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shari
Select Nomad
Posts: 13050
Registered: 3-10-2006
Location: bahia asuncion, baja sur
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Mood: there is no reality except the one contained within us "Herman Hesse"
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WHAT DO YOU THINK OF BAJA?
Lately many posts have preached about what others THINK Nomads feel about Baja...maybe we should ask them personally. So all of you, whether you live
here or just visit, what do you think of Baja....just to set the record straight...do you love it with all it's faults, do you wecome positive
changes(albeit slow ones), do you wish it was more like the states, are you fed up and leaving or afraid to visit?
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Taco de Baja
Super Nomad
Posts: 1913
Registered: 4-14-2004
Location: Behind the Orange Curtain, CA
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Mood: Dreamin' of Baja
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Don't want it to change.
Selfish reasons, I liked it better when it was "undiscovered" and there were less people.
I also dislike the influx of the drug cartels.
Truth generally lies in the coordination of antagonistic opinions
-Herbert Spencer
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Diver
Ultra Nomad
Posts: 4729
Registered: 11-15-2004
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That's a question that needs more than one answer for me.
Some things I would hate to see change at all;
Like the wonderfully friendly, helpful and generous attitude of the people of Bahia Asuncion and other Baja places we have been fortunate enough to
visit.
In other things I would not mind a positive change if done correctly and without detrement to those who live there such as, better water, sewer,
power, phone, health and internet services.
We bought our place in Baja for ownership in a part of our "dream".
It's place we love to be and hope to continue to enjoy despite any differences with things US.
Although we appreciate life in the US, we look for more and better .....
If Baja WAS very much like the US, why would we go ?
Why did we leave our city/suburb upbringings to go west ?
Why do we always look for more to see and learn ?
Why do we travel as often as we can ?
We are Nomads !
All change, good and bad, has its consequences.
Whatever the outcome, I hope nothing changes TOO fast !
Hope that answers your question ! 
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flyfishinPam
Super Nomad
Posts: 1727
Registered: 8-20-2003
Location: Loreto, BCS
Member Is Offline
Mood: gone fishin'
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No vote i don't fit into the options.
my baja-
my office is the marina I see every sunrise
my daughter was born in loreto, we paid the doctor 500 pesos and a case of tecate at the centro de salud
my son was born at home i delivered him myself but the midwife who arrived late charged 600 pesos and a pint of rum
my kids are safe here
i just picked mangoes out in back of my indoor office
everyone in town knows me and my family
on thursday i'll start work at 3am, send out over a dozen boats, go out fishing myeslf and its so good now that i'll be back my noon, deliver frozen
fillets in our freezer to the happy guys leaving on th next flight to LA at 1pm and maybe i'll post a report if i feel like it
i have no boss
we can eat chocolate clams whenever we want
my kids ride the bow of the boat with dolphins regurarly
we can ride in the back of a pickup
we can have an all night party and the police will only come to join us
fish tacos
cactus
critters
lone beaches
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Cypress
Elite Nomad
Posts: 7641
Registered: 3-12-2006
Location: on the bayou
Member Is Offline
Mood: undecided
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flyfishinPam, Baja is one sweet place for all the things you mentioned and a few
others you didn't.
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jorgie
Nomad
Posts: 430
Registered: 8-25-2006
Location: on another road,again
Member Is Offline
Mood: on the road....again,again
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no vote again, change will come buts lets let Mexicans do the changing at the speed they can afford and the type of change they need and desire.
My vote is limited to my country.
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redmesa
Senior Nomad
Posts: 580
Registered: 3-12-2008
Location: Van Isle and Bahia Asuncion
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It is not just Mexico that is changing.
I think the other two nations on this continent are going to have to suck it up as they suffer the changes being wrought by years of corporate greed
and personal indulgence.
Change is the one true constant but I hope it comes gently to us all and not as Mao stated or in the imperialistic way "at the point of a gun".
Or who said "the more things change the more they stay the same"?
I think I have a changing mind.
I do think Juan could be a little more open to Canadian beer.
