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[*] posted on 8-30-2008 at 07:28 AM
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if there is some reddish/rust coloring on wings then it' a harris hawk, common to that area. if not, could be a misplaced common black hawk usually found along western coats of the mainland..
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[*] posted on 8-30-2008 at 07:29 AM


oops-make that coast, not coats..:biggrin:
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[*] posted on 8-30-2008 at 08:17 AM


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Small point of interest....
I recently spent some time with the woman who manages the vivarium in La Paz.
She said that the Harris Hawk is the only hawk native to Baja.


I've seen quite a few kestrels and chicken hawks.


I think I have seen kestrels in Baja and what I assumed to be red-tailed hawks (which are also called chicken hawks). Can't be sure on I.D. as I'm not real good with birds.

I think that kestrels are actually part of the falcon family - a distinction the vivarium woman likely considered.

I'm not sure about the Harris being the only hawk native to Baja.... just repeating what I learned in 'class'.:yes::?:

Are osprey hawks or eagles?

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[*] posted on 8-30-2008 at 08:46 AM
Correct--


I help raise a "nest of Kestrels " when the nest fell into my back yard. Had to avoid Mom & dad in order to help, but within weeks they hopped up to the top of the fence and were flying with Mom & Dad providing cover !!


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[*] posted on 8-30-2008 at 08:59 AM


So interesting, thanks for the photo sharing.



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[*] posted on 8-30-2008 at 09:30 AM
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" Are Ospreys Hawks or Eagles?" Check out this web-site http://www.thefez.net/osprey/articles/naturalhistory.htm
down at bottom of page it shows the different families of raptors.
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[*] posted on 8-30-2008 at 09:30 AM


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I help raise a "nest of Kestrels " when the nest fell into my back yard. Had to avoid Mom & dad in order to help, but within weeks they hopped up to the top of the fence and were flying with Mom & Dad providing cover !!


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I think that kestrels are actually part of the falcon family


The American Kestrel is a falcon and baja native. They mostly hunt crickets, lizards and small birds like starlings. I have rasied four since finding two abandoned babies two years ago.




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Thank you, Tortuga, for the link. I see that an osprey is a type of falcon.

Woosh and Beercan - how interesting to find/raise those baby kestrels. My neighbor has an American Kestrel, built a big aviary for it in his back yard. I love visiting it. Beautiful bird.

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[*] posted on 8-30-2008 at 10:09 AM


I think kestrels are nest robbers too. I think they eat chicks and/or eggs. I have seen the orioles buzz them, haze them, trying to run them off, away from nesting sites. Since orioles eat nectar I can't imagine another reason for this behavior.
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[*] posted on 8-30-2008 at 10:33 AM


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I think that kestrels are actually part of the falcon family - a distinction the vivarium woman likely considered.

I'm not sure about the Harris being the only hawk native to Baja.... just repeating what I learned in 'class'.:yes::?:

Are osprey hawks or eagles?

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Aren't we splitting hairs? Aren't hawks, eagles and falcons all just a subset of the same order? They're all raptors, right?




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[*] posted on 8-30-2008 at 10:51 AM


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Aren't we splitting hairs? Aren't hawks, eagles and falcons all just a subset of the same order? They're all raptors, right?



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[*] posted on 8-30-2008 at 11:09 AM


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I think kestrels are nest robbers too. I think they eat chicks and/or eggs. I have seen the orioles buzz them, haze them, trying to run them off, away from nesting sites. Since orioles eat nectar I can't imagine another reason for this behavior.


Yes, they eat small birds- even their own offspring. Not sure they can break an egg though- their curved beaks are small and made for tearing, not pecking.

I can never seem to post pictures, although I've followed all the tips. By the time I downsize a 8 megapixel photo to 64K for posting- it's so small you can't really tell what the pic is of. I'd love to post a pic of one of my Kestrels- but can't seem to get it done.




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[*] posted on 8-30-2008 at 12:19 PM


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I think that kestrels are actually part of the falcon family - a distinction the vivarium woman likely considered.

I'm not sure about the Harris being the only hawk native to Baja.... just repeating what I learned in 'class'.:yes::?:

Are osprey hawks or eagles?

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Aren't we splitting hairs? Aren't hawks, eagles and falcons all just a subset of the same order? They're all raptors, right?



