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[*] posted on 8-18-2008 at 05:13 PM
Doug, thanks for the cleanup


Yesterday there was a bit of a "dust-up" here over a post that I found offensive and profane.
I requested, nicely, that the author might want to clean it up a bit, which got me a load of scorn from several.
Surely that would have been the easy solution, short of that a brief discussion with Doug and the thread was brought into conformity of the rules of the board.
Lately the board has seriously slipped into realms that many of us original folk never thought we would see. Sad to say.
And, even sadder, many of our really quality posting partners have simply checked out.... do a little sleuthing and you will note the good quality folk who are missing.
Let's hope that the negatives and the sniping, and the really low quality of some posting can be eliminated.
Speaking of elimination, am I the only one that is offended by posts which have vivid color renderings of piles of feces?
Is this really something that we want cluttering up our site?
Just wondering....
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[*] posted on 8-18-2008 at 05:42 PM


The focus needs to be on Baja or Baja Nomad members... Baja is the reason people joined this forum and then many of us have made friendships from the association.

With events of the past year and economic slowdown for some, Baja trips have been fewer than in the past... perhaps why less trip reports or stories of interest?

In their place people have been posting 'news stories' that either are quite negative, have nearly nothing to do with Baja travel/ destinations, or are not about Baja at all.

A few of us have been guilty of posting non-Baja photos, but as long as they are of quality and interest or involve Nomads... little harm I hope is done... like sharing an event with a family member... and we all love Ken Bondy's underwater photos no matter what ocean they were taken in!

To keep the Baja interest alive, on my part... I have added stuff to spur interest in Baja's historic past or to encourage travel south with links to my photos of interesting sites.

The important thing is to keep it as positive and happy as possible, I think. Sure, if we personally know of a negative event and want to warn our fellow Nomads... great and thanks! But to post stories about drug cartel crimes in other parts of Mexico... just what is it you want to happen to the people of Baja with that stuff? They benefit from our trips south... will repeated bad news about Mexico help the people of Baja?

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[*] posted on 8-18-2008 at 05:45 PM


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And, even sadder, many of our really quality posting partners have simply checked out.... do a little sleuthing and you will note the good quality folk who are missing.


Well, without doing an exit survey to find out why those quality posting partners checked out, I don't see how you can draw any conclusions as to why they left.

There are a whole gamut of alternative theories, such as maybe they left because every time they came here the lights were on but nobody was home...if you get my drift. Or, they left because they became disillusioned with the Baja myth.

You need to add some empirical evidence to support your claims. Correlation does not imply causality.




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[*] posted on 8-18-2008 at 05:50 PM


We had a thread like this last week. It doesn't get better. Doug eventually locked that one. I say lock this now before there are 10 pages of this. DavidK's post is nice but the other 2 are just more down hill drivel.



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[*] posted on 8-18-2008 at 05:56 PM


You decide that its not okay for them to post images but then you post descriptions? You are a hypocrite. You not only resurrected the post you claimed to be offended by you drag the whole thing out of context. Could you please be more considerate to the original posters ad to others like me who are offended by gross descriptions as much as hypocritical crap?
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[*] posted on 8-18-2008 at 06:01 PM


Ditto Fishbuck, let them take it elsewhere.



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[*] posted on 8-18-2008 at 06:06 PM
Sure, lock it up, delete


everything you personally find offensive, censor every topic. Just feed us what you think we should be reading, the truth doesn't matter as long as it's not offensive to a privileged few.:fire:



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[*] posted on 8-18-2008 at 06:32 PM


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everything you personally find offensive, censor every topic. Just feed us what you think we should be reading, the truth doesn't matter as long as it's not offensive to a privileged few.:fire:


News is News .... and must be posted ... it is neither positive or negative to post the truth.

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[*] posted on 8-18-2008 at 06:50 PM


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Originally posted by Bajajack
everything you personally find offensive, censor every topic. Just feed us what you think we should be reading, the truth doesn't matter as long as it's not offensive to a privileged few.:fire:


News is News .... and must be posted ... it is neither positive or negative to post the truth.

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hehehe, you crack me up. How is life in Pueblo Magico anyway?

Duh, this is not People's Park at Berkeley. It's a message board, run by a private citizen who can decide what he wants and what he doesn't. Just like any newspaper, magazine, TV station, radio station, etc. The owners decide what is said.




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[*] posted on 8-18-2008 at 07:20 PM


I agree, Lets let Doug decide and not some pompous know it all who seems to think she runs the board herself.
The problem with the board these days is that all the old school "original members" have no consideration for any new posters.
I can not stand redundant road reports and plant or critter ID but never say to censure them. Same goes for pictures of anything from dogs to kids to the meal of the week .
I want real info and real reports on the dangers now lurking for Baja and Mexican travel as I drive up and down every month. Those who would shut this info down are fools.
If this offends. Do not read it.

The board is as vibrant and as healthy as its ever been.:cool:




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[*] posted on 8-18-2008 at 07:35 PM


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Originally posted by CaboRon
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Originally posted by Bajajack
everything you personally find offensive, censor every topic. Just feed us what you think we should be reading, the truth doesn't matter as long as it's not offensive to a privileged few.:fire:


News is News .... and must be posted ... it is neither positive or negative to post the truth.
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I could be wrong, Ron, but from my understanding, you are not in America, and freedom of speech is much curtailed all over Mexico. You are living in a different country, and you can't claim righteous Americanism. If you want freedom of speech in Mexico, you'll probably find it at the U.S. Emabassy.
I could be wrong on this one too, but the board appears to be published in Mexico, somewhere in the central time zone. This I presume is so because the board's time clock is one hour later than Pacific Time. Either that, or the time change never took effect on the board's computer. AND, I will humbly stand corrected if told differently by the board's senior members.


hehehe, you crack me up. How is life in Pueblo Magico anyway?