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tripledigitken
Ultra Nomad
Posts: 4848
Registered: 9-27-2006
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| Quote: | Originally posted by flyfishinPam
No vote i don't fit into the options.
my baja-
my office is the marina I see every sunrise
my daughter was born in loreto, we paid the doctor 500 pesos and a case of tecate at the centro de salud
my son was born at home i delivered him myself but the midwife who arrived late charged 600 pesos and a pint of rum
my kids are safe here
i just picked mangoes out in back of my indoor office
everyone in town knows me and my family
on thursday i'll start work at 3am, send out over a dozen boats, go out fishing myeslf and its so good now that i'll be back my noon, deliver frozen
fillets in our freezer to the happy guys leaving on th next flight to LA at 1pm and maybe i'll post a report if i feel like it
i have no boss
we can eat chocolate clams whenever we want
my kids ride the bow of the boat with dolphins regurarly
we can ride in the back of a pickup
we can have an all night party and the police will only come to join us
fish tacos
cactus
critters
lone beaches
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Pam,
You just put a big smile on my face. Thanks!
Ken
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memo
Banned
Posts: 40
Registered: 6-23-2008
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Phony Poll
Ask yourself these questions.
1. Do we need a computer to take part in your poll?
2. Do we need internet access?
Call me nuts, but I say both of those wonderful creations are the direct result of "Americanization".
Here's another poll suggestion, "Now that we have taken exactly what we want from America, enabling us to offer and take part in this poll, how much
more do we want?"
1. Satellite TV capabilities?
2. Satellite telephone capabilites?
3. Online banking?
4. ATM machines?
5. More tourists taking advantage of wonderful beaches and all those items listed above?
You get my point, I hope. It's all about what we want to take from America and when we have it it's time to draw the line. I'd call that small
minded, petty and hypocritical. Otherwise, a great poll.
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palmeto99
Banned
Posts: 292
Registered: 7-15-2008
Location: loreto,BCS and East Coast USA (Spartanburg, SC)
Member Is Offline
Mood: Trying to bring the worlds people together one post at a time.
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I agree, its a poll for Sherri and her neighbors to make some noise with. More filler for the board. 
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Lee
Ultra Nomad
Posts: 3597
Registered: 10-2-2006
Location: High in the Colorado Rockies
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Baja is the Mexican people. Love them or leave!
| Quote: | Originally posted by memo
Ask yourself these questions. |
Hey shari -- great poll. By the way, I used coconuts attached to string to get my vote counted.
memo? blah blah blah. Can't stop preaching, can you? Why are you here?
(May respond at the memo fatigue thread. This thread isn't about you. Sorry.)
US Marines: providing enemies of America an opportunity to die for their country since 1775.
What I say before any important decision.
F*ck it.
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tripledigitken
Ultra Nomad
Posts: 4848
Registered: 9-27-2006
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| Quote: | Originally posted by palmeto99
I agree, its a poll for Sherri and her neighbors to make some noise with. More filler for the board. |
149 (edit 156) posts in 7 days makes you an authority on filler that's a fact!
Ken
[Edited on 7-22-2008 at 4:50pm by tripledigitken for accuracy in reporting palmeto's post count]
[Edited on 7-22-2008 by tripledigitken]
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Paula
Super Nomad
Posts: 2219
Registered: 1-5-2006
Location: Loreto
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I voted "don't want change". The responses above are all so good that I'm left speechless!
We might do another poll to deal with the second answer, asking which changes would be considered positive.
 I had
only read as far as redmesa's post before I posted! I'd better learn to type/think faster!!
[Edited on 7-22-2008 by Paula]
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shari
Select Nomad
Posts: 13050
Registered: 3-10-2006
Location: bahia asuncion, baja sur
Member Is Offline
Mood: there is no reality except the one contained within us "Herman Hesse"
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Memo: I truly do not understand why you would call my poll phoney...It's my poll and I am truly interested in what Nomads actually think...not what
you SAY they think. Advances in technology are world wide and we are fortunate they have come to baja so I can send my daughter money for college
without having to drive for 3 hours on a bad road (which is improving). I am just interested to see how many Nomads love this place and how many are
getting fed up as you are and how many won't come for fear of violence, corruption etc...I truly want to get a better understanding.
