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| Quote: | Originally posted by Oso
| Quote: | Originally posted by palmeto99
Its time all the veterans of this board to start to correct what is posted here that is not true.
Home ownership issues
Lease property issues
Immigration issues
Crime reports that are true
corrupt police
Fido issues
Eijdo property issues
Mexican Citizenship issues.
There are enough people on this board that know when things are being sugercoated and need to step up to call BS on certain issues so that many
newbies do not fall into the same traps many on this board have fallen into.
While life in Baja is great and the lifestyle is wonderful, There are many pitfalls that need to be addressed. I have found it amusing over
the last couple of days how some on this board take offence that some of us lurkers are asking for accountability . There are scams in all aspects of
Baja life and these need to be debated without us being accused of being anti Baja. I have an interest in Baja and want others to be well versed so
there are no more horror stories of people being taken avantage of. Think about what you post and if you have any real info which might help people,
 Post it..
[Edited on 7-18-2008 by palmeto99]
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What he said 
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CaboRon
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| Quote: | Originally posted by lingililingili
I would certainly hope that any person wanting to buy property in Mexico would investigate every angle of their purchase, every downfall and every
advantage to suit their personal needs. I also hope that their is not a soul out there that would buy property in Mexico or any other country based
on faceless opinion, afterall, most of us don't know each other. |
There are realters lurking on this board, in fact some of them post as if they were mensch, but we know what they really are.....
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Osprey
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You want the truth. Lt. Caffey, maybe you can't handle the truth! For every honest Joe Blow who wants an honest, resonable deal on a lot or a
lot/house in Baja I have met scores of reptilian types who would steal a hot stove, go back for the smoke. They won't take any advice from any quarter
unless it involves beating the system, doing everything on the cheap, staying under the radar. If they need an attorney they want the cheapest
attorney. It follows they are the kind who would shop for seconds on parachutes and suture material. It is of utmost importance they not pay one
centavo more than is necessary for every sort of lease, sale or option -- they don't want to be seen as taken advantage of especially by Mexico or
Mexicans. Waiting for them are accountants to set up phoney or quasi corps, notarios operating from jail cells, building engineers who also drive cabs
-- their perfect partners in crime, their alter egos in beating the system. If that's who you're worried about, let it go. Calmate!
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BINGO!
| Quote: | Originally posted by Osprey
You want the truth. Lt. Caffey, maybe you can't handle the truth! For every honest Joe Blow who wants an honest, resonable deal on a lot or a
lot/house in Baja I have met scores of reptilian types who would steal a hot stove, go back for the smoke. Calmate! |
GEESUS. You know these people too? I know who these people are. Also know people who are honest and hardworking who I trust with my money.
Isn't it about relationships?
US Marines: providing enemies of America an opportunity to die for their country since 1775.
What I say before any important decision.
F*ck it.
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rpleger
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Right on Osprey...
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*ABROAD*, adj. At war with savages and idiots. To be a Frenchman abroad is to
be miserable; to be an American abroad is to make others miserable.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajajack
a good old boy's forum, if ya ain't old and ya dont suck up a lot then you're on the s**t list. |
I would have agreed about a month ago. Today, no, just the usual gasbags spouting off because they live full time in Baja and don't have a life.
Those who live in the US, Canada and Baja and have a life, are most capable of posting cogent and most often, helpful items.
�I won\'t insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said.� William F. Buckley, Jr.
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CaboRon
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| Quote: | Originally posted by The Gull
| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajajack
a good old boy's forum, if ya ain't old and ya dont suck up a lot then you're on the s**t list. |
I would have agreed about a month ago. Today, no, just the usual gasbags spouting off because they live full time in Baja and don't have a life.
Those who live in the US, Canada and Baja and have a life, are most capable of posting cogent and most often, helpful items. |
I have got to raise the flag on this one
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Osprey
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Gull, nope, you missed it. I live in Baja full time, I don't have a life but I do often post helpful, cogent posts. I don't call people gasbags even
when I have the chance at broad stroke name calling.
