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palmeto99
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| Quote: | Originally posted by CaboRon
| Quote: | Originally posted by CortezBlue
| Quote: | Originally posted by palmeto99
Its not a lease. Its ownership held in a bank trust...
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Read it again, that is why I state lease and Fidi. |
You may think a Fidi is ownership .... BUT .... you will NEVER hold title in you hand ..... a Fdi is NOT ownership if you never receive title
..... you just THINK you are in control of what is supposidly your land .....
CaboRon
[Edited on 7-23-2008 by CaboRon] |
Your up rather early Ron. It just happens to be the law of the land and is light years away in terms of protection from these so called leases. It
can be willed to our children and sold and transfered. Its all about protection of ones rights which vaporize pretty fast in any dispute with the
holder of any lease.
Have a blessed day....
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k-rico
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CaboRon's point shouldn't be entirely dismissed. I'm a beneficiary of a Fideicomiso and sometimes wonder if the trust can somehow be changed by
Government or bank action in such a manner where I lose out, in other words not honor the contract. It's a very slim chance I think. The laws have
been changed before, but to the benefit of beneficiaries.
Plus, if a fidei beneficary is really worried about such an event, after several years of FM-3 renewals (I think 5), there's an immigration process
that can be followed after which you can get your name on the title. I'm sure someone will correct me on that if I'm wrong.
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comitan
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K-rico
You are not correct after the FM-2 you get Inmigrado so you don't have to report to Immigration every year, and have most rights of a Mexican Except
Voting and Land ownership. The only way to get your name on the title is full Mexican citizenship.
Strive For The Ideal, But Deal With What\'s Real.
Every day is a new day, better than the day before.(from some song)
Lord, Keep your arm around my shoulder and your hand over my mouth.
“The sincere pursuit of truth requires you to entertain the possibility that everything you believe to be true may in fact be false”
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bonanza bucko
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There is a canyon west of Gonzaga Bay that we call "The Gonzaga Bay National Forest." It gets water from the mountains behind it. It is full of very
large Cardon cactus...some over 60 feet high. There are winter streams running through it and there are many, many desert plants of all kinds....it
is a very, very beautiful place. You can see the ocean from there about five miles away down the hill.
If it were developed with a few golf courses, some hotels and shopping centers it would make Palm Springs look like a dump.
It ain't gonna happen! Good! Yer basic Palm Springs mentality would turn the place into a strip mall in about five years.
In the US we are used to subsidized utilities (at least as they were being built), good roads, clean water, sewers and all the infrastructure that
makes us rich......you can't have a store or a hotel in a place that doesn't have a good road and the support stuff above.........The Mexican
government, and corrupt officials, have ignored this reality for years. If Mexico had our system of subsidized infrastructure and a different legal
system it would be one of the richest countries on earth.....millions of hard working, clean, religious people, natural resources by the batch,
thousand of miles of warm water ports and beaches....on and on.
But it is the way it is....and the way we love it...because of those failings. We go there because we are fed up with greed, dirt, noise and the rush
of modern "society.".....I would trade about five kids from Papa Fernandez's village near us for about 5000 spoiled brats with tattoos and rings in
their noses any day.
I am a little hesitant to say it....but it just may be that the salvation of US society, culture and economy will be illegal and legal immigrants from
Mexico. Newly arrived Mexicans are the just about the only on time, ready to work and trustworthy business people and workers I see around here.
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Cypress
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bonanza bucko, That's telling it like it is!
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shari
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Mood: there is no reality except the one contained within us "Herman Hesse"
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I would like to take the opportunity to present some of the positive changes I have seen in my 20 years here.
The garbage issue IS being addressed...there are new garbage cans everywhere and the highways have been cleaned up and in our village the school kids
do big clean ups as well as a team of "financially challenged citizens" have been hired by government to do clean ups too.
There is now a written test for a drivers license so they are more difficult to get now and police are enforcing the law of having to have a drivers
license. Cars are now required to have plates and be registered.
Men who beat their wives and children are now put in jail and fined!!!!
there is a new tolerance for other religions.
Whole wheat tortillas are now available in stores...there is a rising health awareness and nutrition is improving.
Protection of marine mammals is much better here than in other parts of the world, as well as many reserves have been established to protect wildlife
like the pronghorn antelope.
civil rights are improving, there are now many offices around where you can report offenses.
We have a new fantastic electricity service as well as are getting a new water line in as well improving our quality of life.
Roads are being improved...
So I do see lots of changes happening for the good.
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CortezBlue
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Ron
Some people get it and some people don't. So let me type really slow.
The question is, What would we change in Baja. I would like to see Fee Simple Real Estate Transactions, like what is available in Mexico's interior.
I never said I hold title with a Fidi or a 99,22 or 10 year lease.
PS, my home is paid for in the US and I don't have a title either, I have a deed, but my car has a title.
| Quote: | Originally posted by CaboRon
| Quote: | Originally posted by CortezBlue
| Quote: | Originally posted by palmeto99
Its not a lease. Its ownership held in a bank trust...
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Read it again, that is why I state lease and Fidi. |
You may think a Fidi is ownership .... BUT .... you will NEVER hold title in you hand ..... a Fdi is NOT ownership if you never receive title
..... you just THINK you are in control of what is supposidly your land .....