Palmeto: Why is this a poll for me and my neighbours?...who by the way..I don't have any...did I say only my amigos can respond????
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memo
Banned
Posts: 40
Registered: 6-23-2008
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Shari, I am beginning to think you are a real, genuine America hater. You deny the internet, the satellite you use to get there, and the computer you
use are not only American inventions but american property? Why is it so hard for you to accept that America has made your life in Baja much better?
And why is it that you, who last month got your Mexican citizenship, now speak for the Mexican people?
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palmeto99
Banned
Posts: 292
Registered: 7-15-2008
Location: loreto,BCS and East Coast USA (Spartanburg, SC)
Member Is Offline
Mood: Trying to bring the worlds people together one post at a time.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by tripledigitken
| Quote: | Originally posted by palmeto99
I agree, its a poll for Sherri and her neighbors to make some noise with. More filler for the board. |
149 posts in 7 days makes you an authority on filler that's a fact!
Ken |
KEN,
I am trying to get up to your numbers. I am only half a man on this board until I do....
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BajaWarrior
Super Nomad
Posts: 2307
Registered: 9-27-2006
Location: Mission Bay, San Diego. Playa Hermosa, San Felipe.
Member Is Offline
Mood: Anxious to get south
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I voted for welcoming positive change but at the same time I do like it just the way it is (or was).
Our little slice of heaven is a lot differant than most communities in Baja as it is 99% American, not that there is anything wrong with that! We
occasionally go to town (25 miles away), and we do make our beer, gas and taco stops along the way, but like most of my neighbors, we're most
comfortable spending a long weekend in our community.
The fact that we are not full-timers does hinder our ability to blend more with the locals, but that day will just have to wait...
Thanks Shari for the poll. I hope you don't get too beat up by all the sour grapes on this board!
Haven't had a bad trip yet....
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Taco de Baja
Super Nomad
Posts: 1913
Registered: 4-14-2004
Location: Behind the Orange Curtain, CA
Member Is Offline
Mood: Dreamin' of Baja
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| Quote: | Originally posted by memo
Ask yourself these questions.
1. Do we need a computer to take part in your poll?
2. Do we need internet access?
Call me nuts, but I say both of those wonderful creations are the direct result of "Americanization".
Here's another poll suggestion, "Now that we have taken exactly what we want from America, enabling us to offer and take part in this poll, how much
more do we want?"
1. Satellite TV capabilities?
2. Satellite telephone capabilites?
3. Online banking?
4. ATM machines?
5. More tourists taking advantage of wonderful beaches and all those items listed above?
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I go to Baja to get away from all that cr*p
No electricity, and our neighbors are the coyotes, sea gulls, dolphins, seals, and pelicans.
All I need is an ice chest full of beer, a beach, and a fishing pole...3 weeks and counting, Ill be there 
Truth generally lies in the coordination of antagonistic opinions
-Herbert Spencer
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shari
Select Nomad
Posts: 13050
Registered: 3-10-2006
Location: bahia asuncion, baja sur
Member Is Offline
Mood: there is no reality except the one contained within us "Herman Hesse"
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What makes you think I'm a yankee hater? Some of my best friends live in the states...I absolutely LOVE some americans and think it is an amazing
country. I never denied how americans have made our life more comfortable with their genius...thank you americans for making my life so wonderful....I
really appreciate it...sorry I didn't tell you sooner. But there are many things about the USA I don not like as well as with mexico and canada and
lots of other places...so??? so what. PLease take note all NOmads....I DO NOT HATE ALL AMERICANS!!!! and never intended to for anyone to think I
do....forgive me if I gave that impression. It's just that people who aren't from the USA don't always agree with americans on some issues. I am proud
to be Canadian/Mexican....mostly proud that I was brought up to be polite, caring, tolerant and non judgemental...and NOT to be an arrogant,
insulting, know it all person.
I speak from the heart...sometimes for the people who surround me in our home to try to get their ideas across as well as my own in order to provide
another point of view other than the "gringo" opinion.
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ELINVESTIG8R
Select Nomad
Posts: 15882
Registered: 11-20-2007
Location: Southern California
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