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Oso
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| Quote: | Originally posted by palmeto99
I guess most on this board missed the point on this thread.
Here are two examples of what I was talking about. In the last 3 weeks there were a couple of threads about buying property in Mexico which involved a
palapa sale south of Mulege and a house sale in the north area of Baja. The palapa for sale was on property owned by a known Mexican scam artist and
yet nomads who live right next door were waxing on about buying this lease property and how wonderful this fellow is to do deal with.
The other thread dealt with a large home on leased land that was for sale but needed the lease renewed for the standard 10 years less the day. This
owner could not get the lease extended himself but wanted any new owner to renew it. Flags should have been raised about what a terrible investment
having any home on leased land in Mexico is given the chance of no protection at all if you even manage to get your paperwork trail correct and deal
with a Notario.
We heard instead about how upfront and honest the vendor seemed to be..
Heres a news flash for Nomads. Any leased land in Baja has its history traced back to the days when there was no legal vehicle for owning land in
Mexico. With the fido system and title insurance available many years now, leasing is the best way to throw your money away as well as maybe losing
your investment.
This applies to any Eijdo land purchase which has not gone through all the proper steps. Any land transaction of eijdo land without it going full
circle to the federal government for sign off is not worth the paper any documents are written on..
The best example of this would be in Mulege.
Ask anyone who lives at the Orchard Park who used to lease their property while the owner started selling the lots . There are some people there
who have not had their leases renewed or been told they will have to purchase their homes again. Its also my understanding that the owner there has
also taken large deposits from many people and not started some of these home yet for over 2 years now. SCAM and yet we have nomads on this board
who live there that do not warn others about this.
Another fine example is down the river at the Oasis where friends of mine almost bought a home on leased property. They were told while in Jungle
Jims bar near the park that leasing was the only way to go and this park had a great track record. Nothing was said about the recent hurricane damage
and other problems. No sense bringing that up when a new rube might be brought in. The following Sept.. Huricane John wiped out most of these
homes.
Its the come on in, the waters fine attitude I am talking about here.
Musical chairs at best while the newbies are the ones left holding the bag.
The fishing stories and trip reports are not what I am talking about and we look forward to these reports..
Its about honesty so people can make informed choices while in Mexico. Oh and my friends who were looking at these properties. They bought titled
property with a fido in Loreto for less money..Loreto has its problems with the Loreto Bay project but there is info out on that development
that is warning people to not purchase there.
Lets call a spade a shovel because there are many others on this board that want this |
If you had been that specific to begin with you might not have pi$$ed off some of us.
All my childhood I wanted to be older. Now I\'m older and this chitn sucks.
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The Gull
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Osprey
Gull, nope, you missed it. I live in Baja full time, I don't have a life but I do often post helpful, cogent posts. I don't call people gasbags even
when I have the chance at broad stroke name calling. |
Sorry to read that you have determined that you don't have a life. Perhaps you could get connected with the many full time residents from other
countries who live in Baja and do have a life, to see if you would prefer to have a life.
Just a thought.
�I won\'t insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said.� William F. Buckley, Jr.
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Nope, don't need one. In fact, you couldn't pay me to be the way I am. You couldn't hire me to live like this... and another thing. Don't get me
started. Whoops, blew out a Pamper and I'm all out Tucks. Now I've got to get my fingers on that button and hope my nurse is not out back smokin' and
jokin' when he should be at the beck and call of old gasbags like me.
[Edited on 7-19-2008 by Osprey]
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Sharksbaja
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| Quote: | Originally posted by palmeto99
I guess most on this board missed the point on this thread.
Here are two examples of what I was talking about. In the last 3 weeks there were a couple of threads about buying property in Mexico which involved a
palapa sale south of Mulege and a house sale in the north area of Baja. The palapa for sale was on property owned by a known Mexican scam artist and
yet nomads who live right next door were waxing on about buying this lease property and how wonderful this fellow is to do deal with.
