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ELINVESTIG8R
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Anyone and I mean anyone who thinks that the government of the United States of America was somehow involved in bringing down the buildings in New
York on September 11, 2001 instead of terrorist flying commercial aircraft into those buildings are just plain America hating nut-jobs.
GUANTANAMO BAY, Cuba, June 5 -- Khalid Sheik Mohammed, the self-proclaimed mastermind of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, appeared publicly
Thursday for the first time since his capture five years ago and calmly told a U.S. military court that he hopes for a death sentence that will allow
him to die "a martyr."
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Debunked
| Quote: | Originally posted by gnukid
To date not one person has been prosecuted for the extensive crimes of 9/11. Not one person charged? Nothing investigated thoroughly. Those who have
spoken out in the FBI and CIA have been reassigned or disappeared including John Oneil, who was a leading FBI director in NY and investigator into the
plot prior to 9/11 who eventually left the FBI to take a new job, which began on 9/11 in the WTC.
We will prosecute the criminals of 9/11. There is extensive evidence and many researchers, architects, engineers, professors and Federal Enforcements
officers who are still speaking out and leading investigations which prove who, what and how this happened. Look into, do not be afraid, do not back
off from the truth as ugly and horrific as it is. We must know the truth here?
Be calm, use a scientific approach and look at the science behind the attacks, how the buildings fell, how the planes arrived, look at the news
stories, put it all together.
Do a search on Atta, flight shcool, florida, the alleged terrorist leader.
I don't have the answers for you, but I will persist for the victims of 9/11 in the WTC, the emergency responders who died and those are suffering
without support, and the worldwide victims now in the millions of our false terror war. This must end, now, and we will take down the perpetrators of
9/11.
Please look into it today, get involved, be angry and outraged that no one has been prosecuted???
A new movie has come out this week, its just a simple project from a young person, I am not sure about it. Check it out its called fabled enemies.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2144933190875239407...
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Popular Mechanics took the film apart and explained the BS in it on the History channel recently. There will always be those who believe there is a
conspiracy behind everything. One is the Jews were behind it because all the Jews that worked in the Towers were told to stay home. The fuel in the
airplanes couldn't have melted the steel in the building, Rosey O' dummy's favorite. I know, the guy who really knows the truth was shipped off to
some remote island so his kids won't be killed. It goes on and on.
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gnukid
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Whoa I don't what happened? Don't put these assertions on me, I said there have been no prosecutions. I am looking for facts here. I said the
investigations by John Oneil where ignored. I said the NIST theories on the collapse are in question by more than those that agree.
One thing is for sure, we are in this together. We have everything in common as a community We have everything to gain by pursuing the prosecution of
the perpetrators. Anyone here who has read the 911 Commission Report may also have questions about so much left out?
Hey the only thing that is clear is that the official conspiracy theory put out that binladen iis the perp behind the 19 terrorists who organized this
mkaes no sense and has not been proven, in fact the FBI officially states there is no evidence that Bin Laden is responsible and he is not a suspect
today?
The whole is strange, but please, I am not the proponent of the answers, I am left with questions that I have every right, desire to pursue. It makes
no sense that this is unsolved?
There are too many holes in the official conspiracy theory?
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After reading gnukids comments on the 911 theories, I in no way got that he/she actually believed the conspiracy theories, but rather was just sharing
information on the subject. Yet several of you immediately called him/her an unpatriotic whack job who should move to Canada. What the hell is wrong
with you people? Why are you so quick to judge and condemn someone for making some comments that you find irritating? I though we lived in a country
where everyone is entitled to voice their opinion without having to be threatened, ridiculed, and told to leave the country?
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I am curious, are the 9/11 U. S. conspiracy theorists also the individuals that claim that we never made it to the moon and the scenes were merely
shot in a studio??
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Hooker33
I am curious, are the 9/11 U. S. conspiracy theorists also the individuals that claim that we never made it to the moon and the scenes were merely
shot in a studio?? |
In all due respect can we come together here, out of duty to the victims of 9/11, the first responders who died and those injured and suffering
without help, the innocent victims who have died--more than a million iraquis who were killed, many children, the innocent afghanis who have been
killed, the residual depleted uranium is poisoning many more, we have so many veterans who have died and so many horribly disfigured and poisoned not
to mention those who suffer PTSD.
Can we as humans and a community join together to ask ourselves some basic questions and confront our world as horrible as it is to see these things,
this is the world that we have created, this is our responsibility.
C'mon, people, there is no reason to fear the truth, or pursuit of truth. There is no reason to run and hide. Lets all take time today to read a few
more articles about 9/11 and the wars we wage and think about why this is happening, parallels in history, who is at war? Who is waging war on whom?
We are engaged in aggressions based on the 9/11 in Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia, Pakistan, now on the verge of war with Iran and even there is talk of
war with Russia? What has Russia or Iran done to the USA?
None of these countries has attacked us, these are pre-emptive strikes based on what? Words? Terror?
