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| Quote: | Originally posted by Hook
Not required in the state I am registered. |
"I'm not going to clean up the air until someone makes me do it" That's the right attitude!
Think about your grandchildren, amigo. Do the right thing for them.
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DENNIS
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Oxxo.....
I think most people here are in compliance with the clean air agenda, at least those that can afford to be. There is a target-rich sector of our
shared border with Mexico and I think a need for activism has your name on it. The Baja plated cars that cross the border into San Diego by the
thousands every day that are not put through the rigors of clean air responsibility. Perhaps you consider this solely an American issue in which case
we should be refering to American air, far cleaner than Mexican air which is exactly the way Mexico wants her air to be. Who but The Ugly American
with the clean air would bring the American way of life to Mexico and expect it to be applied to our host society only because we tend to see our
principles as superior or more healthy? It isn't our judgement to make. Mexico doesn't want you to smog your car. Mexico doesn't want anybody to
smog their car. Someday they may but, not today.
In the meantime, head for the border and throw yourself under the wheels of all those gross polluters who thrive on the double standard that
California offers and have not answered the common question at the gate, "What are you bringing from Mexico," with the honest answer, "Dirty Mexican
air, Seņor."
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oxxo
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
I think most people here are in compliance with the clean air agenda, |
Not the ones on this thread.
| Quote: | | at least those that can afford to be. |
Doing the right thing is always too expensive for some people.
| Quote: | | Who but The Ugly American with the clean air would bring the American way of life to Mexico and expect it to be applied to our host society only
because we tend to see our principles as superior or more healthy? |
Nope, I never said that. We do it because we know it is the right thing to do, for our grandchildren. Someday, Mexico will discover the same thing.
| Quote: | | It isn't our judgement to make. |
Yes it is our judgement. We do it because we know that it improves air quality, regardless of what they do in Mexico.
Just because some Mexicans dump litter alongside the road, does that mean you do it in Mexico too?
| Quote: | | Mexico doesn't want you to smog your car. Mexico doesn't want anybody to smog their car. |
Where did you come up with that? I'd be embarrassed about that statement. Yes, they currently have no laws that require smogging, but they have no
problem if you want to do it vouluntarily. I don't recall anyone at the military checkpoints opening the hood of my car and saying, "you have a smog
device, you must disconnect it."
| Quote: | | Someday they may but, not today. |
So you shouldn't do the right thing until somebody makes you do it? You shouldn't care about your grandchildren until somebody makes you care?
That's the 'ol American spirit! No wonder we have Big Government when people are so unwilling to be proactive and do the right thing, for themselves
and their grandchildren.
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DENNIS
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Oxxo...
Have you ever peeed in a swimming pool?
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bajadock
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Doug, how often do we need to have our Baja Nomad user licenses smog checked?
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by oxxo
| Quote: | | Mexico doesn't want you to smog your car. Mexico doesn't want anybody to smog their car. |
Where did you come up with that? I'd be embarrassed about that statement. |
Believe me. If Mexico wanted people to smog their cars, people would smog their cars. Until that time, Mexico has no regulations in that regard.
Not sure about DF.
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oxxo
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
Believe me. If Mexico wanted people to smog their cars, people would smog their cars. Until that time, Mexico has no regulations in that regard.
Not sure about DF. |
Nobody's debating that point. Americans living in Mexico should do it voluntarily because they know it reduces pollution. We have Big Government in
the US and everywhere because people have to be forced to do the right thing. Wouldn't it be wonderful if people smogged their cars voluntarily?
Think of our grandchildren. Do the right thing voluntarily.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by oxxo
Think of our grandchildren. |
I don't think I have any....not sure. Maybe that's why I'm less than inspired by the suggestion that people should drive their car for 1000 miles
just to be abused by the state of California. Last year, my car passed all smog tests thrown at it. It wasn't a polluter by any means. They
wouldn't pass me until I had a 60 dollar per hour mechanic tell me my "check engine" light was on because it had a faulty oxygen sensor which he
replaced for 150 bucks. Nothing on the emission test was improved. The numbers were already better than good. So, you know what I have to say about
all this bullcrap over-regulation? Yeah....you know.
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oxxo
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
I don't think I have any....not sure. Maybe that's why I'm less than inspired |
Are you so self-centered that you wouldn't care about other people's grandchildren? I know exactly who my grand children are since I have never done
anything that would bring children into the world I didn't know about. I'm sure you were just trying to make a joke.
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Last year, my car passed all smog tests thrown at it. It wasn't a polluter by any means. |
Good for you! I know you will have it done again next year rather than getting SD plates. That's the spirit!
| Quote: | | So, you know what I have to say about all this bullcrap over-regulation? Yeah....you know. |
Well if more people did the right thing, maybe there wouldn't be so much over-regulation (yes, I'm ready for the snide counter arguments). I favor
being responsible and keeping the government out of my life.
Peace, out.
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Vehicles should be produced which are increasingly efficient, that isn't happening nor is it being encouraged fast enough. The Smog check is a scam,
the process creates profits and gov data which has little benefit for the ecology of our environment.