The other thread dealt with a large home on leased land that was for sale but needed the lease renewed for the standard 10 years less the day. This
owner could not get the lease extended himself but wanted any new owner to renew it. Flags should have been raised about what a terrible investment
having any home on leased land in Mexico is given the chance of no protection at all if you even manage to get your paperwork trail correct and deal
with a Notario.
We heard instead about how upfront and honest the vendor seemed to be..
Heres a news flash for Nomads. Any leased land in Baja has its history traced back to the days when there was no legal vehicle for owning land in
Mexico. With the fido system and title insurance available many years now, leasing is the best way to throw your money away as well as maybe losing
your investment.
This applies to any Eijdo land purchase which has not gone through all the proper steps. Any land transaction of eijdo land without it going full
circle to the federal government for sign off is not worth the paper any documents are written on..
The best example of this would be in Mulege.
Ask anyone who lives at the Orchard Park who used to lease their property while the owner started selling the lots . There are some people there
who have not had their leases renewed or been told they will have to purchase their homes again. Its also my understanding that the owner there has
also taken large deposits from many people and not started some of these home yet for over 2 years now. SCAM and yet we have nomads on this board
who live there that do not warn others about this.
Another fine example is down the river at the Oasis where friends of mine almost bought a home on leased property. They were told while in Jungle
Jims bar near the park that leasing was the only way to go and this park had a great track record. Nothing was said about the recent hurricane damage
and other problems. No sense bringing that up when a new rube might be brought in. The following Sept.. Huricane John wiped out most of these
homes.
Its the come on in, the waters fine attitude I am talking about here.
Musical chairs at best while the newbies are the ones left holding the bag.
The fishing stories and trip reports are not what I am talking about and we look forward to these reports..
Its about honesty so people can make informed choices while in Mexico. Oh and my friends who were looking at these properties. They bought titled
property with a fido in Loreto for less money..Loreto has its problems with the Loreto Bay project but there is info out on that development
that is warning people to not purchase there.
Lets call a spade a shovel because there are many others on this board that want this |
Iam intrigued by your amount of ingested gringo gossip and news. While you conjecture you rely on heresay to make grand accusations.
You infer that folks in the Orchard willingly and knowingly passed on personal info that was false thereby validating, qualifying and inviting
perspective buyers/leasees to share in their problems without divulging the problems.
Little do you actually know what happened on a personal level in the Orchard and more importantly, on a group level. So please tell me where exactly
do you live that would make you so privy?
I fear you heard a one-sided continuing diatribe and gossip put forth by a bunch of put-out gringos looking for someone to fix their mess.
What you also don't know are all the specifics. You should not place "leases" into a group caetegory as far as the terms of such an agreement.
We all know(or should know) that like a used car, they can be the subject of negotiation, and similar
"as-is" conditions. A legal (Mex) title holder should have the right to negotiate an agreement. Mexico leaves more room in their approach to "fair
price".
If you don't do yer homework, don't whine later. I've seen what a mob mentality can do
In Mexico that translates to a bunch of spoiled finger pointing expats when something goes wrong and catches them by surprise.
I suggest you take your own advise and stick to a more modern gringo approved town like Loreto, Mulege is a bad place for some ............but not
all.
How's that for truth?
DON\'T SQUINT! Give yer eyes a break!
Try holding down [control] key and toggle the [+ and -] keys
Viva Mulege!
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palmeto99
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Oso
| Quote: | Originally posted by palmeto99
I guess most on this board missed the point on this thread.
Here are two examples of what I was talking about. In the last 3 weeks there were a couple of threads about buying property in Mexico which involved a
palapa sale south of Mulege and a house sale in the north area of Baja. The palapa for sale was on property owned by a known Mexican scam artist and
yet nomads who live right next door were waxing on about buying this lease property and how wonderful this fellow is to do deal with.