Take time to participate in calm, rationale thought and discussion,lets do it together, read 10-20 articles it takes 10 minutes. Follow some links
previously noted here. Add some. Do not fear the truth, do not fear discussion. The reality is that yes there is evil among us, that there is a war of
words and psychology and we are using more bombs daily than ever before, that even terms such as war have been corrupted.
Lets not attack each other, lets respect each other and the importance here that we evaluate the words, and take ownership of these terms such as war,
terror, peace.
At least be aware, that we have been taken down a path since 9/11 that is devastating to our world, we have poisoned our world with munitions and
looted our finances, why, who profits, who suffers, what evidence do we have of terror?
Take a moment today to watch videos from multiple viewpoints, or read, choose various sources, compare. Whoever you are, there is no reason not to
look at the war we wage closely and to consider why we put our military in the position of killing innocents and at risk of being targeted, millions
are dead, many are women and children, millions are injured, millions more displaced, at the hands of US aggression. Many millions more will suffer
and die from injury.
I really am sad to see some of you turn so quickly to insults of each other, assaults on each other for considering these issues, though these forums
do present a case as examples of the various types of responses to questions.
Lets respect the victims and ask the questions until we get answers.
Each one us has a right and responsibility to demand that the prosecution of the perpetrators of murder of our family and friends on 9/11 and in the
lies. That hasn't happened and until it does, we the families and friends of victims of 9/11 will not rest.
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As he sang the last verse of KUMBAYA
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The Acts of those who Hate America and its Great Freedoms can be determined by their use of Words.
In Gnukids first Post he gave himself away by the use of Charged Words"False Terror War"".
Oh so many years ago I attended a class at Fresno State college where by "Charged Words" were used to excite Fear into the Listener>
Over the years it has been interesting to watch the socalled "Wackos" as they try to get their Points across by the use of these words.
It started with Hitler in Germany and I as a 10 year old boy on that Dirt Farm in Texas remember to this very Day_ FDR and his famous address to the
Citizens of this Great Country when he said"WE HAVE NOTHING TO FEAR BUT FEAR ITS SELF!!}.
What we must realizes is that people like Gnudid are Dangerous, that they are out to destroy by exciting Fear into everyone they can change to their
way of thinking. a good example was the "Ward Churchill" thing in Denver.
An opposite type of speech can be seen by Boone Pickens who is trying with Honest Discussion about Energy and its use in the Future.
He uses Psoitive Words, not Charged Words. He does not use FEAR. to get his Point across.
But to say the least, people like gnudid are all around, keep in mind to give your Children plenty of warning when these types start creating FEAR in
their Lives.
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Please do not deny the right of the victims of 9/11 and their families to have an answer for what happened, through the completed prosecution of those
responsible.
We have a powerful nation and enforcement apparatus. Why hasn't the case been solved?
There is no justifiable reason to deny the victims the right to persecution of the perpetrators whoever they may be.
Its completely outrageous Skeet and Elvinstrom that anyone would deny them that right or accuse those demanding a complete investigation to be
unAmerican. Thats absurd. World leaders, Senate leaders, ex politician are demanding answers, Jesse Vntura, Senator Karen Johnsen, Senator Kucinich,
Andreas Von Bulow of Germany, they all demand answers and an investigation.
I do not agree with their politics but I support the demand.
The only thing unAmerican is denying the rule of law in this case to pursue the criminals. If we have evidence lets put it to trial and complete the
trials? Right?
Do you support the victims rights to an investigation? Skeet?
Would you deny them that right Elvinstrom?
There's been no convictions?
Would you accuse me or anyone as un-American for demanding a complete investigation and trial for Murder?
This is not a time for division and intolerance, it is time to come together and support an investigation which adequately addresses the crimes and
the perpetrators of 9/11 so that we can move forward.
Do not deny the victims their rights to a real investigation which has evidence and prosecutes the criminals.
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Gosh! The whole event/crime/act-of-war was on live TV! The conspiracy crowd that
believes our own govt. did it are lost in La La Land.
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Some of the 9-11 conspirators are being tried in Guantanamo Bay Cuba right now as I write this.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/06...
There are more to be sure and eventually the head cheese Osama Bin Laden will be caught too now that we are doing raids into Pakistan.
As I stated before, anyone and I mean anyone who thinks that the government of the United States of America was somehow involved in bringing down the
buildings in New York on September 11, 2001 instead of terrorist flying commercial aircraft into those buildings are just plain America hating
nut-jobs.
Here is the charge sheet on the five being tried.
http://fl1.findlaw.com/news.findlaw.com/wp/docs/terrorism/us...
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Sorry I am late.
As you were.
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The Sad state of Affairs is that there are many unlearned People out there who will beleive all the "Fear Mongers" and teach their Children this False
Information.
The preceding Post answers the Question of Charges.
Skeet
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Thanks for the sentiment Baja-Brit. It's nice to hear support from abroad!
Ken
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| Quote: | Originally posted by gnukid
Please do not deny the right of the victims of 9/11 and their families to have an answer for what happened, through the completed prosecution of those
responsible.
