edited on 7-17-2008 by 805gregg] |
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I think a lot of gringos drag anomocity towards Mexicans south with them. I think that Americans believe that assimilated(if that's possible)
immigrants are loyal and equal in citizen status.
You know , like the old "double menu" ploy used extensively in Baja. It shows a loyalty and double standard.
Could we ever get away with that in the U.S.? Hmm, now I wonder if that ain't happenin' up here with as well with the Mexicans.
Case in point: I see very few Mexicans in America eating in American owned establishments yet they eat out quite a bit.
These same people expect those same Americans to keep their own restaurant coffers full. 
So you see the loyalty(special price) issue extends waaaay past the border. Just don't be some gringo expecting a fair shake, on either side of the
border. 
I smell something fishy..
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