Anyone who is a "gross polluter" knows that, 1) the DMV will give you a new sticker each month if you ask no problem, 2) the "gross polluter"
designation qualifies for funds up to many 100s of dollars for specially designated associations and the DMV to "repair" and allow the vehicle to
pass.
Oxxo, I think your comments are a distraction from the issue of ecology and efficiency. I do not believe that your comments are a serious
representation of conservation of resources in practice effectively while I do believe that you are invested in issues which are distracting and
therefore destructive to the causes we care about.
No ecologist supports your nonsensical punitive attitude, not conservationists like us here, not even the CA DMV which clearly offers an exemption
because of the cost and burden of the Smog check due to circumstances for residents of Baja.
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CaboRon
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| Quote: | Originally posted by gnukid
Vehicles should be produced which are increasingly efficient, that isn't happening nor is it being encouraged fast enough. The Smog check is a scam,
the process creates profits and gov data which has little benefit for the ecology of our environment.
Anyone who is a "gross polluter" knows that, 1) the DMV will give you a new sticker each month if you ask no problem, 2) the "gross polluter"
designation qualifies for funds up to many 100s of dollars for specially designated associations and the DMV to "repair" and allow the vehicle to
pass.
Oxxo, I think your comments are a distraction from the issue of ecology and efficiency. I do not believe that your comments are a serious
representation of conservation of resources in practice effectively while I do believe that you are invested in issues which are distracting and
therefore destructive to the causes we care about.
No ecologist supports your nonsensical punitive attitude, not conservationists like us here, not even the CA DMV which clearly offers an exemption
because of the cost and burden of the Smog check due to circumstances for residents of Baja. |
I think Oxxo needs to check his meds ....
He has been stuck on this for three days now ...
CaboRon
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by oxxo
Are you so self-centered that you wouldn't care about other people's grandchildren? I know exactly who my grand children are since I have never done
anything that would bring children into the world I didn't know about. I'm sure you were just trying to make a joke.
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No. It was no joke. I was a bartender in Newport Beach in the sixties and seventies and banged everything that got in my way. It was the pre-aids
era when Frankenstien could make out in a Newport bar.
You're beginning to sound like you spent way too much time in a Catholic school without reaching your alloted period of scepticism.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by oxxo
I favor being responsible and keeping the government out of my life.
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Oh, please. Tell me somebody jumped on your keyboard while you were in the other room lighting votive candles. You want less government?
BWAAAHAAHAHAAAAAHA
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Dave
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Window dressing
Considering the source, I'll bet Oxxo's grandkids are 100% socially responsible, perfectly behaved little darlings. Just the kind of children we all
love to hate.
Are they available for rent? 
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Hook
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by oxxo
Are you so self-centered that you wouldn't care about other people's grandchildren? I know exactly who my grand children are since I have never done
anything that would bring children into the world I didn't know about. I'm sure you were just trying to make a joke.
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No. It was no joke. I was a bartender in Newport Beach in the sixties and seventies and banged everything that got in my way. It was the pre-aids
era when Frankenstien could make out in a Newport bar.
You're beginning to sound like you spent way too much time in a Catholic school without reaching your alloted period of scepticism.
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Not the Balboa Saloon, by chance? Baer's Lair? Blackie's? Beach Ball?
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oxxo
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| Quote: | Originally posted by gnukid
Vehicles should be produced which are increasingly efficient, that isn't happening nor is it being encouraged fast enough. |
I agree.
| Quote: | | The Smog check is a scam, |
Not true. It has reduced air pollution in the LA basin for example.
| Quote: | | Anyone who is a "gross polluter" knows that, |
I'm not a gross polluter.
| Quote: | | I think your comments are a distraction from the issue of ecology and efficiency. |
No, your comments are a distraction from issue of getting your car smogged every two years, even if you have 100 excuses why it wouldn't be convenient
for you.
| Quote: | | No ecologist supports your nonsensical punitive attitude, not conservationists like us here, |
That is not true, and you know it isn't.
| Quote: | | not even the CA DMV which clearly offers an exemption because of the cost and burden of the Smog check due to circumstances for residents of Baja.
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So why do you need SD plates? The point is, you get your car smogged because it will pollute less, regardless of whether somebody makes you do it or
not. Think of your grand children.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
Are they available for rent? |
Probably so if you don't mind purgeing them of Kiddie-Prozac.
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oxxo
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
Oxxo...
Have you ever peeed in a swimming pool? |
I can see that I wouldn't want you to use my swimming pool.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Hook
Not the Balboa Saloon, by chance? Baer's Lair? Blackie's? Beach Ball? |
Baer's.......Yes. Opened it with Baer. He and I worked together at the Alley West for a long time. Did you know that Mike Stomp is still working
there, whatever it's called now?
Thanks Hook...This thread was screaming for a good hijacking.
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oxxo
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
No. It was no joke. I was a bartender in Newport Beach in the sixties and seventies and banged everything that got in my way. It was the pre-aids
era when Frankenstien could make out in a Newport bar. |
There is no excusing irresponsible behavior. I feel sorry for your offspring. May they have more self esteem than you have.
| Quote: | | You're beginning to sound like you spent way too much time in a Catholic school without reaching your alloted period of scepticism.
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Throwing insults is always a safe harbor.
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