We have a powerful nation and enforcement apparatus. Why hasn't the case been solved?
There is no justifiable reason to deny the victims the right to persecution of the perpetrators whoever they may be.
Its completely outrageous Skeet and Elvinstrom that anyone would deny them that right or accuse those demanding a complete investigation to be
unAmerican. Thats absurd. World leaders, Senate leaders, ex politician are demanding answers, Jesse Vntura, Senator Karen Johnsen, Senator Kucinich,
Andreas Von Bulow of Germany, they all demand answers and an investigation.
I do not agree with their politics but I support the demand.
The only thing unAmerican is denying the rule of law in this case to pursue the criminals. If we have evidence lets put it to trial and complete the
trials? Right?
Do you support the victims rights to an investigation? Skeet?
Would you deny them that right Elvinstrom?
There's been no convictions?
Would you accuse me or anyone as un-American for demanding a complete investigation and trial for Murder?
This is not a time for division and intolerance, it is time to come together and support an investigation which adequately addresses the crimes and
the perpetrators of 9/11 so that we can move forward.
Do not deny the victims their rights to a real investigation which has evidence and prosecutes the criminals. |
Frankly the only answer that would seem to satisfy the victims and the politicians you talk about is to admit there was a conspiracy. The fact is the
people that hijacked the airplanes were radical muslims using box cutters. They crashed four airplanes, two into the twin towers, one into the
pentagon and one into a field. We know this from cell phone calls from those airplanes. These muslins were part of Osama Bin Laden's group. He himself
has said he was responsible. The person that planned the thing is in custody in Getmo and was part of Bin laden's inner circle. I agree that Iraq was
not part of 9/11 or Bin Ladens group at first but his jehad radicals are there now. The FBI could have done a much better job on going after the
hijackers before it happened and didn't. The CIA could have provided or gathered better intel and didn't. Mistakes were made. The first bombing of the
twin towers in 93 should have been a wake up call. For whatever reason people keep trying to make it into a conspiracy and say it wasn't the terroist
that hijacked the planes. This stuff never ends. Does anyone really understand how many people would have to be involved in a cover up. If Nixon
couldn't do it why would anyone else be able?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by TW
| Quote: | Originally posted by gnukid
Please do not deny the right of the victims of 9/11 and their families to have an answer for what happened, through the completed prosecution of those
responsible.
We have a powerful nation and enforcement apparatus. Why hasn't the case been solved?
There is no justifiable reason to deny the victims the right to persecution of the perpetrators whoever they may be.
Its completely outrageous Skeet and Elvinstrom that anyone would deny them that right or accuse those demanding a complete investigation to be
unAmerican. Thats absurd. World leaders, Senate leaders, ex politician are demanding answers, Jesse Vntura, Senator Karen Johnsen, Senator Kucinich,
Andreas Von Bulow of Germany, they all demand answers and an investigation.
I do not agree with their politics but I support the demand.
The only thing unAmerican is denying the rule of law in this case to pursue the criminals. If we have evidence lets put it to trial and complete the
trials? Right?
Do you support the victims rights to an investigation? Skeet?
Would you deny them that right Elvinstrom?
There's been no convictions?
Would you accuse me or anyone as un-American for demanding a complete investigation and trial for Murder?
This is not a time for division and intolerance, it is time to come together and support an investigation which adequately addresses the crimes and
the perpetrators of 9/11 so that we can move forward.
Do not deny the victims their rights to a real investigation which has evidence and prosecutes the criminals. |
Frankly the only answer that would seem to satisfy the victims and the politicians you talk about is to admit there was a conspiracy. The fact is the
people that hijacked the airplanes were radical muslims using box cutters. They crashed four airplanes, two into the twin towers, one into the
pentagon and one into a field. We know this from cell phone calls from those airplanes. These muslins were part of Osama Bin Laden's group. He himself
has said he was responsible. The person that planned the thing is in custody in Getmo and was part of Bin laden's inner circle. I agree that Iraq was
not part of 9/11 or Bin Ladens group at first but his jehad radicals are there now. The FBI could have done a much better job on going after the
hijackers before it happened and didn't. The CIA could have provided or gathered better intel and didn't. Mistakes were made. The first bombing of the
twin towers in 93 should have been a wake up call. For whatever reason people keep trying to make it into a conspiracy and say it wasn't the terroist
that hijacked the planes. This stuff never ends. Does anyone really understand how many people would have to be involved in a cover up. If Nixon
couldn't do it why would anyone else be able? |
ENUFF SAID!!!!!!
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We were proudly living in Mexico at the time of 9/11. Our youngest son was stationed at Fort Bragg, NC - 82nd Airborne - paratrooper. Our hearts
nearly stopped as we realized this would impact him in a way we never dreamed. And we were right. He went to war, returned safely and now has
probably lived the nightmare much as soldiers from wars past. The cost of freedom nearly took him from us - due to the trauma, etc., that no one
should ever have to face. But he did and it made us that much prouder to be Americans. Freedom is not free. God bless America.
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