The other thread dealt with a large home on leased land that was for sale but needed the lease renewed for the standard 10 years less the day. This
owner could not get the lease extended himself but wanted any new owner to renew it. Flags should have been raised about what a terrible investment
having any home on leased land in Mexico is given the chance of no protection at all if you even manage to get your paperwork trail correct and deal
with a Notario.
We heard instead about how upfront and honest the vendor seemed to be..
Heres a news flash for Nomads. Any leased land in Baja has its history traced back to the days when there was no legal vehicle for owning land in
Mexico. With the fido system and title insurance available many years now, leasing is the best way to throw your money away as well as maybe losing
your investment.
This applies to any Eijdo land purchase which has not gone through all the proper steps. Any land transaction of eijdo land without it going full
circle to the federal government for sign off is not worth the paper any documents are written on..
The best example of this would be in Mulege.
Ask anyone who lives at the Orchard Park who used to lease their property while the owner started selling the lots . There are some people there
who have not had their leases renewed or been told they will have to purchase their homes again. Its also my understanding that the owner there has
also taken large deposits from many people and not started some of these home yet for over 2 years now. SCAM and yet we have nomads on this board
who live there that do not warn others about this.
Another fine example is down the river at the Oasis where friends of mine almost bought a home on leased property. They were told while in Jungle
Jims bar near the park that leasing was the only way to go and this park had a great track record. Nothing was said about the recent hurricane damage
and other problems. No sense bringing that up when a new rube might be brought in. The following Sept.. Huricane John wiped out most of these
homes.
Its the come on in, the waters fine attitude I am talking about here.
Musical chairs at best while the newbies are the ones left holding the bag.
The fishing stories and trip reports are not what I am talking about and we look forward to these reports..
Its about honesty so people can make informed choices while in Mexico. Oh and my friends who were looking at these properties. They bought titled
property with a fido in Loreto for less money..Loreto has its problems with the Loreto Bay project but there is info out on that development
that is warning people to not purchase there.
Lets call a spade a shovel because there are many others on this board that want this |
If you had been that specific to begin with you might not have pi$$ed off some of us. |
I was not trying to pi$$ anyone off nor am I trying to sell anything. I am trying to help as should others on this board.
It looks like that might not be possible judging from some of the responses posted.
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Sharksbaja
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But you want truth..........? So who is and is not being truthful? That my friend is the million dollar question.
DON\'T SQUINT! Give yer eyes a break!
Try holding down [control] key and toggle the [+ and -] keys
Viva Mulege!
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palmeto99
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Sharksbaja
| Quote: | Originally posted by palmeto99
I guess most on this board missed the point on this thread.
Here are two examples of what I was talking about. In the last 3 weeks there were a couple of threads about buying property in Mexico which involved a
palapa sale south of Mulege and a house sale in the north area of Baja. The palapa for sale was on property owned by a known Mexican scam artist and
yet nomads who live right next door were waxing on about buying this lease property and how wonderful this fellow is to do deal with.
The other thread dealt with a large home on leased land that was for sale but needed the lease renewed for the standard 10 years less the day. This
owner could not get the lease extended himself but wanted any new owner to renew it. Flags should have been raised about what a terrible investment
having any home on leased land in Mexico is given the chance of no protection at all if you even manage to get your paperwork trail correct and deal
with a Notario.
We heard instead about how upfront and honest the vendor seemed to be..
Heres a news flash for Nomads. Any leased land in Baja has its history traced back to the days when there was no legal vehicle for owning land in
Mexico. With the fido system and title insurance available many years now, leasing is the best way to throw your money away as well as maybe losing
your investment.
This applies to any Eijdo land purchase which has not gone through all the proper steps. Any land transaction of eijdo land without it going full
circle to the federal government for sign off is not worth the paper any documents are written on..
The best example of this would be in Mulege.