CaboRon
[Edited on 7-23-2008 by CaboRon] |
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Martyman
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I vote for more protection of the ocean resources. Gill netting and seine trawlers are the big culprit in this degradation. Use sustainable
practices to keep commercial fisherman in business. Educate to see the big picture so that their grandkids could continue to be pescadores.
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k-rico
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| Quote: | Originally posted by comitan
K-rico
You are not correct after the FM-2 you get Inmigrado so you don't have to report to Immigration every year, and have most rights of a Mexican Except
Voting and Land ownership. The only way to get your name on the title is full Mexican citizenship. |
Really! Thanks comitan, I'll dig into it deeper. But as you say you can get title in the restricted zone if you obtain citizenship. I guess the
question is can a person not born in Mexico obtain citizenship? If they can, then they can get title and cancel the fideicomiso?
Sorry folks this is off topic and I'm sure land ownership issues have been beat to death before. Comitan, if you care to, reply using U2U.
[Edited on 7-23-2008 by k-rico]
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k-rico
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My number #1 positive change would be teaching the street musicians to tune their instruments, play in the same key, and turn down the volume. Don't
get me wrong, I'm glad they're there, but IMHO there is certainly room for improvement. 
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woody with a view
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what is the opposite of choice number 2? that'd be my choice.
i know it's selfish, and yes, i am too!
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Pompano
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outlaw CILANTRO, CANNED PEAS, AND COOKED COCONUT...teach lutefisk cookery.
I do what the voices in my tackle box tell me.
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comitan
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Shari is Canadian and she just got citizenship.
Strive For The Ideal, But Deal With What\'s Real.
Every day is a new day, better than the day before.(from some song)
Lord, Keep your arm around my shoulder and your hand over my mouth.
“The sincere pursuit of truth requires you to entertain the possibility that everything you believe to be true may in fact be false”
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bonanza bucko
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There is a canyon west of Gonzaga Bay that we call "The Gonzaga Bay National Forest." It gets water from the mountains behind it. It is full of very
large Cardon cactus...some over 60 feet high. There are winter streams running through it and there are many, many desert plants of all kinds....it
is a very, very beautiful place. You can see the ocean from there about five miles away down the hill.
If it were developed with a few golf courses, some hotels and shopping centers it would make Palm Springs look like a dump.
It ain't gonna happen! Good! Yer basic Palm Springs mentality would turn the place into a strip mall in about five years.
In the US we are used to subsidized utilities (at least as they were being built), good roads, clean water, sewers and all the infrastructure that
makes us rich......you can't have a store or a hotel in a place that doesn't have a good road and the support stuff above.........The Mexican
government, and corrupt officials, have ignored this reality for years. If Mexico had our system of subsidized infrastructure and a different legal
system it would be one of the richest countries on earth.....millions of hard working, clean, religious people, natural resources by the batch,
thousand of miles of warm water ports and beaches....on and on.
But it is the way it is....and the way we love it...because of those failings. We go there because we are fed up with greed, dirt, noise and the rush
of modern "society.".....I would trade about five kids from Papa Fernandez's village near us for about 5000 spoiled brats with tattoos and rings in
their noses any day.
I am a little hesitant to say it....but it just may be that the salvation of US society, culture and economy will be illegal and legal immigrants from
Mexico. Newly arrived Mexicans are the just about the only on time, ready to work and trustworthy business people and workers I see around here.
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comitan
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Morgain7,
Expresses my view completely. No amendments or addendums!!!
Strive For The Ideal, But Deal With What\'s Real.
Every day is a new day, better than the day before.(from some song)
Lord, Keep your arm around my shoulder and your hand over my mouth.
“The sincere pursuit of truth requires you to entertain the possibility that everything you believe to be true may in fact be false”
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DianaT
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Pompano
outlaw CILANTRO, CANNED PEAS, AND COOKED COCONUT...teach lutefisk cookery. |
Any lutefisk cooking, and we are GONE. 
Not sure where I want to vote, but improving the highway is a big one for EVERYONE. So many of the locals have family spread up and down Baja and
travel on that highway; the highway is my least favorite part of being there.
So, for selfish reasons, and to maybe cut down on the number of new crosses that appear along that highway, I may vote for that one.
Also, an improved highway along with other infrastucture could help improve the lives of many.
Good news is that there is quite a bit of work being done on the highway especially not too far below El Rosario---well needed safety improvements.
Diane
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The Gull
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The list was meant to represent POSITIVE change?
�I won\'t insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said.� William F. Buckley, Jr.
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comitan
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Why do we keep going through this, Nothing that this board comes up with is going to change anything, its their country and they will make changes as
fits their need. I think the majority of this should go to the off topic and discus the changes in the country you living in, you are suppose to be
able to makes changes in the USA for sure there needs to be some.
Strive For The Ideal, But Deal With What\'s Real.
Every day is a new day, better than the day before.(from some song)
Lord, Keep your arm around my shoulder and your hand over my mouth.
“The sincere pursuit of truth requires you to entertain the possibility that everything you believe to be true may in fact be false”
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Bajajack
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I for one am all for
positive change, so if any of you Missionary types down there could see your way into introducing the concept of Soap & Water and perhaps a dab of
Deodorant now and then to the natives it would be greatly appreciated.
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palmeto99
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