The order is falconiformes... the order has various families and the various families each have different types of raptors. Osprey and falcons are from different families.

And btw, I misread the link.... osprey are the same family as eagles and vultures and harriers... falcons and caracaras are from their own family.

Splitting hairs? I guess. I was particularly interested, that's all.

And speaking of hares.... are they the same as jackalopes and lop-eared bunnies?;D

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[*] posted on 8-30-2008 at 12:53 PM


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Originally posted by Dave
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I think that kestrels are actually part of the falcon family - a distinction the vivarium woman likely considered.

I'm not sure about the Harris being the only hawk native to Baja.... just repeating what I learned in 'class'.:yes::?:

Are osprey hawks or eagles?

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Aren't we splitting hairs? Aren't hawks, eagles and falcons all just a subset of the same order? They're all raptors, right?



The order is falconiformes... the order has various families and the various families each have different types of raptors. Osprey and falcons are from different families.

And btw, I misread the link.... osprey are the same family as eagles and vultures and harriers... falcons and caracaras are from their own family.

Splitting hairs? I guess. I was particularly interested, that's all.

And speaking of hares.... are they the same as jackalopes and lop-eared bunnies?;D

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[*] posted on 8-30-2008 at 01:10 PM


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Thank you, Tortuga, for the link. I see that an osprey is a type of falcon.

Woosh and Beercan - how interesting to find/raise those baby kestrels. My neighbor has an American Kestrel, built a big aviary for it in his back yard. I love visiting it. Beautiful bird.

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Once I found out Kestrels were native to urban Rosarito Beach- I couldn't help but try to save them. Only one in five survives the first year in the wild. We have other large birds at the house- but no meat eaters. I joined a yahoo group for kestrel falconers, learned enough to know what I was getting myself in to, and gave it a shot.

We bulit a flight aviary for them and added some nest boxes (hence the young ones). I am training the two offspring (julio and milo) to hunt so I can release them back into the neighborhood. I put a nest box high up on the side of my house in case they decide to stick around. There is no shortage of sparrows here for them. They are beautiful birds to handle and study. They do cost more than my three labs together to care for though.




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[*] posted on 8-30-2008 at 01:26 PM


Easy to identify Eurasian or "Old World" Kestrels in the UK ......it's the only bird that can hover!





I assume American Kestrels hover aswell?



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I have some half decent pictures of an Osprey, taken in Los Barilles in Jan this year.


http://www.baja-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14


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I have added some more bird pictures to the thread above.

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[*] posted on 8-30-2008 at 03:21 PM


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Easy to identify Eurasian or "Old World" Kestrels in the UK ......it's the only bird that can hover!





I assume American Kestrels hover aswell?



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Yes indeed, the North American Kestrel hovers as well. A very unusal flight trait- but handly for a bird that hunts a lot of bugs. It also makes it easy to feed them from the glove- they put their tails down and hover over me in place- then gradually drop down and grab the tidbit (piece of quail).




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[*] posted on 9-1-2008 at 07:14 PM


Another local bird that hovers is a kite. They are larger than a kestrel and almost pure white.

I don't know if I remember right but it seemed to me that kestrels were far more common here in central california only 30 years ago. Common along our open coast - which has remained open. Can't understand why the decline in numbers. Would be interested in a confirmation of my observations and any known cause.
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[*] posted on 9-1-2008 at 10:34 PM


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I don't know if I remember right but it seemed to me that kestrels were far more common here in central california only 30 years ago. Common along our open coast - which has remained open. Can't understand why the decline in numbers. Would be interested in a confirmation of my observations and any known cause.


Another victim of lack of habitat...

"Although kestrels are not an endangered species, their numbers have declined. Habitat loss, and in particular, the loss of nesting sites, is a primary cause. Kestrels cannot excavate their own nest holes; they depend on the holes and cavities created by woodpeckers. For years the wildlife value of dead or partially dead old trees went unrecognized. Dead trees were cut to clear land, for firewood, or simply because they were perceived as ugly or useless. Fewer dead trees meant fewer nest sites and fewer kestrels. Today, across North America, there are many areas with plenty of open space and food for kestrels, but kestrels are absent simply because there are no nest sites."

Put up a few nest boxes!




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