Ask anyone who lives at the Orchard Park who used to lease their property while the owner started selling the lots . There are some people there
who have not had their leases renewed or been told they will have to purchase their homes again. Its also my understanding that the owner there has
also taken large deposits from many people and not started some of these home yet for over 2 years now. SCAM and yet we have nomads on this board
who live there that do not warn others about this.
Another fine example is down the river at the Oasis where friends of mine almost bought a home on leased property. They were told while in Jungle
Jims bar near the park that leasing was the only way to go and this park had a great track record. Nothing was said about the recent hurricane damage
and other problems. No sense bringing that up when a new rube might be brought in. The following Sept.. Huricane John wiped out most of these
homes.
Its the come on in, the waters fine attitude I am talking about here.
Musical chairs at best while the newbies are the ones left holding the bag.
The fishing stories and trip reports are not what I am talking about and we look forward to these reports..
Its about honesty so people can make informed choices while in Mexico. Oh and my friends who were looking at these properties. They bought titled
property with a fido in Loreto for less money..Loreto has its problems with the Loreto Bay project but there is info out on that development
that is warning people to not purchase there.
Lets call a spade a shovel because there are many others on this board that want this |
Iam intrigued by your amount of ingested gringo gossip and news. While you conjecture you rely on heresay to make grand accusations.
You infer that folks in the Orchard willingly and knowingly passed on personal info that was false thereby validating, qualifying and inviting
perspective buyers/leasees to share in their problems without divulging the problems.
Little do you actually know what happened on a personal level in the Orchard and more importantly, on a group level. So please tell me where exactly
do you live that would make you so privy?
I fear you heard a one-sided continuing diatribe and gossip put forth by a bunch of put-out gringos looking for someone to fix their mess.
What you also don't know are all the specifics. You should not place "leases" into a group caetegory as far as the terms of such an agreement.
We all know(or should know) that like a used car, they can be the subject of negotiation, and similar
"as-is" conditions. A legal (Mex) title holder should have the right to negotiate an agreement. Mexico leaves more room in their approach to "fair
price".
If you don't do yer homework, don't whine later. I've seen what a mob mentality can do
In Mexico that translates to a bunch of spoiled finger pointing expats when something goes wrong and catches them by surprise.
I suggest you take your own advise and stick to a more modern gringo approved town like Loreto, Mulege is a bad place for some ............but not
all.
How's that for truth? [/
Leased property on the river huh Sharky. Sorry to have hit a nerve. It is because of my former line of work in Mexico that allows me all this
information on your little Payton Place of the south. If you want more details , let me know... |
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CaboRon
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Palmetto99 you are in Sharksbaja's box again
| Quote: | Originally posted by palmeto99
| Quote: | Originally posted by Sharksbaja
| Quote: | Originally posted by palmeto99
I guess most on this board missed the point on this thread.
Here are two examples of what I was talking about. In the last 3 weeks there were a couple of threads about buying property in Mexico which involved a
palapa sale south of Mulege and a house sale in the north area of Baja. The palapa for sale was on property owned by a known Mexican scam artist and
yet nomads who live right next door were waxing on about buying this lease property and how wonderful this fellow is to do deal with.
The other thread dealt with a large home on leased land that was for sale but needed the lease renewed for the standard 10 years less the day. This
owner could not get the lease extended himself but wanted any new owner to renew it. Flags should have been raised about what a terrible investment
having any home on leased land in Mexico is given the chance of no protection at all if you even manage to get your paperwork trail correct and deal
with a Notario.
We heard instead about how upfront and honest the vendor seemed to be..
Heres a news flash for Nomads. Any leased land in Baja has its history traced back to the days when there was no legal vehicle for owning land in
Mexico. With the fido system and title insurance available many years now, leasing is the best way to throw your money away as well as maybe losing
your investment.
This applies to any Eijdo land purchase which has not gone through all the proper steps. Any land transaction of eijdo land without it going full
circle to the federal government for sign off is not worth the paper any documents are written on..