Duh, this is not People's Park at Berkeley. It's a message board, run by a private citizen who can decide what he wants and what he doesn't. Just like any newspaper, magazine, TV station, radio station, etc. The owners decide what is said.




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[*] posted on 8-18-2008 at 07:37 PM


Gee palmeto99, so all you want to have on this board is "real reports and dangers for Baja and Mexican travel'? Surely there is some other board that is more to your liking than this. I'm all for your wanted info, but this board is about all the "other" subjects you seem to have a problem with.,as well.As you said, if you are offended, don't read.In the meantime, we will continue to share our experiences and love for Baja and plants, critters, dogs,and even food,as long as this board shall live!!It's about life in Baja, and it is all that and more.



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[*] posted on 8-18-2008 at 07:47 PM


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Gee palmeto99, so all you want to have on this board is "real reports and dangers for Baja and Mexican travel'? Surely there is some other board that is more to your liking than this. I'm all for your wanted info, but this board is about all the "other" subjects you seem to have a problem with.,as well.As you said, if you are offended, don't read.In the meantime, we will continue to share our experiences and love for Baja and plants, critters, dogs,and even food,as long as this board shall live!!It's about life in Baja, and it is all that and more.


Where did I say that the board should not have the subjects you speak about. Please do not misquote me.:cool:




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[*] posted on 8-18-2008 at 07:49 PM


I have heard LOTS of nomads, new and old comment they are not happy with the direction the board has taken over the last couple months. It is not so much the negative news stories but the flaming insults and personal attacks that follow. Most people just do not want to take the chance of being insulted or attacked and many newer nomads are just plain intimidated by the agressive "newbies".

News is fine, and important as it pertains to baja travel & living. But IMHO all the narco violence news gets old and now if we open up this baja board to ANY mexican news...well it may get overwhelming as some new members are hell bent on only posting only these items.

The sad thing is that these members who are intimidated and have thrown in the towel...they wont post to defend their views for fear of retribution.
Thus we are getting a one sided view of the direction the board has taken...from the news hounds newbies prospective.
For those who wish to keep abreast of all the bad mexican news, I suggest perhaps you subscribe to another forum and get your fill.

Or, if it truly is the wish of the majority of members and the owner...maybe the peace, love and fish tacos needs revising to a new mantra and I'll just go to the beach.

This board is not IMHO as vibrant and healthy as it has ever been and it's sad to see so many nomad amigos retreating.

This comment/observation/opinion is not meant to be pompous and I do not wish to run the board...but am simply providing another prospective and opinion since that is what seems to be happening in this thread.




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[*] posted on 8-18-2008 at 07:54 PM


Please name any members who have quit and turned in their membership in the last few months.
If you are going to make a sweeping comment like you just did,you need to back it up with facts and not just an emotional outburst.
Name the members who have quit.:cool:




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[*] posted on 8-18-2008 at 07:55 PM


Shari - I agree. It's just not much fun (or as useful) anymore



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[*] posted on 8-18-2008 at 07:56 PM


Oh sorry palmeto99, I did misspeak.You said you" could not stand redundant road reports and plant or critter ID.Same goes for dogs to kids to meal of the week" Better? Many people love to hear/read about these subjects that are so very much a part of our lives in Baja.



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[*] posted on 8-18-2008 at 08:09 PM


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I agree, Lets let Doug decide and not some pompous know it all who seems to think she runs the board herself.
The problem with the board these days is that all the old school "original members" have no consideration for any new posters.
I can not stand redundant road reports and plant or critter ID but never say to censure them. Same goes for pictures of anything from dogs to kids to the meal of the week .
I want real info and real reports on the dangers now lurking for Baja and Mexican travel as I drive up and down every month. Those who would shut this info down are fools.
If this offends. Do not read it.

The board is as vibrant and as healthy as its ever been.:cool:




Here is what I said so you can not twist it .
I would also never attempt to censure was the jest of it .
Sally, If you want to get the respect of those you so despise here. Please try to tell the truth.:cool:




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[*] posted on 8-18-2008 at 08:21 PM


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Please name any members who have quit and turned in their membership in the last few months.
If you are going to make a sweeping comment like you just did,you need to back it up with facts and not just an emotional outburst.
Name the members who have quit.:cool:


Unknown to Shari and a few others who tend to deal with their own personal perceptions as if they are realities, there are ways to prove that Shari, and others who agree with her, are dead wrong. There is a little secret place on the internet that gives those who know where to look the real numbers. The activity on the Baja Nomads message board has increased steadily over the past three years. There is absolutely no indication of any dropping off of members or activity. Here are some figures, based upon a snapshot in time:

11/20/2005 - 71.39 posts per day
10/24/2006 - 87.55 posts per day
8/23/2007 - 107.49 posts per day
8/18/2008 - 125.21 posts per day

11/20/2005 - 7.97 replies per thread
10/24/2006 - 8.76 replies per thread
8/23/2007 - 9.92 replies per thread
8/18/2008 - 10.78 replies per thread

As you can see, posting activity has increased 16% over the past year, and 75% over the past 2-3/4 years. I am sure that the board owner can verify these figures, they come from his own records.




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[*] posted on 8-18-2008 at 08:24 PM


Thank you for an informed post and not an emotional outburst.

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