The best example of this would be in Mulege.
Ask anyone who lives at the Orchard Park who used to lease their property while the owner started selling the lots . There are some people there
who have not had their leases renewed or been told they will have to purchase their homes again. Its also my understanding that the owner there has
also taken large deposits from many people and not started some of these home yet for over 2 years now. SCAM and yet we have nomads on this board
who live there that do not warn others about this.
Another fine example is down the river at the Oasis where friends of mine almost bought a home on leased property. They were told while in Jungle
Jims bar near the park that leasing was the only way to go and this park had a great track record. Nothing was said about the recent hurricane damage
and other problems. No sense bringing that up when a new rube might be brought in. The following Sept.. Huricane John wiped out most of these
homes.
Its the come on in, the waters fine attitude I am talking about here.
Musical chairs at best while the newbies are the ones left holding the bag.
The fishing stories and trip reports are not what I am talking about and we look forward to these reports..
Its about honesty so people can make informed choices while in Mexico. Oh and my friends who were looking at these properties. They bought titled
property with a fido in Loreto for less money..Loreto has its problems with the Loreto Bay project but there is info out on that development
that is warning people to not purchase there.
Lets call a spade a shovel because there are many others on this board that want this |
Iam intrigued by your amount of ingested gringo gossip and news. While you conjecture you rely on heresay to make grand accusations.
You infer that folks in the Orchard willingly and knowingly passed on personal info that was false thereby validating, qualifying and inviting
perspective buyers/leasees to share in their problems without divulging the problems.
Little do you actually know what happened on a personal level in the Orchard and more importantly, on a group level. So please tell me where exactly
do you live that would make you so privy?
I fear you heard a one-sided continuing diatribe and gossip put forth by a bunch of put-out gringos looking for someone to fix their mess.
What you also don't know are all the specifics. You should not place "leases" into a group caetegory as far as the terms of such an agreement.
We all know(or should know) that like a used car, they can be the subject of negotiation, and similar
"as-is" conditions. A legal (Mex) title holder should have the right to negotiate an agreement. Mexico leaves more room in their approach to "fair
price".
If you don't do yer homework, don't whine later. I've seen what a mob mentality can do
In Mexico that translates to a bunch of spoiled finger pointing expats when something goes wrong and catches them by surprise.
I suggest you take your own advise and stick to a more modern gringo approved town like Loreto, Mulege is a bad place for some ............but not
all.
How's that for truth? [/
Leased property on the river huh Sharky. Sorry to have hit a nerve. It is because of my former line of work in Mexico that allows me all this
information on your little Payton Place of the south. If you want more details , let me know... |
[Edited on 7-19-2008 by CaboRon] |
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There are realters lurking on this board, in fact some of them post as if they were mensch, but we know what they really are.....
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Say Ron, are you a MOT?
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Gypsy Jan
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To Quote the Inimitable Jack Nicholson
(Apologies to Osprey, I inadvertently hijacked his metaphor)
From that movie with Tom Cruise and Demi Moore (the name of which I can't remember).
"You want the truth? You can't handle the truth!"
Perhaps that remark also relates to those of us who chose to visit and then criticize another culture without making any effort to learn about it and
its issues and/or get to know and listen to the locals.
Somebody probably has said this before me, so I apologize in advance if I am plagarizing; "Keeping an open mind and heart and then exercising it is
hard work."
Of course, the equally inimitable W.C. Fields would have said, "Open minds and hearts work better when lubricated by copious amounts of gin."
[Edited on 7-19-2008 by Gypsy Jan]
[Edited on 7-20-2008 by Gypsy Jan]
“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow mindedness.”
—Mark Twain
\"La vida es dura, el corazon es puro, y cantamos hasta la madrugada.” (Life is hard, the heart is pure and we sing until dawn.)
—Kirsty MacColl, Mambo de la Luna
\"Alea iacta est.\"
—Julius Caesar
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